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Why is Donald Trump homophobic?

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Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
 
It's because Trump came out of literally nowhere to attempt to kick out and ban Transgender troops from the military. Along with the fact that Trump aligns himself with people who are staunchly anti-LGBT like Mike Pence without once ever demanding people like Pence to change their views. This is Trump, he will change his tune to whoever he's in a room with so how he truly feels about the LGBT community is a mystery but his out of nowhere tweets trying to give people far braver than him the boot from military service was an absolutely scummy, bigoted thing to do.
 
CMPancake said:
It's because Trump came out of literally nowhere to attempt to kick out and ban Transgender troops from the military. Along with the fact that Trump aligns himself with people who are staunchly anti-LGBT like Mike Pence without once ever demanding people like Pence to change their views. This is Trump, he will change his tune to whoever he's in a room with so how he truly feels about the LGBT community is a mystery but his out of nowhere tweets trying to give people far braver than him the boot from military service was an absolutely scummy, bigoted thing to do.
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Trump sided against the North Carolina law, and bragged on the GOP convention floor about how much he supported gay rights. He mocks Pence for his beliefs.

He is what he's always been when it came to sexual questions: a libertine liberal.
 
CMPancake said:
It's because Trump came out of literally nowhere to attempt to kick out and ban Transgender troops from the military. Along with the fact that Trump aligns himself with people who are staunchly anti-LGBT like Mike Pence without once ever demanding people like Pence to change their views. This is Trump, he will change his tune to whoever he's in a room with so how he truly feels about the LGBT community is a mystery but his out of nowhere tweets trying to give people far braver than him the boot from military service was an absolutely scummy, bigoted thing to do.
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It isn’t surprising that there would be a large contingent of men who would have a problem with transgenders, gays and lesbians in the military. If you don’t understand that, it is only because you think you live in Utopia.

When do people have the right to beliefs that disagree with yours? Ever?
 
I think his choice of Pence was probably the biggest thing that made people think he was homophobic. I personally think one of the only positives about Trump is that he doesn't seem to care about that stuff.
 
MaggieD said:
It isn’t surprising that there would be a large contingent of men who would have a problem with transgenders, gays and lesbians in the military. If you don’t understand that, it is only because you think you live in Utopia.

When do people have the right to beliefs that disagree with yours? Ever?
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I don't know. A thousand dudes in camo sundresses charging over a hill might be disconcerting to the enemy. Whatever works.

A Celtic Cult of Nudity
Towards the end of the 3rd century BC, an attempt was made by a coalition of Celtic tribes from Cisalpine Gaul (the part of northern Italy inhabited by the Gauls) to attack the Roman Republic. This coalition included the Insubres, the Boii and the Taurisci. One of the decisive battles during this war was the Battle of Telamon, which was fought in 225 BC. From Polybius’ account of this battle, we hear about a ‘tribe’ of Celtic warriors known as the Gaesatae, whom the ancient author describes as having the habit of fighting naked.

To me it seems distracting to the overall tactical effort but I prefer practical results over style and flash. We have lost that in a lot of places.
 
akyron said:
I don't know. A thousand dudes in camo sundresses charging over a hill might be disconcerting to the enemy. Whatever works.

A Celtic Cult of Nudity
Towards the end of the 3rd century BC, an attempt was made by a coalition of Celtic tribes from Cisalpine Gaul (the part of northern Italy inhabited by the Gauls) to attack the Roman Republic. This coalition included the Insubres, the Boii and the Taurisci. One of the decisive battles during this war was the Battle of Telamon, which was fought in 225 BC. From Polybius’ account of this battle, we hear about a ‘tribe’ of Celtic warriors known as the Gaesatae, whom the ancient author describes as having the habit of fighting naked.

To me it seems distracting to the overall tactical effort but I prefer practical results over style and flash. We have lost that in a lot of places.
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Does give the enemy a handle, though.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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... because he's aligned himself with the religious right.

For example, the "religious freedom" guidance issued by Sessions supports discrimination against homosexuals.

He picked Pence as his running mate.

He supports homophobes like Roy Moore.

What you seem to be suggesting is that once homosexuals have the right to marry, no other rights matter. That's not true, he's just "going with the flow" on the big wedge issue. It's a transparent political maneuver that is clearly reversed on policy that he actually affects.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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I don't think he is, personally. I think he is just completely without principles, or any ethical core. He'll support anything and anyone that strokes his ego.

Homophobes and transphobes stroke his ego, so he gets behind their cause: trying to ban transgender troops, bringing in staunchly anti-gay cabinet members, etc.
 
cpwill said:
Trump sided against the North Carolina law, and bragged on the GOP convention floor about how much he supported gay rights. He mocks Pence for his beliefs.

He is what he's always been when it came to sexual questions: a libertine liberal.
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Lip service is all well and good. Trump can, and has said a multitude of things and has failed to follow through with them. He can wave a gay pride flag as much as he likes, but when he removes Obama-era protections for LGBT students, attacks LGBT troops, and having Jeff Sessions file out directives to make it open season to allow discrimination against the LGBT community.

