In A Heartbeat (Short Animation). Does the Message Resonate with You?

RAMOSS said:

I know someone what was kicked out of the house, hit and disowned at age 19 when he came out as bi to his father (about 6 years ago). He was in Arkansas.. and has since married and has a kid. He still never talks to his father though.

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That's ****ed up.

KevinKohler said:

Oh, definitely cute....but I think we've come a very looong way on social acceptance for two dudes loving each other. Course, that's from my limited perspective. I have a lot of gay friends, most of whom had no issues, or minimal issues. In CT. **** could still be scary down south.

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The fact that stuff like this can even be made, shows that society has definitely become much more accepting of gay people. While there is still stigma out there, I think it's safe to say that that kind of mindset is steadily dying out.

TheGoverness said:

That's ****ed up.

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Yes it is. However it's STILL not uncommon. If you look at the stats, the rate of homeless youth that are gay is 40%

I hope with more acceptance of the current generation that drops.

TheGoverness said:

The fact that stuff like this can even be made, shows that society has definitely become much more accepting of gay people. While there is still stigma out there, I think it's safe to say that that kind of mindset is steadily dying out.

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The Brief: The "bathroom bill" is on its way to the Texas House

TheGoverness said:

The fact that stuff like this can even be made, shows that society has definitely become much more accepting of gay people. While there is still stigma out there, I think it's safe to say that that kind of mindset is steadily dying out.

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Gay rights activists count 24 bills introduced into the Legislature this session they say infringe on the rights of LGBT residents in Texas — more than any other time in state history. The bills are a new front in the attack on LGBT rights by Texas’ Republican-led Legislature following a key U.S. Supreme Court decision two years ago recognizing the right to marry for same-sex couples, said Chuck Smith, president of Equality Texas, which advocates for LGBT rights.

“This is the most number of specifically anti-LGBT bills that we’ve ever faced,” he said. “It’s an all-out assault on LGBT people.”

One of the most contentious bills has been Senate Bill 6, the so-called “bathroom bill,” which would require that people use bathrooms in public schools and government buildings based on their “biological sex” and prohibit transgender people from using bathrooms that align with their gender identity.

Just as it did for a similar law recently passed in North Carolina, Senate Bill 6 has drawn withering criticism from civil rights activists as well as business and tourism leaders. In a letter to Texas senators in March, Chris Wallace, president of the Texas Association of Business, warned that the bill, if passed, would lead to at least $407 million in direct spending losses for the state. The bill passed the Senate but has stalled in the House.

Another bill would allow county clerks to pass off issuing marriage licenses to other county officials if it conflicts with their religious beliefs, and another would keep transgender athletes from competing in high school sports. "If these bills are enacted in their current form, we will see litigation," Smith said.

Texas is not alone. This year, state lawmakers have introduced 131 anti-LGBT bills in 30 states, according to figures compiled by the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign. Only nine of those bills so far have passed into law. Texas leads the nation with the number of bills considered anti-LGBT. Last year, 252 bills were introduced, eight of which became laws, according to the HRC statistics.

RAMOSS said:

I know someone what was kicked out of the house, hit and disowned at age 19 when he came out as bi to his father (about 6 years ago). He was in Arkansas.. and has since married and has a kid. He still never talks to his father though.

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Yep that happens. I still don't think it's very common. I know someone that was disowned because she is atheist.

Is that not the same thing?

CLAX1911 said:

Yep that happens. I still don't think it's very common. I know someone that was disowned because she is atheist.

Is that not the same thing?

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Yes.. it is. The 'gay' and 'atheist' quite often go together... because of the disrespect that the gay community gets from many of the religious communities. However, if you look at the statistic that 40% of the homeless youth is gay... it IS much more common than you realize. The fact that there is a disproportionate number should tell you that it isn't quite the same thing, because of the frequency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_among_LGBT_youth_in_the_United_States

RAMOSS said:

Yes.. it is. The 'gay' and 'atheist' quite often go together... because of the disrespect that the gay community gets from many of the religious communities.

