Describe this behavior and identify your age group[W:49]

Absentglare said:

That's like arguing that once you've conversed in English and been properly understood, it's impossible to ever have a misunderstanding ever again. It's one of those phenomenally ignorant of the complexity of reality type of reductions.

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I have no clue what you are talking about.

Sounds like you're the one rambling off onto political prejudice to me.

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Thats great and all but the left is still making an assertion whether you admit it or not.

You think it's okay to force yourself on people? Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission? Not really good policy when it comes to, say, trying anal for the first time. Blindsiding your partner with buttsex isn't really "morally right".

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I dont know about you but the right way to court someone is to not force themselves on anyone. I like how I gave you a chance to act like an adult but instead took the slight ambiguous assumption and let your vile hateful bias do the rest. See most adults would have assumed that I was promoting partners to do the right thing. But you jumped off feet first with: "You think it's okay to force yourself on people? Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission? Not really good policy when it comes to, say, trying anal for the first time. Blindsiding your partner with buttsex isn't really "morally right"." The buttsex jib was great but, I said nothing ever on this site or anywhere on the internet like what you just accused me of. You missed the target completely. SO much that I think you must have me mistaken with someone else entirely. Certainly someones bias wouldnt be so strong that they would ignore reality outright?

You clearly didn't understand my point. My point is that we shouldn't be making personal judgements (like that someone is a virgin or a sexual assailant) due to such opinions (of how to establish consent).

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And my point is that adults know how to establish consent being that they are adults. I know this must be hard for you to understand, but some people actually have morals. ANd they do not need anyone to teach them theirs, or dictate them out. Much like your argument that you just gave me.

Again I know right from wrong, therefor I know when there is consent. Subjective when you add up peoples responses, but not subjective to the individual. So please dont make **** up when talking to me, I know what my argument is, you are not a jedi..

FreedomFromAll said:

I have no clue what you are talking about.

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Virginity is irrelevant. A consent-based misunderstanding can occur to the inexperienced and the experienced alike.

FreedomFromAll said:

Thats great and all but the left is still making an assertion whether you admit it or not.

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Not here, that i see.

FreedomFromAll said:

I dont know about you but the right way to court someone is to not force themselves on anyone. I like how I gave you a chance to act like an adult but instead took the slight ambiguous assumption and let your vile hateful bias do the rest.

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Was that giving me "a chance to act like an adult" before or after you called your opposition a bunch of virgins?

FreedomFromAll said:

See most adults would have assumed that I was promoting partners to do the right thing. But you jumped off feet first with: "You think it's okay to force yourself on people? Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission? Not really good policy when it comes to, say, trying anal for the first time. Blindsiding your partner with buttsex isn't really "morally right"." The buttsex jib was great but, I said nothing ever on this site or anywhere on the internet like what you just accused me of. You missed the target completely. SO much that I think you must have me mistaken with someone else entirely. Certainly someones bias wouldnt be so strong that they would ignore reality outright?

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Great, then i misunderstood you. Care to explain what you mean if you don't have a problem with establishing mutual consent before escalating intimacy?

FreedomFromAll said:

And my point is that adults know how to establish consent being that they are adults. I know this must be hard for you to understand, but some people actually have morals. ANd they do not need anyone to teach them theirs, or dictate them out. Much like your argument that you just gave me.

Again I know right from wrong, therefor I know when there is consent. Subjective when you add up peoples responses, but not subjective to the individual. So please dont make **** up when talking to me, I know what my argument is, you are not a jedi..

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I'm skeptical that you can prove i'm not a jedi.

Absentglare said:

Virginity is irrelevant. A consent-based misunderstanding can occur to the inexperienced and the experienced alike.



Not here, that i see.



Was that giving me "a chance to act like an adult" before or after you called your opposition a bunch of virgins?



Great, then i misunderstood you. Care to explain what you mean if you don't have a problem with establishing mutual consent before escalating intimacy?



I'm skeptical that you can prove i'm not a jedi.

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Wow you are trying way too hard to turn what I said into something you wanted me to say. The conversation that you thought you were having with me was in your head. We never talked about any of those things that your brought up.

All I said was that normal behavior in a normal situation is normal. Then I added that people who know right from wrong can make a good decision. Beyond that you made a bunch of assumptions of which I had nothing to do with. You are trying to get me to assume this position that you want me to have, I find that a dishonest game plan.

FreedomFromAll said:

Wow you are trying way too hard to turn what I said into something you wanted me to say. The conversation that you thought you were having with me was in your head. We never talked about any of those things that your brought up.

All I said was that normal behavior in a normal situation is normal. Then I added that people who know right from wrong can make a good decision. Beyond that you made a bunch of assumptions of which I had nothing to do with. You are trying to get me to assume this position that you want me to have, I find that a dishonest game plan.