MaggieD said:
It isn’t surprising that there would be a large contingent of men who would have a problem with transgenders, gays and lesbians in the military. If you don’t understand that, it is only because you think you live in Utopia.
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Well then the people who do not feel comfortable with a member of the LGBT community serving in the military they should enlist and put on their boots. Until then, they should be thankful that their bigoted opinions are being protected by those scary LGBTs they fear so much.

MaggieD said:
When do people have the right to beliefs that disagree with yours? Ever?
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I believe if you're the President of the United States, you hold an obligation to care for all Americans. Is that such a preposterous notion to hold?
 
CMPancake said:
Lip service is all well and good. Trump can, and has said a multitude of things and has failed to follow through with them. He can wave a gay pride flag as much as he likes, but when he removes Obama-era protections for LGBT students, attacks LGBT troops, and having Jeff Sessions file out directives to make it open season to allow discrimination against the LGBT community.
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LOL, yes, it's really "Open Season". They're rounding them up and putting them in camps. :roll:



A) the Obama administration's attempt to take over local decision making on this was both bad policy and bad law. The federal government has a set of duties. Playing Louis CK/Roy Moore and forcing underage girls to look at a dude's junk isn't on the list.


B) the title of this thread is about homophobia, not transphobia.


C) Hyperbolically overstating a case only causes people to stop taking you seriously.
 
CMPancake said:
Lip service is all well and good. Trump can, and has said a multitude of things and has failed to follow through with them. He can wave a gay pride flag as much as he likes, but when he removes Obama-era protections for LGBT students, attacks LGBT troops, and having Jeff Sessions file out directives to make it open season to allow discrimination against the LGBT community.



Well then the people who do not feel comfortable with a member of the LGBT community serving in the military they should enlist and put on their boots. Until then, they should be thankful that their bigoted opinions are being protected by those scary LGBTs they fear so much.



I believe if you're the President of the United States, you hold an obligation to care for all Americans. Is that such a preposterous notion to hold?
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First, I meant a large contingent in the military. Next, if you are the POTUS, it is not your job to pretend to believe something you don’t nor advance a cause you don’t believe in. We’ve had plenty of those already. And plenty more to come.

I’ve never read anything to make me believe the POTUS is homophobic. But what if he is? Being homophobic is, IMO, almost a natural human condition. If the majority of guys weren’t and accepted gay and lesbian behavior as normal and natural, we’d probably have been extinct years ago. No dinner and drinks to buy.
 
cpwill said:
LOL, yes, it's really "Open Season". They're rounding them up and putting them in camps. :roll:
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You're attempting to minimize the conversation instead of actually conceding that Trump's words and Trump's actions often live on two different planes of reality.

cpwill said:
A) the Obama administration's attempt to take over local decision making on this was both bad policy and bad law.
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I'm sure the same was said about LBJ when he signed law taking over local decision making.

cpwill said:
B) the title of this thread is about homophobia, not transphobia.
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Fair, but the Transgender community is often affected by homophobia, not to mention Trump did explicitly say he will protect LGBT citizens.

cpwill said:
C) Hyperbolically overstating a case only causes people to stop taking you seriously.
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Nah, people stop taking you seriously once you begin using the eyeroll emoticon non-ironically in lieu of an actual argument.
 
CMPancake said:
You're attempting to minimize the conversation instead of actually conceding that Trump's words and Trump's actions often live on two different planes of reality.
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I guess you missed the election season here. You hardly need to "get" me to "concede" that Trump is a serial liar; I spent months shouting it from the rooftops.

But, in this case, the head fakes from him are almost always sops to his base (like with the transgender troop tweet), rather than some kind of effective policy.


I'm sure the same was said about LBJ when he signed law taking over local decision making.
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:roll: yeah, and that's why Pence needs to federalize all police to force gays into shock therapy. Because if you're against the federal government making that kind of decision, you're basically against black people voting. That's a coherent argument.

Fair, but the Transgender community is often affected by homophobia, not to mention Trump did explicitly say he will protect LGBT citizens.
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Bragged about it. Took sides against his own base on it.

Because he is, as he has always been, a social liberal.


Nah, people stop taking you seriously once you begin using the eyeroll emoticon non-ironically in lieu of an actual argument.
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Nah, it's the cry-wolfism and the constant OMG-ARE-WE-IN-HANDMAIDENS-TALE-YET.
 
MaggieD said:
First, I meant a large contingent in the military.
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And a large contingent of the military will tell you first hand they'll work with ****ing aliens from Mars if it meant they can get all their work done and go home at a reasonable hour.

MaggieD said:
Next, if you are the POTUS, it is not your job to pretend to believe something you don’t nor advance a cause you don’t believe in. We’ve had plenty of those already. And plenty more to come.
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So Maggie, you genuinely believe that is perfectly acceptable for a US President in the 21st century to explicitly hold bigoted beliefs against a section of US citizens? Is this the hill you want to die on?

