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Are "assertive" women hostile to people with Autism?

SDET

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I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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Nope.
 
SDET said:
If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike. Proverbs 27:15
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Okay, I get it.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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Feminists are no more entitled than men who expect that sort of treatment. There are plenty of those.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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Go sit in the corner and suck it up.
 
An assertive man is confident. An assertive woman is entitled.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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Some men pay a lot of money to be called "disobedient" by assertive women...... :prof
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women.
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Oh, you read it. It must be true, then.


These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Or... not.

Contrary to your straw-woman claims, feminists are not going to berate someone who is autistic for... being autistic. Any person (of any gender or political ideology) who is genuinely empathetic, and has emotional intelligence, is probably going to quickly figure out that the person they're dealing with is autistic or has a related issue, and will make allowances for it.


One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience.
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You mean, that non-existent "assertiveness conditioning?" Yeah, I hear that wrecks special education teachers all over the US. :roll:


If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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Or: You have an ideological axe to grind, and are happy to make up all sorts of nonsense about feminists, and use said nonsense to attack them.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
An assertive man is confident. An assertive woman is entitled.
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at work, a strong, driven man is considered to be a go getter / leader. a strong, driven woman is often thought of as a prickly, pushy bitch. there is definitely still a double standard. i suspect that this is changing a bit, and i hope so.

personally, i don't like climbers regardless of sex because i'm repelled by fake. it's possible to get ahead while being a real person, i think.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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As much as it goes against what I've said in the past there are different types of feminists. I think the ones you were talking about are the ones that are insecure and assert entitlements out of insecurity.

There is another group and some of them call themselves feminists but I think they kind of fall in line with most people they believe that men and women should be viewed equally or as equal as we can societally speaking.
 
" A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things."

The symptoms of Autism vary a lot, you can have two totally different people, both on the spectrum, equally high-functioning.
Some autists are "stone blind", some not.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
SDET, are you on the spectrum?
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Yes, and I have found females to be a US version of the "Great Wall of China" of rejection and exclusion until I started learning foreign languages. My "game changer" was when I was age ten and my parents and I crossed the Rio Grande. Somehow all the societal isolation magically disappeared. Even in the office setting, the exclusion seems to disappear with those whose native language is not English.
 
SDET said:
I read all these things that "assertive" women expect, particularly from men, but probably also from other women. These are things like "empathy", "emotional intelligence", knowing what's expected without being told (let alone asked, which implies the option to disagree). A person on the Autistic side of the spectrum would be stone blind to these things. Add in the "assertiveness conditioning" that feminism teaches many women and you have a recipe for disaster. One thing this "assertiveness conditioning" includes is the inclination to retaliate for disobedience. I hear women use the term "catty" when describing this mindset. That tells me that they act this way towards each other. If a woman isn't "assertive", she may need to be defended from other women.

If you read above that I'm implying that feminists are entitled, I'm not implying that. I'm stating it outright. Feminists expect to be obeyed and don't brook disagreement, and thus are rather abusive sorts.
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And assertive men expect sexual favors from women? Seems to be a lot of that coming to light lately. Oh if only we have more labels, "assertive women" must come out of that "Very Conservative" perceptual reality.
 
Fenton Lum said:
And assertive men expect sexual favors from women? Seems to be a lot of that coming to light lately. Oh if only we have more labels, "assertive women" must come out of that "Very Conservative" perceptual reality.
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Assertive men just want to be left alone.

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Helix said:
at work, a strong, driven man is considered to be a go getter / leader. a strong, driven woman is often thought of as a prickly, pushy bitch. there is definitely still a double standard. i suspect that this is changing a bit, and i hope so.

personally, i don't like climbers regardless of sex because i'm repelled by fake. it's possible to get ahead while being a real person, i think.
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I find it odd that you equate strong & driven with fake. Please elaborate.
 
SDET, I am also on the spectrum. Asperger's, specifically. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by assertive women, but I've had my fair share of trouble with the ladies. Most of it stems from my difficulty with approaching strangers in general. I have had two girlfriends to date, both of which have been fairly "active." Although I asked them both out, I wasn't the first to speak to either of them.

One was a feminist, the other was an egalitarian - a Trump supporter, last I heard. Both were fairly focused on their careers as well, with one planning on being a makeup artist in film production & the other on a career path to enter the navy - ROTC cadet in high school. Both were quite opinionated, and more than happy to argue about politics. The last one also

Do those girls sound assertive by your standards?
 
SDET said:
Yes, and I have found females to be a US version of the "Great Wall of China" of rejection and exclusion until I started learning foreign languages. My "game changer" was when I was age ten and my parents and I crossed the Rio Grande. Somehow all the societal isolation magically disappeared. Even in the office setting, the exclusion seems to disappear with those whose native language is not English.
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I'm on the spectrum too but what worked for me might not work for you.
It was psychedelics.
It opened a window for me, a window into better understanding.
This is not a blanket endorsement or recommendation for psychedelics.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I find it odd that you equate strong & driven with fake. Please elaborate.
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that's not what i said. i was pointing out the popular perception.

what i personally don't like is climbers. they're the ones who are mostly about getting promoted and will act in any way necessary to get there. i just don't find many of them to be genuine. even when they ask you about things in your life, you're left wondering if they actually give a **** or if there's an angle. i don't like that.
 
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