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The Problem of Sex

About 99% in DP don’t know the area so in making my comments about the Festival I chose to state “Lake Dallas” as the location as it was in such close proximity to the lake that it might give people a better understanding of the immediate area.

Just to be clear - you’re still trying to play a gotcha game.

On the east end of the festival field was the backstage/crew complex which was a separately fenced area from the festival grounds. The crew tents were basically 30' x 30' tents, one for serving food and holding meetings and one for a barracks of sorts. The crew camped in the Crew Compound, the area that surrounded the back stage area. Lots of people camped on the festival grounds but no tents or fires were officially allowed, although some fires were going. The free camping mentioned on the festival posters was around the Lake Lewisville area, a short distance away from the main stage.

The big stage show wasn’t the only thing going on. And it was closed at 10:00. Thousands of people would walk back and forth from the main stage to the camping areas around the lake for a variety of reasons. There were several small stages setup in various areas around the lake so that local bands or anyone who wanted to play could. There were tables openly set up by people selling pot, acid, etc. The police bother NOBODY at the main stage or around the lake areas.

I stand by all of my comments - I was at the Festival/Lake camp grounds for 3 days. My points on the “many sexual things going on (around the main stage and lake areas) were without any violent rape incidents. Again, people who get high aren’t rapists - the understand “consent”.

Anything else?

My point was that some people who are high on certain drugs are incapable of giving proper consent.

Glad to see you weren't one of them.
 
If you want clear boundaries and lines for moral behavior, then you will probably do best in conservative Islamic societies: you never get to see any women's faces or bodies; they are covered in a hijab all the time. The parents arrange a proper marriage for you when you are the right age. You get to see the bride's face only on the wedding night. They were shocked at the west's lack of boundaries and permissiveness, even in the 1950s. That kind of control should be our goal too.

Clear boundaries and moral behavior need not involve subjugation of one sex or the other.
 
What the hell is this thread about?
 
At the bottom of the sex problem is the drive to procreate, the natural biological urge that has driven generation after generation of human beings to sustain the species. This is far greater than any ideology can contain. So, what do we do about it? How do we manage it? Currently there is no standard. There is no north star to tell us how we can safely navigate. The traditions that previously provided us with guidelines have been stripped away.

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-problem-of-sex/

Uh, can men and women control themselves and not impose themselves on others without basic consent? As in stages/steps? Even the most basic of mammals have courtship rituals before imposing themselves on the other gender.

It doesnt seem all that complicated to me.
 
Actually it does since thats the definition of a sex offender.

Once again I ask this simple question, what sex crimes has Lewis CK been convicted of?

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No you gave me a Wikipedia article which is not know for its accuracy, I gave you the actual definition and you claimed that it didnt count because you made your own definition

Hey, Cro. Do you have a daughter, a sister or a niece? Would you be ok with them being alone in a room with CK? Remember, he hasn't been formally convicted of a crime in a court of law.

Sometimes you just have to use common sense, bro. Not everything boils down your your precious legal definitions. Get real and move on. You've lost this one.
 
Yeah. In the good old days men would would raise the village, rape the women and move on. Nowadays they're afraid to get into an elevator alone with a woman. That's quite an evolutionary come down in only very few years. ;)

Not me, dude. If you're afraid to be alone with a woman that's on you.
 
Uh, can men and women control themselves and not impose themselves on others without basic consent? As in stages/steps? Even the most basic of mammals have courtship rituals before imposing themselves on the other gender.

It doesnt seem all that complicated to me.

It seems that way until you actually become involved in a relationship.
 
You sound like a person who has never had a sexual encounter.

I'm reminded of the story the ill fated Lewis CK told about a woman he met. During the course of the evening he would get to a certain point with her and she would say "no", only to re-start the whole thing. That would lead to another "no", again and again, and so he finally ended the evening politely.

Later on he asked her what happened. She said, "I just wanted you to go for it. That turns me on."

"Excuse me?"

"I just wanted you to take me down," she insisted. "That's how I get off."