MaggieD said:
I’ve never read anything to make me believe the POTUS is homophobic. But what if he is? Being homophobic is, IMO, almost a natural human condition.
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Homophobia is a completely taught behavior instilled in people from their family and community. Historically speaking their have been plenty of cultures that did not hold homosexuality in the same condemnation as the hillbillies in the rust belt would like you to believe.


MaggieD said:
If the majority of guys weren’t and accepted gay and lesbian behavior as normal and natural, we’d probably have been extinct years ago. No dinner and drinks to buy.
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That doesn't even begin to follow in any logical, or biological sense. Homosexuality exists in literally hundreds of species and none of them have gone extinct due to failure to reproduce. The only species that shows homophobia are humans.

Holy ****, it's almost 2018 and I'm having the same debate I had in 2010. I need a drink.
 
Absentglare said:
... because he's aligned himself with the religious right.

For example, the "religious freedom" guidance issued by Sessions supports discrimination against homosexuals.
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which is not homophobic, it's merely government policy in favor of constitutional rights
He picked Pence as his running mate.
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so?
He supports homophobes like Roy Moore.
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not initially, in fact he was very vocal in supporting Moore's opponent
[/quote]What you seem to be suggesting is that once homosexuals have the right to marry, no other rights matter. That's not true, he's just "going with the flow" on the big wedge issue. It's a transparent political maneuver that is clearly reversed on policy that he actually affects.[/QUOTE]

Has the Trump administration suggested eliminating the rights of homosexuals to speak, bear arms, be free from search and seizure, or seek counsel? I'm not aware of any such thing.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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Same reason he is "racist" and every other ist!
 
cpwill said:
LOL, yes, it's really "Open Season". They're rounding them up and putting them in camps. :roll:



A) the Obama administration's attempt to take over local decision making on this was both bad policy and bad law. The federal government has a set of duties. Playing Louis CK/Roy Moore and forcing underage girls to look at a dude's junk isn't on the list.


B) the title of this thread is about homophobia, not transphobia.


C) Hyperbolically overstating a case only causes people to stop taking you seriously.
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I concur.
 
CMPancake said:
So Maggie, you genuinely believe that is perfectly acceptable for a US President in the 21st century to explicitly hold bigoted beliefs against a section of US citizens? Is this the hill you want to die on?
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Hyperbole alert, seriously.
People have always said on here that he holds bigoted beliefs, yet when they try to show their evidence. It always turns out to be them taking something he said so far out of context, that its barely on the planet anymore. So I believe that is what your defense here is going to be.

Homophobia is a completely taught behavior instilled in people from their family and community. Historically speaking their have been plenty of cultures that did not hold homosexuality in the same condemnation as the hillbillies in the rust belt would like you to believe.
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Wow, just wow.. and you called Trump Bigoted.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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It’s just that some folks think they need a little more dirt to dissuade homosexuals from supporting him. Others just hate him and think he is everything with which their particular set of evil haunts their dreams.
 
CMPancake said:
Lip service is all well and good. Trump can, and has said a multitude of things and has failed to follow through with them. He can wave a gay pride flag as much as he likes, but when he removes Obama-era protections for LGBT students, attacks LGBT troops, and having Jeff Sessions file out directives to make it open season to allow discrimination against the LGBT community.



Well then the people who do not feel comfortable with a member of the LGBT community serving in the military they should enlist and put on their boots. Until then, they should be thankful that their bigoted opinions are being protected by those scary LGBTs they fear so much.



I believe if you're the President of the United States, you hold an obligation to care for all Americans. Is that such a preposterous notion to hold?
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Even the ****ty ones? Like serial killers?
 
CMPancake said:
It's because Trump came out of literally nowhere to attempt to kick out and ban Transgender troops from the military. Along with the fact that Trump aligns himself with people who are staunchly anti-LGBT like Mike Pence without once ever demanding people like Pence to change their views. This is Trump, he will change his tune to whoever he's in a room with so how he truly feels about the LGBT community is a mystery but his out of nowhere tweets trying to give people far braver than him the boot from military service was an absolutely scummy, bigoted thing to do.
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I might be wrong about this but transgender folks are not homosexual/Lesbian. Are they? If I am wrong please post the correct response.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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I don't think he is. And as a side note, just because you don't agree with that lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic, and just because you are aligned with someone who is, doesn't make you that as well. If that was the case any one of your family or friends should be cut off from your life if they don't agree with the lifestyle.

I have a couple of friends that are not on board with it, but they don't disparage it either. Does that make them homophobic? 'phobic' is used too often.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lots of the Trump haters like to say that Donald Trump is homophobic, well just what do they base that claim on? Trump did say that with gay marriage that the Supreme Court has declared it legal and so its a done deal so I don't see why you would call him homophobic after he said that.
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Meh. Donald Trump doesn't really seem to be a big homophobe or anything like that.
 
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