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but there are also many other facets that fall in line. A white boy wants to date a black girl I know someone that was disowned over that. Some people don't want to take up the family business. I know one girl that was disowned for converting from Jehovah's Witness to Pentecostal because she married a man that was Pentecostal.

Nobody has the corner on this Market. And it has s*** to do with homosexuality. It has everything to do with lousy parenting.

However, if you look at the statistic that 40% of the homeless youth is gay...

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and the only logical conclusion to immediately jump to is there right away because their parents are bigots?

it IS much more common than you realize.

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are you kidding me? I am a gay man. And I'm married to a gay man who was disowned by his parents for being gay. I couldn't be more cognizant of this problem unless I was actually disowned.

What arrogance to sit in lecture me about this.

The fact that there is a disproportionate number should tell you that it isn't quite the same thing, because of the frequency.

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I'm not the type of person to just jump to conclusions. A correlation does not equal a causation. Kids runaway for all sorts of reasons. And yes I think I a child that's gay would have a few more reasons. But I'm not going to automatically assume or jump to the conclusion that it's because their parents disowned them.

In fact your Wikipedia reference doesn't make that conclusion.

SmokeAndMirrors said:

That's so ****ing cute.

It does a good job of sort of creating an arch that I think will also be relatable to a lot of LGBT kids.

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If my 14 year old self could have watched that.

CLAX1911 said:

but there are also many other facets that fall in line. A white boy wants to date a black girl I know someone that was disowned over that. Some people don't want to take up the family business. I know one girl that was disowned for converting from Jehovah's Witness to Pentecostal because she married a man that was Pentecostal.

Nobody has the corner on this Market. And it has s*** to do with homosexuality. It has everything to do with lousy parenting.

and the only logical conclusion to immediately jump to is there right away because their parents are bigots?

are you kidding me? I am a gay man. And I'm married to a gay man who was disowned by his parents for being gay. I couldn't be more cognizant of this problem unless I was actually disowned.

What arrogance to sit in lecture me about this.

I'm not the type of person to just jump to conclusions. A correlation does not equal a causation. Kids runaway for all sorts of reasons. And yes I think I a child that's gay would have a few more reasons. But I'm not going to automatically assume or jump to the conclusion that it's because their parents disowned them.

In fact your Wikipedia reference doesn't make that conclusion.

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A friend of mine worked at a LGQBT center, and she said , in her experience, was that was the case with the homeless youth that were getting help at the center.

RAMOSS said:

A friend of mine worked at a LGQBT center, and she said , in her experience, was that was the case with the homeless youth that were getting help at the center.

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Anecdotes aren't evidence.

CLAX1911 said:

Anecdotes aren't evidence.

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Why, when it comes to personal experience of people who are working in the field, it most certainly is. It just isn't quantified in a study.

And, indeed there was a study that broke down why these homeless gay youths were indeed homeless

https://thinkprogress.org/study-40-...mily-rejection-is-leading-cause-a2aaa72c414a/

WHich as a link to the original study http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...ates-LGBT-Homeless-Youth-Survey-July-2012.pdf

RAMOSS said:

Why, when it comes to personal experience of people who are working in the field, it most certainly is.

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I didn't hear personal experience of people working in the field. I read your claim that you know somebody. That's hearsay it's not evidence and it isn't personal experience.

It just isn't quantified in a study.

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I'd happily hear personal experience of people that worked in the field I'd love to hear it.

I simply haven't.

You presented hearsay.

Just to be sure about what I'm talking about here I'm not saying you're wrong I'm simply saying I'm not taking your word for it.

And, indeed there was a study that broke down why these homeless gay youths were indeed homeless

https://thinkprogress.org/study-40-...mily-rejection-is-leading-cause-a2aaa72c414a/

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I'm glad you presented this study because it undermines your statement.

40% of homeless youth are not gay they are LGBT. I know it's semantics but they're your semantics.