Oh sure, what could go wrong with that?

Lots of confusion and frustration there. It makes one pine for the days of chaperoned dates. At least the boundaries were clear.

That woman will have a hard time "getting off" then, because she does not once communicate her desires to her partner, she just expects them to read her mind.
In my dating life, I learned most women do not like to date a Boy Scout, but also like to be given the opportunity to say NO. This means the man finds them desirable, but stops when told. When they are with someone that does not even given them that opportunity, they have told me they feel he was not attracted to them. Complicated isn't it. That is why dating is an art. However, once in a trusting relationship, they loved it when I was a plundering pirate or just grabbed them out of the blue. A few times I gave her a flourish while she was still talking on the phone to someone. 1 got mad at me, but 3 others thought it was kinda kinky. Like I said, interpersonal relationships are complicated and all depends on the two people.
 
At the bottom of the sex problem is the drive to procreate, the natural biological urge that has driven generation after generation of human beings to sustain the species. This is far greater than any ideology can contain. So, what do we do about it? How do we manage it? Currently there is no standard. There is no north star to tell us how we can safely navigate. The traditions that previously provided us with guidelines have been stripped away.

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-problem-of-sex/

Maybe the problem is lingual. We have connected different things with one word. Sex is the act of procreation in evolutionary terms, while in our society is is mostly used to denote a leasure pastime.
 
You sound like a person who has never had a sexual encounter. I'm reminded of the story the ill fated Lewis CK told about a woman he met. During the course of the evening he would get to a certain point with her and she would say "no", only to re-start the whole thing. That would lead to another "no", again and again, and so he finally ended the evening politely. Later on he asked her what happened. She said, "I just wanted you to go for it. That turns me on." "Excuse me?" "I just wanted you to take me down," she insisted. "That's how I get off." Oh sure, what could go wrong with that? Lots of confusion and frustration there. It makes one pine for the days of chaperoned dates. At least the boundaries were clear.

Actually you sound like someone who has never had a sexual encounter. CK's story is flawed. He is attempting to justify his sexual aggression by blaming women.

I have had a few 'sexual encounters', some with women who like a little kink in their play. Since they are hunting for a man who can get into their kink the female has learned to make her desires known well in advance (who likes wasting their time and shaved va-jay jay on a fizzle???)

Flirtations and silly little comments long before any serious negotiation begins. If a man's response strikes a cord then perhaps dinner and or drinks to define the play. CK's ahhh story sounds more like he preyed on drunk girls at the clubs he performed in and is attempting to justify pushing past the slurred NO... :roll:

If you need a chaperone to date I'd suggest by all means have one. Me, I talk to my potential playmates to see what they are into and if I want to go down that ahhhh rabbit hole... :peace
 
I can't believe you had to post that.

Vancouver's world famous clothing optional "Wreck Beach" has been so for five decades. The most serious problem has been people who eat too many cannabis cookies and fall asleep with the tide coming in.

The police are not welcome and the place pretty much takes care of itself.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=vanc...yM9N_XAhUfS2MKHVYsDeEQsAQINA&biw=1158&bih=628

Right wing Americans only think of sex when they talk about "morals"...I am a believer and both God and I had a long, long and deep laugh at how an entire nation can be provoked into near riots over a half second exposure of a woman's nipple at a Super Bowl...while some of the cigarette and booze ads are ten times provocative. What are you all afraid of?

Now I know what "triggered" means, Sir. You triggered a headache and made me jump a bit when you said "cannabis cookies". I took a small piece of one of the most potent ones at a wedding in August in CA and was wiped out for three days. Not pleasantly wiped out, I mean "mind aware, body non-functional" wiped out. It was a good thing I took off for a week from work. It tasted like dirt, but kicked my ass like a volcano.
 
It seems that way until you actually become involved in a relationship.

Well that's the difference isnt it? :doh

The complications in relationships are many but they rarely involve consent.
 
It used to be 'free love'. That was great. Now we gotta ask, like beggars.



