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LGBT bullies push pornstar to suicide

Superfly said:
Suicidal people usually have other underlying issues as well. Pretty sure this would have happened to her anyway, and there's a good chance it's been on her mind for a long time. I mean, people who do porn are not at the top of their game anyway.
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Yup. Porn actresses have some of the shortest life expectancies out of any occupation. Suicide and OD are common causes of death. The sex industry is still rife with problems and abuse, and even in cases where someone went into this job out of genuine desire, they often wind up with a lot more problems than they started with, which leads me to...

Jesse Booth said:
The article failed to mention it, but mandatory AIDS screenings are not enforced in the gay porn business like they are in more mainstream porn operations. That's likely a large part of why she didn't want to have sex with someone who'd worked in that scene.
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Yep. Even the studios who claim to enforce testing have been revealed to be lying, in recent years. HIV and herpes outbreaks continue to occur in the porn industry because of it, even in the studios that claim to be adhering to safety standards. Studios don't protect their workers at all, and they don't leave the girls with any choice but to attempt to protect themselves as much as they can.

With the specific demographic issues that occur in pornography, avoiding actors who've done msm scenes is an understandable thing a female porn star may try to do to protect herself (mind you, a lot of msm actors aren't actually gay, or even bi -- msm scenes just pay better for men than msw scenes do).

I get why LGBT activists who know nothing about the working conditions of porn actresses might get their feathers in a ruffle, but frankly, this is a job where actors of either sex who try to insist on condom usage get kicked out and denied work, and studios don't test either at all or as often as they should and then just lie about it. What the hell do they expect them to do? Just roll the wheel?

Getting out of porn is not as easy as people here are implying, either. Once it's on the internet, it's there forever. Someone is going to find it, and in many cases that means losing whatever "normal" job you've managed to acquire and then starting over again. Why do you guys think older porn actresses keep coming back even after vowing to quit? Our culture still stigmatizes sex work, and rejects former sex workers from society. They might as well be felons, in terms of their job opportunities.

All in all, this situation was almost certainly more complex than just homophobia.
 
VanceMack said:
Whats truly pathetic is that if this were a young lesbian harassed in any manner for whatever reason by a heterosexual, these people would be merciless in their expressed hatred towards the bullies.
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They would be all over it to smack a hate crime charge on someone.
 
Superfly said:
How am I victim blaming? She had psychological issues, and as a result, took her own life. She needed help, instead of people sitting around trying to place blame.
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Yet without those pushing her over the edge should would have been ok.
Yet blame her for suicide instead of those that pushed her over the edge.
 
Dragonfly said:
That's not what's going on here, but if that's how you see it then I guess it's up to you to un-see it.
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That is 100% what is going on here.
She refused to do porn shoot with a guy that was known to do gay porn.

The rabid militants came out in force. She obviously couldn't handle the hate being spewed at her.
You should read the article and stop victim blaming.
 
ludin said:
Yet without those pushing her over the edge should would have been ok.
Yet blame her for suicide instead of those that pushed her over the edge.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any knowledge of mental health issues, or suicide whatsoever? Or are you just going tossing stuff at the wall, to see what will stick?

Please educate yourself just a little, and then come back.
 
Superfly said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any knowledge of mental health issues, or suicide whatsoever? Or are you just going tossing stuff at the wall, to see what will stick?

Please educate yourself just a little, and then come back.
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Read the article and educate yourself.
It will help.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Snip.
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I wasn't aware that the studios were lying about enforcing STD screening. Porn stars really do seem to get the short end of the dick in every way.

Question: do cam girls have it any better? I've come across a few who had YouTube channels for videos to discuss non-porn topics, usually let's plays or opinion pieces, and they always seemed to be a bit more put together than I had expected.
 
ludin said:
Read the article and educate yourself.
It will help.
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I did read the article. Did you?

At the very beginning of the article, it said:

The outlet reports that her cause of death is currently unknown, but friends suspect it was a suicide, as Ames was prone to depression.

Depression is a textbook precursor to suicide. Please go read a little more about depression and suicidal tendencies. It might help you.
 
Crovax said:
Literally the headline of the article, which you conveniently left out, "who killed herself after being accused of homophobia for refusing to work with a gay porn star"
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"Conveniently" (and I don't appreciate the insinuation) or otherwise, I didn't "leave out" the headline. I identified the article's source, as I almost always do, and I quoted the first sentence, omitting only the location provided at its end and indicating through ellipses that I'd omitted text. If you don't like how the Daily Mail hyperlinked, take that up with its staff; all I did was paste the link provided.
 
Is it even remotely possible for any adult in this day an age to do porn and NOT know it's a choice that will haunt them for the rest of their life???

Seriously. I mean come on.
 
Dragonfly said:
Yes.

Not saying any form of bullying is right, but anyone, gay, straight, or bi, can turn off social media to save their own life.

This is not the same thing as a kid in school being bullied on social media by her own classmates and peers.
Complete strangers she'd never met (I assume) drove her to suicide?

In a sense it would be like me bullying you here. You don't know me. I don't know you.
You can easily avoid everything to do with me by not logging on here.
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No offense...but I doubt it. This would be national news on npr and jimmy kimmel and everything in between if she were gay. Sad. The porn industry is so very wrong. On so many levels. So is Hollywood in general.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I wasn't aware that the studios were lying about enforcing STD screening. Porn stars really do seem to get the short end of the dick in every way.

Question: do cam girls have it any better? I've come across a few who had YouTube channels for videos to discuss non-porn topics, usually let's plays or opinion pieces, and they always seemed to be a bit more put together than I had expected.
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Cam girls have a lot more ability to enforce their limits and control their work, yes. Most of them are self-employed and mostly do solo work. If they do work with anyone else, it's often their own partner, so a lot fewer unknowns.

