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How many Genders do you accept?

How many Genders do you Accept?

  • 2 genders

    Votes: 38 88.4%

  • More than 2 genders

    Votes: 5 11.6%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
The good Lord created man and woman, and those whom He tests us with by letting them think they are.
So yeah, 2. Don't like it? Tough bananas.
 
iliveonramen said:
You have anti-discrimination bills, informational pamphlets and point to the NY City law a couple of times. You even go internationally with a news story from the UK. That's pretty slim evidence....
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:lamo

Typical. Show me proof.

OK...so...you showed me proof...but...still...


buh bye.....
 
Marco Montana said:
I feel if I had a dollar for every Gender I would have $2 and a bunch of counterfeits.

Do you feel there are 2 genders or more than 2 genders?
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What are we talkin' about, here?

Sexually? More than 2. Male, female, intersex. I also think trans people with dysphoria fall somewhere in this matrix; their brains are neurologically cross-sex.

Socially? Depends on your philosophical mindset. From my particular mode of thought, only two. Reason being that gender is externally cast (i.e. gender only affects you because of society's judgments of how we treat people who are the gender they've decided you are). I don't think social gender truly exists at all in an objective sense. And honestly, I find it kind of weird that so many people who fundamentally agree with me that the gender binary is oppressive are also claiming that their intrinsic being is changed simply by changing the way they dress, which is entirely shallow, socially relative to culture, and has no actual basis in reality. What goes past weird and borders into depressing is how often this seems to be based on a lack of ability to be self-assured or to cope with stigma (especially true with queer women, in my observation).
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I'm not clear on exactly what a gender is.
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that's because it's a moving Target.

If we're talking about driver's licenses and the Little M or F next to sex well it's synonymous with sex.

However if we are talking about secondary sexual characteristic but it's an artificial societal construct.
 
Marco Montana said:
I feel if I had a dollar for every Gender I would have $2 and a bunch of counterfeits.

Do you feel there are 2 genders or more than 2 genders?
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If we're going with the idea that gender and sex are not synonyms then I would say there are only two genders. Because gender is an expression of sex and there are only two sexes. Even the concept of a third sex is baffling and completely fictitious. So we couldn't even quantify how this third sex would present itself. So there are absolutely no secondary sexual characteristics associated with it or expression associate you with it.

It is a unicorn it does not exist.

Most people that refer to themselves as third genders really just represent a blend of male and female Associated genders.

If it is synonymous with sex and in the case of IDs and birth certificates it is. Then it only takes two people to make a baby no more no less and because sex is how we reproduce and there are no third parties involved in the copulation then there are absolutely two genders
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
What are we talkin' about, here?

Sexually? More than 2. Male, female, intersex. I also think trans people with dysphoria fall somewhere in this matrix; their brains are neurologically cross-sex.

Socially? Depends on your philosophical mindset. From my particular mode of thought, only two. Reason being that gender is externally cast (i.e. gender only affects you because of society's judgments of how we treat people who are the gender they've decided you are). I don't think social gender truly exists at all in an objective sense. And honestly, I find it kind of weird that so many people who fundamentally agree with me that the gender binary is oppressive are also claiming that their intrinsic being is changed simply by changing the way they dress, which is entirely shallow, socially relative to culture, and has no actual basis in reality. What goes past weird and borders into depressing is how often this seems to be based on a lack of ability to be self-assured or to cope with stigma (especially true with queer women, in my observation).
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I'm sorry intersexed is not a gender. It is a birth defect. There are absolutely no secondary sexual characteristics associated with it, and there is absolutely no way of expressing it outside of discussion of chromosomes.

It isn't a sex because they aren't necessary for reproduction.
 
beancounter said:
Are you serious?

Pull down your pants and take a look. That's one of them. Next look at you wife or girlfriend when she'd undressed, that's the second one.
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So you can't. It's fine, I'm not going to discuss something you comment upon but, can't define.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm sorry intersexed is not a gender. It is a birth defect. There are absolutely no secondary sexual characteristics associated with it, and there is absolutely no way of expressing it outside of discussion of chromosomes.

It isn't a sex because they aren't necessary for reproduction.
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Actually plenty of intersex conditions don't have any chromosomal involvement. Some intersex people are also perfectly healthy, and some can and do reproduce naturally. So, there's literally not a single thing you've said here that is actually true.

There is also no characteristic present in all people who are male or female. Not penises, not uteruses, not body hair... nothing. Sex just isn't quite that simple. It's a mosaic we look at and assign physical sex based on what fits best, with all the many signs we are given. In most people, that's pretty straight-forward. In some, it isn't. There are people with non-conforming sexual presentation who are of any sex -- men without testicles, women without vaginas, and intersex people who have one, both, or neither.
 