Sure, it's funny but the OP article genuinely appears to confuse sexual liberation with lax enforcement of sex crime laws. It's pretty scary to think someone believes liberation and ignoring sex crimes are the same thing.

it's a shame you fail to realize the difference between the concepts of consent & non-consent as they relate to sexual interactions
 
it's a shame you fail to realize the difference between the concepts of consent & non-consent as they relate to sexual interactions

That's my point.
 
The legal definition is not the only definition. You are ignoring definitions in defense of a sex offender. Why?

Opps...move that goal post nicely...:roll:
 
At the bottom of the sex problem is the drive to procreate, the natural biological urge that has driven generation after generation of human beings to sustain the species. This is far greater than any ideology can contain. So, what do we do about it? How do we manage it? Currently there is no standard. There is no north star to tell us how we can safely navigate. The traditions that previously provided us with guidelines have been stripped away.

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-problem-of-sex/

Sex has always had two major concerns: pregnancy and STD. IMO, those will always put a damper on the party.
 
Opps...move that goal post nicely...:roll:

No, he did. This is not a court. The common phrase in media is "convicted sex offender". I did not claim convicted.
 
Here's the way I look at all this stuff:

I'm sixty-one years old, which means that I hit my prime at the height of the sexual revolution.
I never once felt like I ever had to force myself on anybody, and in fact, doing so was sort of a turnoff because the big "turn-ON" was if that "somebody" had some semblance of desire.
Puberty or not, hormones or not, it was a downer if the other person wasn't up for the fun, and it only exacerbated my youthful and naive misgivings about whether I even "knew what I was doing".
A cold reception felt to me like "I wasn't doing it right".

Did I ever resort to some clumsy forms of youthful manipulation or foolery to elicit a positive response?
Oh HELL yeah, sure I did.
Is that sexual assault? No, if only because more often than not, it didn't work.
On the rare occasions where it did, it was clear that whatever phony nonsense or baloney I had cooked up, the gal decided it was either goofy enough, amusing enough or maybe just an indication that I must have some inspiration, and I guess they thought it was good enough.

Did I ever ply my dates with alcohol or drugs to render them into a vulnerable state?
Nope, I was too much of a lightweight, so I was never a big drinker, and anything else was almost always a mutual activity, so more often than not the both of us might have been a little bit blinkered to some extent.
It wasn't my style to try the knockout punch of booze or some kind of dope to make my date blotto, because I wanted that desire, not a semi-conscious heap lying on the bed who wouldn't be aware or remember. Again, the big turn-OFF was the fact that a gal wasn't "turned-ON".
That would make it feel like "I'm doing it wrong", so it wasn't on my list of techniques, because chicks who are barely conscious don't act like they're anything but barely conscious.

As I grew older, I got all the one-night stands and the like out of my system, and I was seeking more substantial relationships. I can't say if I am an outlier, all I know is, for me, the sexual aspect started to be linked to more than just whether I could snag that gal for a night.
I was now more interested in snagging them long term, and forming a relationship also had the side benefit of making it possible to make the sex more satisfying, and after all, that was what I was after on the sexual side of things.

So, after all the above mumbling and rambling, I come at last to my point:
I realize that for some, they're just seeking an object to have power over, and for THOSE types, that IS their big "turn-on"...the power that they have OVER a woman is what they are after, not the fun of the sexual act itself. It's pretty clear that for the most part, those types of guys don't really give a **** if they know what they're doing in that department because for them it is the conquest and the power that floats their boat.
And that is pretty sad and pathetic.

Good sex is an art form, not a contest to see how many "kills" you rack up on your scoreboard.
It's a gourmet affair, not a competitive eating contest.
 
Here's the way I look at all this stuff:

I'm sixty-one years old, which means that I hit my prime at the height of the sexual revolution.
I never once felt like I ever had to force myself on anybody, and in fact, doing so was sort of a turnoff because the big "turn-ON" was if that "somebody" had some semblance of desire.
Puberty or not, hormones or not, it was a downer if the other person wasn't up for the fun, and it only exacerbated my youthful and naive misgivings about whether I even "knew what I was doing".
A cold reception felt to me like "I wasn't doing it right".