That said, there's some cam girl "rings" in the Eastern Bloc that are pretty terrible, but... less of an issue in America at least.

Sex work as a whole still has a lot of problems with the way workers get treated. But at least as a US cam girl, you can just block someone if they start pushing you in a way that feels unsafe.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Cam girls have a lot more ability to enforce their limits and control their work, yes. Most of them are self-employed and mostly do solo work. If they do work with anyone else, it's often their own partner, so a lot fewer unknowns.

That said, there's some cam girl "rings" in the Eastern Bloc that are pretty terrible, but... less of an issue in America at least.

Sex work as a whole still has a lot of problems with the way workers get treated. But at least as a US cam girl, you can just block someone if they start pushing you in a way that feels unsafe.
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Alright. The increased agency being a big factor in stabilizing their life makes sense. Not surprising that the old Soviet states are a bit ****ed.
 
Dragonfly said:
Is it even remotely possible for any adult in this day an age to do porn and NOT know it's a choice that will haunt them for the rest of their life???

Seriously. I mean come on.
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People do some stupid **** when they're desperate. How can anyone start using any recreational drug, join a gang or get a really high-interest student loan when they know it's a decision that could haunt them their entire life?
 
Crovax said:
I would say that is a tough thing to do if you work in an industry that thrives on it
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No offense, but she's a hardy enough soul to deep throat a guy while being ****ed in two separate holes in front of a camera, but can't handle blocking mean girls on the internet?

Something is off about this story.

Did you know that something like 75% of sex workers have a history of sexual abuse? It's a field that attracts unstable and often damaged people like moths to a flame.

I think that blaming her suicide on twitter is a major cop-out and not at all rational.
 
pillars said:
No offense, but she's a hardy enough soul to deep throat a guy while being ****ed in two separate holes in front of a camera, but can't handle blocking mean girls on the internet?

Something is off about this story.

Did you know that something like 75% of sex workers have a history of sexual abuse? It's a field that attracts unstable and often damaged people like moths to a flame.

I think that blaming her suicide on twitter is a major cop-out and not at all rational.
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Careful now. We start agreeing on things you never know what might happen....:mrgreen: :2wave:
 
The one thing centrists can agree on is that we aren't partisan lunatics.
 
I'm getting real tired of the gay community's constant whining every time their precious feelings have been hurt.

She didnt want to sleep with gay or bi-guys, isnt that her right??
 
Jesse Booth said:
Taylor Swift is one of the most famous people in the world, and is famous in an industry where performers might drop one or two albums a year if they're particularly productive. Porn stars have to put a lot of work into maintaining the public eye to avoid slipping into obscurity. It doesn't take very long to fall off in that business.

Even if she weren't in porn, being on social media is simply addictive. People that are perfectly healthy in all other regards can be hooked on the interaction that comes with social media. You've been here for a decade, you've seen people on here self-destruct countless times because they just couldn't leave for any significant amount of time. With something like Twitter or Facebook, where you're plugged into social circles with people you know in real life and where large parts of your social circle communicate with each other, it's exponentially worse - even if you are being harassed by hundreds of people, logging off for weeks on end is close to going into exile from your friends & family for a few weeks. I'm going to assume you haven't grown up with the internet like most Millennials and Gen Z kids, but for us, turning off our social media really does cut us off from a massive segment of our lives.
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Swift strikes me as a mentally stable person. Not everyone is. Depression and social media addiction can be a nasty mix.
 
Desert Storm said:
She didnt want to sleep with gay or bi-guys, isnt that her right??
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She didn't want to "work" with the guy.

Regardless though, yes, you're correct.

Why would she f'n care what some of her fans said?
She should be totally free to pick and chose whoever she wants to work with.
ESPECIALLY in her line of work.
 
Dragonfly said:
She didn't want to "work" with the guy.

Regardless though, yes, you're correct.

Why would she f'n care what some of her fans said?
She should be totally free to pick and chose whoever she wants to work with.
ESPECIALLY in her line of work.
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People are weak, emotionally-vulnerable train wrecks compared to how most of us think about our species. Logically, someone should just be able to turn off their phone. Logically, we shouldn't be distressed by the opinions and words of complete strangers. Unfortunately, humans just don't tend to work on logic. Not as much as we would like to, at any rate.

At the end of the day, arguing that people should just get off of their phones fails for the same reason argument that people should just wait until they're married before they had sex: they just don't do that. I can't blame someone for being addicted to social media. Hell, I was close to getting banned from here because I just couldn't control myself about two years ago, so I definitely can't look down on people like this. But I have naught but contempt for the vile bastards who go on witch hunts and bully someone to the poi5of suicide.
 
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I must not be normal, but to me, blocking my ex-husband on my cell phone was one of the more emotionally satisfying things I've ever done. Blocking people on internet forums is the same way. Imagining that person growing ever more impotently angry while saying the meanest things they can imagine to you, without a response. I could literally visualize my ex having an apoplexy from his inability to get a rise out of me, and it still makes me chuckle just thinking about him screaming ever more loudly into the phone with no response.

People who haven't learned to block emotionally abusive assholes out of their lives have no idea how much emotional satisfaction they are missing.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Swift strikes me as a mentally stable person. Not everyone is. Depression and social media addiction can be a nasty mix.
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You think Taylor Swift is mentally stable? You should read her song lyrics sometime. Half of them are about some guy who dumped her dumb ass.

There is a reason this chick has not been able to sustain a relationship for longer than 6 months. It's that most chicks can pretend to be sane for 6 months, but generally not much longer than that. She is definitely cray cray.
 
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