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Slate's Hot Take on Kevin Spacey

Hawkeye10 said:
Three More Men Accuse Kevin Spacey of Sexual Misconduct – Variety


No joke, that is the charge of misconduct. You see a lot of this kinda nonsense in the charges against Weinstein as well, though he sure looks like a pig. Spacey I have not made my mind up on.
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From the article you linked:

Another accuser — a journalist who chose to remain anonymous — said he interviewed Spacey in the early 2000s and while all was normal while they were in the actor’s office at the Old Vic theater, Spacey invited him out to a club afterward. There, the journalist alleged, Spacey began groping him, reaching between his legs and grabbing his genitals. The journalist said he told Spacey that he was in a serious relationship with a woman and, when he tried to leave the club, Spacey was furious.
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The journalist went on to say that he didn’t run a story about his sexual misconduct because he didn’t want to out Spacey as a gay man. He felt empowered to speak out only after Rapp went public.
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Along with all these other stories about the accomplished veteran actor, what are the various lessons?

I pay special note I've not read in any of these confessions, the narrative typically recited online by what 99.99% of men? That being how if a guy even grazed their crotch with their hand they would beat him to a pulp.

Notice how many--presumably heterosexual--men went along the homoerotic in the hopes of advancing or not endangering their careers.

Does this surprise me? No.

Kevin Spacey and other young men probably used each other. Both wanting something out of the other. But now the willful submissive in the relationship wants to act all innocent. Probably, most culpability goes to the dominant, the seducer, particularly with his or her greater station and worldly power. But even the seduced has some minor degree of culpability.

The atheist story of being American might not know this. But the traditional, orthodox, Christian story of being of any nationality, ethnicity, race, or biological sex has long knew this. Why? Because they produced St. Maria Goretti. An 11 year-old girl my better and the better of many of us... and by "many of us" I mean men too.







Longer video, info, on her:


She was killed by her friend at age 11 who wanted to rape her, she refused & he stabbed her. Maria is the patron saint of chastity, rape victims, youth, teenage girls, poverty, purity & forgiveness.
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The idea that because you are a man it makes you stronger is not necessarily true. Yes, stronger physically, stronger more "robust" bones to use ab anthropologist's term. But morally or emotionally men are not always the stronger of the two sexes.

You could put 100 American men together and they would be weaker than a Tulsi Gabbard. They need not sell themselves out to the dominate power of Kevin Spacey, they would do it for the dominate power of veteran actors in a political party.

 
FastPace said:
From the article you linked:





Along with all these other stories about the accomplished veteran actor, what are the various lessons?

I pay special note I've not read in any of these confessions, the narrative typically recited online by what 99.99% of men? That being how if a guy even grazed their crotch with their hand they would beat him to a pulp.

Notice how many--presumably heterosexual--men went along the homoerotic in the hopes of advancing or not endangering their careers.

Does this surprise me? No.

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Men are vastly weaker than women emotionally now, and as well we tend to be colossally ignorant about relationships with women and on women generally. Women tend to turn that on blast when it works for them, as it so often does. I tell men to study their women well, that is the only way a man can be ready to face the assault that will likely come, as women are every bit as manipulating and abusive as man are.

And now just one accusation not backed up with anything but outrage and tears is enough to ruin a man for good.

Just like the feminists designed it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I tell men to study their women well, that is the only way a man can be ready to face the assault that will likely come, as women are every bit as manipulating and abusive as man are.
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:lol: No truer words have ever been spoken.

Sure, there are kind women out there, and unfortunately they can get screwed over by men. But equally true is that there are some "cutting" women with their words and/or facial expressions, there are some manipulative and conniving women too.

And now just one accusation not backed up with anything but outrage and tears is enough to ruin a man for good.

Just like the feminists designed it.
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Yeah, that's the thing I don't like about this lynch culture around accusations tossed. The mere accusation can ruin a man forever.

You live and learn. Growing into a silver fox I'm more aware of the dangers potentially lurking behind the smile of a woman and her seductive expressions or words. Next thing you know she'll be accusing you of sexual harassment when in fact she is the one that imitated the luring you in and the erotic game.
 
FastPace said:
:lol: No truer words have ever been spoken.

Sure, there are kind women out there, and unfortunately they can get screwed over by men. But equally true is that there are some "cutting" women with their words and/or facial expressions, there are some manipulative and conniving women too.



Yeah, that's the thing I don't like about this lynch culture around accusations tossed. The mere accusation can ruin a man forever.

You live and learn. Growing into a silver fox I'm more aware of the dangers potentially lurking behind the smile of a woman and her seductive expressions or words. Next thing you know she'll be accusing you of sexual harassment when in fact she is the one that imitated the luring you in and the erotic game.
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The message is that men are not needed and if we want to be allowed the privilege of being around then we need to be on our best behavior, which means not making women uncomfortable for any reason and they get to decide where the line is.....they get to decide when it is time for you to leave, when you are trying to act above your station, when you have not properly minded your betters.....women.