Did I ever resort to some clumsy forms of youthful manipulation or foolery to elicit a positive response?
Oh HELL yeah, sure I did.
Is that sexual assault? No, if only because more often than not, it didn't work.
On the rare occasions where it did, it was clear that whatever phony nonsense or baloney I had cooked up, the gal decided it was either goofy enough, amusing enough or maybe just an indication that I must have some inspiration, and I guess they thought it was good enough.

Did I ever ply my dates with alcohol or drugs to render them into a vulnerable state?
Nope, I was too much of a lightweight, so I was never a big drinker, and anything else was almost always a mutual activity, so more often than not the both of us might have been a little bit blinkered to some extent.
It wasn't my style to try the knockout punch of booze or some kind of dope to make my date blotto, because I wanted that desire, not a semi-conscious heap lying on the bed who wouldn't be aware or remember. Again, the big turn-OFF was the fact that a gal wasn't "turned-ON".
That would make it feel like "I'm doing it wrong", so it wasn't on my list of techniques, because chicks who are barely conscious don't act like they're anything but barely conscious.

As I grew older, I got all the one-night stands and the like out of my system, and I was seeking more substantial relationships. I can't say if I am an outlier, all I know is, for me, the sexual aspect started to be linked to more than just whether I could snag that gal for a night.
I was now more interested in snagging them long term, and forming a relationship also had the side benefit of making it possible to make the sex more satisfying, and after all, that was what I was after on the sexual side of things.

So, after all the above mumbling and rambling, I come at last to my point:
I realize that for some, they're just seeking an object to have power over, and for THOSE types, that IS their big "turn-on"...the power that they have OVER a woman is what they are after, not the fun of the sexual act itself. It's pretty clear that for the most part, those types of guys don't really give a **** if they know what they're doing in that department because for them it is the conquest and the power that floats their boat.
And that is pretty sad and pathetic.

Good sex is an art form, not a contest to see how many "kills" you rack up on your scoreboard.
It's a gourmet affair, not a competitive eating contest.


You sir are out of date, force stopped having anything to do with the definition of sexual assault 30 years ago according to the deciders.

Also dont knock playing with power in sex until you have tried it, as I proclaim it to be excellent.

I say though that I practice exemplary consent.

Most of the Feminists want me jailed.
 
You sound like a person who has never had a sexual encounter.

I'm reminded of the story the ill fated Lewis CK told about a woman he met. During the course of the evening he would get to a certain point with her and she would say "no", only to re-start the whole thing. That would lead to another "no", again and again, and so he finally ended the evening politely.

Later on he asked her what happened. She said, "I just wanted you to go for it. That turns me on."

"Excuse me?"

"I just wanted you to take me down," she insisted. "That's how I get off."

Oh sure, what could go wrong with that?

Lots of confusion and frustration there. It makes one pine for the days of chaperoned dates. At least the boundaries were clear.

Sounds like you're the one who is frustrated and unable to read social cues.
 
Al Franken = political setup. No assault occurred.
Aziz Ansari = date gone the wrong way. Oral, followed by Netflix. No assault occurred.

Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, Woody Allen, Donald Trump - Sexual assault and/or harassment.

Louis CK - Sexual harassment

I can't help it that some people can't distinguish between two unlike things.
If it's a moral panic right now, follow the people promoting the moral panic and look at their personal lives.

But even all that aside, anyone can tell the difference between assault, harassment and just the normal dynamics of sex.

And no, I am not talking about Trump's paying for prostitutes or boinking porn stars.
 
At the bottom of the sex problem is the drive to procreate

Yeah, that is why so many women, who also have a drive to procreate, frequently harrass and even rape men

There is no north star to tell us how we can safely navigate. The traditions that previously provided us with guidelines have been stripped away.

Does this mean that you are one of those people who do not know what sexual assault and sexual harrasment are?
 
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