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Big Bang Theory - Adorkable Misogyny

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Is there actual truth to this?

Or is it just a god-damned sitcom comedy?

Or both?

Is this hyper-sensitive idiots just looking for something in anything to cry about?

Thoughts?
 
mi·sog·y·ny
məˈsäjənē/Submit
noun
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
"she felt she was struggling against thinly disguised misogyny"

The characters on BIG BANG - with the exception of Sheldon - absolutely LOVE WOMEN. They just are bumbling around them but even Leonard got the hot one. And Sheldon has come around also and has a girl friend that he proposed to. So there is no truth to the premise.
 
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Penny is a stereotypical "barn find". She eventually gets a high paying job, but she only got it because of a friend and only succeeds because of her bimbo-skills.

The men are also stereotyped. They're geeks - weaklings and physical cowards.

It's a comedy about stereotypes. I don't imagine it'd be a show without making fun of stereotypes, that's basically all it does.
 
Definitely both. Many of those accusations are true but here is the thing: IT'S FICTION!

What is funny in a sitcom will get your ass kicked, or arrested, in real life.

I can enjoy shows like Big Bang Theory and Breaking Bad without being a misogynist or a meth dealer.
 
I'm having trouble with the misogynist thing too.

All 4 guys are absolute idiots when it comes to everything about women.
The women actually are the ones who bring the guys around regarding how to have better relationships.

Each guy (fictionally) comes from a totally dysfunctional family, and each guy has a mother figure that is completely domineering an capable of sucking the life out of any and all men.

So yeah, the guys are dysfunctional when it comes to women.

Does that make them misogynists?

Or are the just dysfunctional?
Generally speaking, they all seek a long term and functional relationship with a woman. So how is that misogynistic?
 


Is there actual truth to this?

Or is it just a god-damned sitcom comedy?

Or both?

Is this hyper-sensitive idiots just looking for something in anything to cry about?

Thoughts?


I wouldn't say there is any truth to it. Its merely a viewpoint.

Some people want to view everything as sexist racist bigoted homophobic islamophobic xenophobic whatever you want to say 'ophobic. It's a way to try to discredit social commentary or viewpoints that people don't like. They particularly harp on this when the viewpoints are somewhat accurate. Suggesting the Viewpoint causes the behavior versus it's simply being an observation.
 
I'm having trouble with the misogynist thing too.

All 4 guys are absolute idiots when it comes to everything about women.
The women actually are the ones who bring the guys around regarding how to have better relationships.

Each guy (fictionally) comes from a totally dysfunctional family, and each guy has a mother figure that is completely domineering an capable of sucking the life out of any and all men.

So yeah, the guys are dysfunctional when it comes to women.

Does that make them misogynists?

Or are the just dysfunctional?
Generally speaking, they all seek a long term and functional relationship with a woman. So how is that misogynistic?

The problem the narrator in the video had was the joke's not really the personality of the actor. One in particular was Sheldon's comment about women being like an egg salad sandwich. The point of a joke is 2 laugh at something because it's so ridiculous but has a tiny grain of truth to it. Generally speaking men seek out youthful women because you typically means health and the ability to procreate. So there is the tiny grain of Truth. And you couple that with Sheldon's parents backstory it's absurd to think that way we know it's absurd to think that way and generally speaking I don't even think the fictional person Sheldon was quoting even thought that way it was just funny.

Humor is away of demystifying certain topics. This censoring of people has gotten really bad lately and it's the absolute reason why shows like big bang Siri and South Park and Family Guy and Tosh point O have really garnered a huge audience. People in general are sick of being told how to think and comedy is an effort to resist that to think freely.

There are a lot of people that don't want people thinking freely. They want to be taken seriously even if what they're talking about is ridiculous.
 


Is there actual truth to this?

Or is it just a god-damned sitcom comedy?

Or both?

Is this hyper-sensitive idiots just looking for something in anything to cry about?

Thoughts?


I don't think they're being hypersensitive pointing it out, nerdy and geeky males are pretty misogynistic. But they are misogynistic for a completely different reason than the standard asshole. It's more of a reflex mechanism, the reason the Big Bang Theory gets away with lampshading misogyny is because it's guaranteed that those guys got the reverse of it their whole lives.

From puberty onward, the more geeky, nerdy types are harshly judged by women. Think of the quintessential nerd asking a girl out, and having the girl laugh at him. Think about everytime you hear a girl saying out loud, I just want a nice guy. And have the nerdy sidekick that's been giving her emotional support out of unrequited love step forward to only be shot down. And those are just some mild examples, nerds have had it rather rough. And that is starting to change, women have started to consider nerds and geeks acceptable and desirable mates. The kid with the biggest MTG collection is the most popular these days. But the ones that already grew up, had years of either being completely ignored or outright ridiculed by women they showed an interest in. It put a chip on their shoulder and forced them to keep their distance, wanting but never receiving. Which leads to objectification. All of their interactions with women til recently had been in the world of fantasy.