Seriously.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harry-dreyfuss-son-richard-dreyfuss-230451766.html


Harry Dreyfuss, Son of Richard Dreyfuss, Alleges Kevin Spacey Groping Incident
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“I was unable to process what was happening: My dad and I were pretending to be lovers in a play while Kevin Spacey was trying to seduce me and all the while in real life I was a hapless, straight virgin who just wanted to become a famous actor,” he wrote. “I didn’t think there was anything I could do short of alerting my dad to what was happening. But I didn’t want to start a feud between them. I didn’t want the play to be threatened.”
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Yeah, that all sounds pretty emotionally and morally healthy, can't see anything ever going wrong there.

If none of this stuff broke in headlines about Hollywood, Democrats and Republicans both would be like (due to the actors having $$$), "Oh, there is nothing wrong with a white man and his white son pretending to be lovers, with one another."

But both Democrats and Republicans have plenty of finger pointing to do towards the gritty inner-city streets with all its sins.

I suspect if Jesus were walking the earth now he would regard the Democrats and Republicans much the way he regarded the Sadducee and Pharisee.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees

The Pharisees /ˈfærəˌsiːz/ were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land...
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LowDown said:
Fans are all apoplectic over Kevin Spacey's outing as a sexual abuser of a 14 year old boy. Subsequent testimony from the film crew of "House of Cards" indicates that Spacey sexually abuses just about everyone on the set, including the mature men. But the 14 year old stands out because it's pedophilia.

Or is it? Slate jumps to Spacey's defense with evidence from some professor of this or that to the effect that "pedophilia" doesn't count for 14 year olds. The term only counts for 13 and under. So stop calling Spacey a pedophile, they say!

It takes one's breath away.

Yes, the term for sexual attraction to post pubertal adolescents is "ephibophile", not "pedophile". But that's a difference of semantics only. In either case one is targeting a person who is not capable of consent, for whom the imbalance of power is huge; a person for whom the encounter is likely to be traumatic and to leave life long scars. In either case it's evil.

(Why do so many Hollywood male stars all pose as liberals? Is it because they are sexually perverted deviant predators, or is liberalism the cause?)

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2...s-lusting-after-14-year-olds-isnt-pedophilia/
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Technically, the professor is correct but Spacey is still a predator to underage young boys, as you correctly stated.
 
William Rea said:
So, in summary, the above post consists of.

1. Let's not cast stones guys.

2. Cast some stones.
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Nope. It is

1. People are naturally broken, and we do bad things.
2. We are more prone to do bad things when we don't face bad consequences for those things.

Daily Beast is hardly a right wing rag, trying to throw stones at liberalism for being uniquely evil on sexual abuse. It is nonetheless correct to point out that political liberalism's willingness to overlook abuse so long as those doing the abusing held "correct" views has enabled them.
 
cpwill said:
Nope. It is

1. People are naturally broken, and we do bad things.
2. We are more prone to do bad things when we don't face bad consequences for those things.

Daily Beast is hardly a right wing rag, trying to throw stones at liberalism for being uniquely evil on sexual abuse. It is nonetheless correct to point out that political liberalism's willingness to overlook abuse so long as those doing the abusing held "correct" views has enabled them.
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In your opinion. I think that regardless of lean of the source it was clear where your stones are being aimed.
 
William Rea said:
In your opinion. I think that regardless of lean of the source it was clear where your stones are being aimed.
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:) I like how you are deftly avoiding the point by pretending to be upset that it is being made.
 
cpwill said:
:) I like how you are deftly avoiding the point by pretending to be upset that it is being made.
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Your post was blatantly hypocritical, I called you out on it, you have no come back. Sounds open and shut to me.
 
William Rea said:
Your post was blatantly hypocritical, I called you out on it, you have no come back. Sounds open and shut to me.
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Nope. Hypocrisy would be applying a standard to others that I refuse to apply to myself.

Here I am simply pointing out that:

A) the string of sexual abuse scandals from liberal men that we've seen does not flow from the fact that they are liberal (easy counterexamples are Ailes and O'Reilly), but from the fact that they are human, and humans do jacked up, bad things.

B) Humans are more likely to do bad things if they reasonably think they can get away with it.

C) Unfortunately, the political left has demonstrated a tendency in recent decades of protecting it's abusers because they have the Right Opinions, and the Cause is considered more important, thus giving the perception that it is more reasonable to think you can get away with it there (there's a reason Weinstein thought he could avoid problems by attacking the NRA). The reason the Left is having a bigger problem with this at the moment is probably partly because they were more willing to overlook it before.

I sourced this latter point from

D) A liberal source, rather than one simply seeking partisan advantage or the ability to put down leftism

and pointed out that

E) The political Right had recently begun to evince the same willingness in the case of Donald Trump (though not for Ailes or O'Reilly).


Suggest you bother to read the article.
 
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