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I am not "turning" anything, you claimed that people here are virgins. You actually claimed that. I am giving you my interpretation of the implications of that claim, and you are failing to clarify when challenged to do so. This makes your claim of victimhood rather difficult to understand.

Absentglare said:

I am not "turning" anything, you claimed that people here are virgins. You actually claimed that. I am giving you my interpretation of the implications of that claim, and you are failing to clarify when challenged to do so. This makes your claim of victimhood rather difficult to understand.

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FFS the virgin thing isnt at all what you are making it into. I said virgins ie inexperienced people are debating this because they are noobs to the whole human mating ritual thing. WHy else would someone jump to a bunch of pointless assumptions?

FreedomFromAll said:

FFS the virgin thing isnt at all what you are making it into. I said virgins ie inexperienced people are debating this because they are noobs to the whole human mating ritual thing. WHy else would someone jump to a bunch of pointless assumptions?

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I don't know, i was trying to clarify. It didn't make sense to me.

AGENT J said:

(nothing rough no grabbing no force ...)

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No fun either.

Re: Describe this behavior and identify your age group

Hawkeye10 said:

It used to be fine if it was serious and the two people were serious about each other, but now the feminsts have gone and made it an illegal move.

"TO SAVE THE VICTIMS!"

I am not thrilled.

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I think they call it rape nowadays.

AGENT J said:

Question and your answer will be based on your age 35 and below or 36 and up

So you have class 3 days a week and sit with a person. You think they are a pretty ok person to talk to. They invite you to hang with their friends a few times and you go. So then on one of these outings, this person relizes they are attracted to you. they muster up the courage and they make a move, they lean in for a kiss. (nothing rough no grabbing no force they simply lean in for a kiss)

Do you think that actions is:

(Age 35 below) Normal, common and Appropriate as described
(Age 36 and up) Normal, common and Appropriate as described

(Age 35 below) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described
(Age 36 and up) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described


If you need more info to answer ask and ill give it.

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Is the assumption that I'm attracted too?

American said:

Is the assumption that I'm attracted too?

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For me whether im attracted to them too doesnt change my answer, why would it? But if it changes yours then yes explain how you feel in both cases please.

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Hawkeye10 said:

It used to be fine if it was serious and the two people were serious about each other, but now the feminsts have gone and made it an illegal move. TO SAVE THE VICTIMS! I am not thrilled.

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'Cept of course it isn't illegal... :roll:

The way some on the rabid right spin things....

I am not thrilled... eace

AGENT J said:

For me whether im attracted to them too doesnt change my answer, why would it? But if it changes yours then yes explain how you feel in both cases please.

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What's the other thread you're talking about?

American said:

What's the other thread you're talking about?

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This poll isn't talking about another thread but it was inspired by posts in another thread that i dont know where its at now it was weeks ago. claims were made that the actions were wrong and improper behavior. Only older people that are still in the old ways with no respect for people would think its normal, common, appropriate behavior. And that claim was stated but somebody I respect so i had to see how true it was because i personally didn't think that way, didn't know anybody that though that way now have i observed it in any fashion. It turned out they were indeed wrong. But i still respect them. :shrug:

American said:

What's the other thread you're talking about?

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https://www.debatepolitics.com/dating-and-relationships/295603-guy-kissed-me.html

AGENT J said:

This poll isn't talking about another thread but it was inspired by posts in another thread that i dont know where its at now it was weeks ago. claims were made that the actions were wrong and improper behavior. Only older people that are still in the old ways with no respect for people would think its normal, common, appropriate behavior. And that claim was stated but somebody I respect so i had to see how true it was because i personally didn't think that way, didn't know anybody that though that way now have i observed it in any fashion. It turned out they were indeed wrong. But i still respect them. :shrug:

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Sounds like generalizations. I'd have to know the situation better to decide appropriateness. It's a case by case basis. I don't know, maybe you had to be there.

American said:

Sounds like generalizations. I'd have to know the situation better to decide appropriateness. It's a case by case basis. I don't know, maybe you had to be there.

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Had to be where? The scenario is based on the op and the person answering lol in this case you.

AGENT J said:

Had to be where? The scenario is based on the op and the person answering lol in this case you.

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Well if I liked the woman and felt like I knew her well enough, I might not mind a kiss. But if I wasn't interested, I probably wouldn't find it good for her to move in. I'm not even sure what this has to do with age.

American said:

Well if I liked the woman and felt like I knew her well enough, I might not mind a kiss. But if I wasn't interested, I probably wouldn't find it good for her to move in. I'm not even sure what this has to do with age.

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yes but would you deem it "Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate" because you feelings weren't mutual?
ANd age came up because the person that mad the clam insisted that age mattered. That no younger people would think the behavior was common, good or appropriate.