So it's pretty common for nerds of a certain age to be misogynistic, we're only now noticing it because women as a group decided that the intelligent, quirky type is preferable to the self labeled alpha male type they favored for so long and finally started giving nerds the time of day. They start interacting with the geeks, and nerds, who have no experience with what women are really like. And the nerds try to poorly emulate their fantasy versions of themselves. Using fake alpha-male borderline sexual harassment. Because they think that's what works, because they've seen it work their whole lives, from afar. They don't get the context. Women like attention, they just don't like attention from men they would never date. Anytime a guy tries to pick up a woman, it could be seen as sexual harassment technically. But, it's not harassment when they're interested in you. So you have to walk a line between sexy and offensive. And that line is different for every woman.

What we're seeing is women shifting their preferences, and nerds panicking with this new found attention and making a fool of themselves. But it's still not as bad as what most women are used to. If you look to the younger people, nerds that are growing up without the stigma of being a nerd, but rather the celebration of it. You will find very little misogyny.

On the flipside, as more women are moving toward nerdy geeky types, the self styled alpha males being left behind are going insane. They even have a group on reddit, and call themselves incels, short for involuntarily celibate. Where they mostly bitch about beta males taking all their women. Why their wives divorced them, for a beta male, and how hard it is finding a new one because of feminism. They make up alot of men's rights activism groups to. It's hilarious.
 
Of these shows, which one is more/most "harmful" and/or "demeaning" to women?

1) Big Bang Theory
2) Any of the Kardashian/Jenner shows
3) Top Model shows
4) Bachelorette shows
5) Toddlers & Tiaras
6) Two Broke Girls
7) Real Housewives shows

Conversely, which show also tends to make the men on them look rather pathetic more often than not?
 
Change. The channel.
 


Is there actual truth to this?

Or is it just a god-damned sitcom comedy?

Or both?

Is this hyper-sensitive idiots just looking for something in anything to cry about?

Thoughts?


Last time I saw the show was maybe 5 or 6 years ago. It was certainly a play on the blonde being a bit book dumb and stuck in a stupid job, but she was the only one on the show with any common sense. So...no. Not misogynist. Just lame comedy.
 
Check out Leonard's glasses. There is no glass in them. I like the show. Not anti women.
 
[video=youtube;X3-hOigoxHs]Thoughts?
I didn’t watch the whole video but this kind of thing usually misunderstands the point of this kind of broad comedy. It does present all sorts of stereotypes and uses them as the basis of the comedy, often mocking the kind of attitudes the video is complaining about. In the case of Big Bang though, it’s actually quite rounds, playing off on “geeky male” stereotypes as much as any misogyny (the boys attitudes to women is more of an negative on them than the women).

I think this show has been particularly successful because it often moves beyond that broad stereotype-based comedy and presents the characters (male and female) as deeper and more rounded individuals, putting their behaviour in context. Other shows will just stick to the stereotypes without going any deeper but even then it’s a clear basis for comedy, as much mocking the negative attitudes as promoting them (albeit sometimes not very well).
 
I didn’t watch the whole video but this kind of thing usually misunderstands the point of this kind of broad comedy. It does present all sorts of stereotypes and uses them as the basis of the comedy, often mocking the kind of attitudes the video is complaining about. In the case of Big Bang though, it’s actually quite rounds, playing off on “geeky male” stereotypes as much as any misogyny (the boys attitudes to women is more of an negative on them than the women).

I think this show has been particularly successful because it often moves beyond that broad stereotype-based comedy and presents the characters (male and female) as deeper and more rounded individuals, putting their behaviour in context. Other shows will just stick to the stereotypes without going any deeper but even then it’s a clear basis for comedy, as much mocking the negative attitudes as promoting them (albeit sometimes not very well).

That's my thought too.

For all the book-smart brains the boys have, they are just incredibly naive when it comes to social/female relationships.
Much of which of course is due to their upbringing.

In the end, the show might be more misandry than misogyny.

Of course, I'm still on the side of the fence that it's mainly just a comedy sitcom that shouldn't be worried about as much as laughed at, but that's just me.

I saw the youtube video in the OP posted on Facebook. Thought it was rather nonsensical in it's effort to be serious.
 
BBT is a funny sitcom, in my top 5 sitcoms of all-time. I pretty sure most 'comedy' is at someone else's expense. As long as the comedy isn't vicious and mean-spirited, then I don't have a problem with it.

We can analyze the crap out of 'Married with Children'.
 
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