Marco Montana said:
Hermaphrodites do not walk around calling themselves Man/Girls, they choose a gender and carry forward. Its foolish to base this question on the 0.0003% of the population!
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Hermaphrodites are not the only physical/genetic variation upon sex. They choose the gender they identify as. And there are even a few who select gender flex/fluid. However, while hermaphrodites may only be .0003% of the population, those who identify as other than their physical sex are much greater.

What would be the amount of the population you would consider significant for alternate identies?
 
Marco Montana said:
The species of which that can bare children with a womb, the subsequent would be the species of which that can fertilize it. You can be 1 or the Other.
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Gender transcends species.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Actually plenty of intersex conditions don't have any chromosomal involvement. Some intersex people are also perfectly healthy, and some can and do reproduce naturally. So, there's literally not a single thing you've said here that is actually true.
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I don't knits that this statement countered anything I said.


There is also no characteristic present in all people who are male or female. Not penises, not uteruses, not body hair... nothing.
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So?

Sex just isn't quite that simple. It's a mosaic we look at and assign physical sex based on what fits best, with all the many signs we are given. In most people, that's pretty straight-forward.
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Males produce sperm and females produce eggs. That's pretty straight forward.

In some, it isn't. There are people with non-conforming sexual presentation who are of any sex -- men without testicles, women without vaginas, and intersex people who have one, both, or neither.
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so?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Males produce sperm and females produce eggs. That's pretty straight forward.
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So those who are born unable to produce either are what?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't knits that this statement countered anything I said.


So?

Males produce sperm and females produce eggs. That's pretty straight forward.


so?
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So your strategy is to respond with literal garbled, agrammatic nonsense, and just blowing off all of my points and making zero attempt to answer any of them.

Are you ever in the mood for any intellectual discussion, or is that just not a thing you do?

*sigh* See ya.
 
maquiscat said:
Hermaphrodites are not the only physical/genetic variation upon sex. They choose the gender they identify as. And there are even a few who select gender flex/fluid. However, while hermaphrodites may only be .0003% of the population, those who identify as other than their physical sex are much greater.

What would be the amount of the population you would consider significant for alternate identies?
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None. Someone once told me they are an 11 dimensional spiral galaxy trapped in a 3 dimensional human body. At what point do you recognize mental illness for what it is?
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
So your strategy is to respond with literal garbled, agrammatic nonsense, and just blowing off all of my points and making zero attempt to answer any of them.
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I don't see that your points countered mine. You claimed that generalities are 100%. Um...To me that's stating the obvious. And I don't know how that is an argument or a point That I should address.

Are you ever in the mood for any intellectual discussion, or is that just not a thing you do?
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I'm happy to have an intellectual discussion.

As it is you haven't presented a counter to my point. I don't know what to discuss.

I see that you are irritated that I didn't take up your misrepresentations of my statements, but that's hardly an issue with my intellect.

*sigh* See ya.
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Well if you wish to address my points I'll happily have a discussion with you. I might mispell or misuse a word here and there. I'll try and do better at proof reading. But I'll be here ready.
 
maquiscat said:
Hermaphrodites are not the only physical/genetic variation upon sex.
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So what? A man and a woman don't need a hermaphrodite to make a baby they aren't a third sex.

They choose the gender they identify as.
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They can identify as Napoleon Bonaparte or 15 tons of rubber cement. How a person identifies is completely irrelevant.

And there are even a few who select gender flex/fluid.
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There are people who identify as attack helicopters. Identity is of no relevance.

However, while hermaphrodites may only be .0003% of the population, those who identify as other than their physical sex are much greater.
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Again. Purple cam identify as a pecan tree. It doesn't matter.

What would be the amount of the population you would consider significant for alternate identies?
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People can identify as fire trucks for all I care. For me to consider them as any less than wishful thinking or fantasy, you'd have to show me that these identities equate to am actual sex.
 
Napoleon said:
None. Someone once told me they are an 11 dimensional spiral galaxy trapped in a 3 dimensional human body. At what point do you recognize mental illness for what it is?
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So 50% could identify as something else than the binary or as opposit their physical and it still wouldn't be enough?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Not a third gender or sex
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Well according to the idea that if they produce sperm their male and eggs then female, that would mean producing nothing makes them nothing.
 
iliveonramen said:
Two, but if you want to call yourself smigaborf I don't really care.

In general, I think people need to quit worrying about other people and their personal choices. It makes life a lot easier.
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So true.

I don't care what gender people identify with. I will respect their wishes to address them as whatever they identify with.

Why be a dick about it?
 
William Rea said:
So you can't. It's fine, I'm not going to discuss something you comment upon but, can't define.
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gen·der
ˈjendər/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"
synonyms: sex

There you go, straight from Webster, but he was a white cis gendered male, so he must be wrong. :roll:
 
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