AGENT J said:

yes but would you deem it "Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate" because you feelings weren't mutual?
ANd age came up because the person that mad the clam insisted that age mattered. That no younger people would think the behavior was common, good or appropriate.

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Maybe only the latter word, because the first too are probably not applicable. Should have given me more choices, I'm spoiled like that. :lol:

American said:

Maybe only the latter word, because the first too are probably not applicable. Should have given me more choices, I'm spoiled like that. :lol:

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Lol like i said it was based off a posters comments in another thread so it was kind of specific.

AGENT J said:

Question and your answer will be based on your age 35 and below or 36 and up

So you have class 3 days a week and sit with a person. You think they are a pretty ok person to talk to. They invite you to hang with their friends a few times and you go. So then on one of these outings, this person relizes they are attracted to you. they muster up the courage and they make a move, they lean in for a kiss. (nothing rough no grabbing no force they simply lean in for a kiss)

Do you think that actions is:

(Age 35 below) Normal, common and Appropriate as described
(Age 36 and up) Normal, common and Appropriate as described

(Age 35 below) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described <---- My Answer.
(Age 36 and up) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described


If you need more info to answer ask and ill give it.

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See above

AGENT J said:

Question and your answer will be based on your age 35 and below or 36 and up

So you have class 3 days a week and sit with a person. You think they are a pretty ok person to talk to. They invite you to hang with their friends a few times and you go. So then on one of these outings, this person relizes they are attracted to you. they muster up the courage and they make a move, they lean in for a kiss. (nothing rough no grabbing no force they simply lean in for a kiss)

Do you think that actions is:

(Age 35 below) Normal, common and Appropriate as described
(Age 36 and up) Normal, common and Appropriate as described

(Age 35 below) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described
(Age 36 and up) Bad behavior, uncommon and inappropriate as described


If you need more info to answer ask and ill give it.

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I'm over 35 and could go either way depending on more details. Did the interested party just realize their attraction and decide to move in for a kiss without any signs of mutual interest from the other person? If that's the case, then I'd call it bad behavior. If there were signs of mutual interest, flirting, ect, it would just depend on how extensive those signals are. As someone else said, making a move isn't necessarily a kiss. You can test the waters before diving into the deep end. But if the flirting and signs were strong enough, it could be perfectly normal behavior. Just depends on the vibe the other person is throwing off.

Psychoclown said:

I'm over 35 and could go either way depending on more details. Did the interested party just realize their attraction and decide to move in for a kiss without any signs of mutual interest from the other person? If that's the case, then I'd call it bad behavior. If there were signs of mutual interest, flirting, ect, it would just depend on how extensive those signals are. As someone else said, making a move isn't necessarily a kiss. You can test the waters before diving into the deep end. But if the flirting and signs were strong enough, it could be perfectly normal behavior. Just depends on the vibe the other person is throwing off.

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what are factually mutual signs of interest, flirting, vibes given off?, who decides? My point is those things are VERY subjective and I cant see how judgment could be made from them. For example ive been told my whole life how much of a friendly, genuine person i am, that im outgoing, funny and a "natural flirt" I have NO idea what that means lol Im just "me". But obviously to many people they git the flirt vibe fro me :shrug:

anyway for the best info I can give you: The kid is in college and the girl when invited went on a couple outings with him. Im sure laughs were shared etc. Was it factual flirting or not, dont know but there was mutal hanging out based on an invite.

They are highly subjective and can easily be misread. No doubt, and a college age kid may or may not have a lot of experience reading the signs of the opposite sex. But I think those are all good reasons not to make your initial move a kiss. Try something more subtle and see how she responds. If her response is favorable, move on from there. If she doesn't respond or responds negatively, then ya know where you stand.

And calling it bad behavior might be overstating the case, depending on the individual. It could just be awkwardness due to a lack of experience. Lord knows I made my share of awkward mistakes with the opposite sex in my youth.

Psychoclown said:

They are highly subjective and can easily be misread. No doubt, and a college age kid may or may not have a lot of experience reading the signs of the opposite sex. But I think those are all good reasons not to make your initial move a kiss. Try something more subtle and see how she responds. If her response is favorable, move on from there. If she doesn't respond or responds negatively, then ya know where you stand.

And calling it bad behavior might be overstating the case, depending on the individual. It could just be awkwardness due to a lack of experience. Lord knows I made my share of awkward mistakes with the opposite sex in my youth.

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I think its GROSSLY overstating it like most people.
and like you said you have made your share of "mistakes" so you agree its common and its only a mistake.(I would be guilty of the same by the way lol ) but because of that I cant ever quantify that as bad behavior. Especially since it describes how I was kissed almost every time lol Way to common. I was only asked by a girl once if she could kiss me, every other case the girl just went for it.

now if somebody was forceful or hands on grabby, yeah . . but ian innocent lean in isnt bad in anyway as far as im concerned.