To the top statistic states that 46% of this 40% ran away because the family rejects their sexual identity or orientation. That isn't the same it's being disowned because you're gay and for posterity sake lesbian transgender or bisexual. It means you did not want to live in that environment.

Also 32% of this 40% of homeless youth left their parents house due to abuse. Whether or not LGBT youth face more abuse because of their sexual orientations or identities may play a part in that but there are plenty of people who aren't LGBT who were abused by their parents or family members
17% aged out of foster care and 13% where neglected to financially or emotionally which is abuse so I don't know why that's in a different category

So it's only 43% of the original 40% that are forced out of their house because of their sexual orientation or identity

So in truth 17.2% of homeless youth were forced out due to their sexual identity or orientation. That's not most that's not even half that's not even a quarter.

I don't get me wrong it's horrible and I think parents that do this should be criminally liable. But your numbers or misleading.

Again my spouse of 12 Years is one of these people in this now 17.2% of homeless youth. His story may not be very rare but it certainly isn't very common.

WHich as a link to the original study http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...ates-LGBT-Homeless-Youth-Survey-July-2012.pdf

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I'm not downloading a PDF. It's moot anyway because your own source undermined your argument

CLAX1911 said:

I didn't hear personal experience of people working in the field. I read your claim that you know somebody. That's hearsay it's not evidence and it isn't personal experience.

I'd happily hear personal experience of people that worked in the field I'd love to hear it.

I simply haven't.

You presented hearsay.

Just to be sure about what I'm talking about here I'm not saying you're wrong I'm simply saying I'm not taking your word for it.

I'm glad you presented this study because it undermines your statement.

40% of homeless youth are not gay they are LGBT. I know it's semantics but they're your semantics.

To the top statistic states that 46% of this 40% ran away because the family rejects their sexual identity or orientation. That isn't the same it's being disowned because you're gay and for posterity sake lesbian transgender or bisexual. It means you did not want to live in that environment.

Also 32% of this 40% of homeless youth left their parents house due to abuse. Whether or not LGBT youth face more abuse because of their sexual orientations or identities may play a part in that but there are plenty of people who aren't LGBT who were abused by their parents or family members
17% aged out of foster care and 13% where neglected to financially or emotionally which is abuse so I don't know why that's in a different category

So it's only 43% of the original 40% that are forced out of their house because of their sexual orientation or identity

So in truth 17.2% of homeless youth were forced out due to their sexual identity or orientation. That's not most that's not even half that's not even a quarter.

I don't get me wrong it's horrible and I think parents that do this should be criminally liable. But your numbers or misleading.

Again my spouse of 12 Years is one of these people in this now 17.2% of homeless youth. His story may not be very rare but it certainly isn't very common.







I'm not downloading a PDF. It's moot anyway because your own source undermined your argument

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Shrug, you are being dishonest when it comes to the lgqbt and gay disinction. I think that is disgusting on your part.

RAMOSS said:

Shrug, you are being dishonest when it comes to the lgqbt and gay disinction.

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I'm not going to accuse you of being dishonest because frankly I'm a lot more polite than you and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Also I wasn't being dishonest it was semantics and I said as much I was as honest as I could possibly be.

You also said the following...

RAMOSS said:

Yes.. it is. ... However, if you look at the statistic that 40% of the homeless youth is gay... it IS much more common than you realize. The fact that there is a disproportionate number should tell you that it isn't quite the same thing, because of the frequency.

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This is presumptive in that you claim it's higher than I might think when you don't know what I might think based on the source you've referenced it's right on target.

But I'll let that slide.

Upon reading a source you linked I come to find out that it is 17.2% of homeless youth are forced out of their house due to their sexual orientation.

So I think you were being a bit hyperbolic.

I think that is disgusting on your part.

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I don't care what you think.

And I also noticed you didn't make an argument except for to falsely accuse me of dishonesty and then tell me you think I'm a piece of s***.

So as far as the argument goes you're just going to abandon it because you don't like me?