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Men looking at a woman’s chest and hips

I think we all knew this because it is only biological and natural for men to do this:



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle...don’t-like-you-that-way/ar-AAoRFaA?li=AAggxAX

I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.

That my be true but, IMHO, attraction may vary based on the attractee.

Some want (independence?) self sufficiency:



Some want (outlook?) attitude:



I wanted (and got) both.
 
That's rather subjective and, possibly, biased. Definitely requires a qualified second opinion.

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These aren't the boobs you're looking for. Move along!
 
I think we all knew this because it is only biological and natural for men to do this:



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle...don’t-like-you-that-way/ar-AAoRFaA?li=AAggxAX

I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.

You know, being on the other side of this now... Recently had the maintenance team over to fix some plumbing and the lead guy kept staring at my chest. It was, uncomfortable. Seriously, I'm talking to you and you're talking to my chest. Eyes up here buddy, show me the respect I'm showing you. And I wasn't wearing anything "provocative". He just kept looking.

Now I know why the ladies generally did not appreciate that in a day to day setting. You look people in the eye if you want to say "I hear you", you look at their chest says "Whatever... BOOBS!" And it's annoying.

It was also a little funny, for me.
 
I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.

Glancing and Staring are very different. It's hard to blame a guy for a glance, but staring at anybody is incredibly rude and unnerving regardless of what your reasons are for it. Nobody wants to be leered at like a piece of meat.
 
I think we all knew this because it is only biological and natural for men to do this:



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle...don’t-like-you-that-way/ar-AAoRFaA?li=AAggxAX

I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.

Yes dear and I make game out of it when we people watch. Lots of pointing and staring and disturbed smiling. We are not exactly known for subtlety. The game itself is subtle though, the basic premise is she makes a comment or asks a question and I make sure to pay enough attention not to get caught in a verbal trap. Its kind of a one sided game that has decent scenery depending on where we end up. Almost a verbal jujitsu match. Lots of entendre involved. I am not sure what the women and men we look at think of it, not that we actually cared. Do you care what your meat thinks of you? We are just examining the goods in the meat market and commenting on it that's all.
 
Try this experiment. next time you are standing next to a man and having a conversation with him. Instead of looking him in the eyes be very obvious about staring at the point where his penis should be. Do you think the other man might become a tad offended by this?

You really can't interchange men and women's sexuality. They really are very different. The Golden Rule does not, and cannot, apply.

I remember this local political debate once, where the woman was upset and angrily asking the other male candidate: "How would you like it if you were just trying to walk down the street and a car full of women pulled up to you and started cat-calling and flirting with you?"

The man didn't say anything. I think he was just not sure how to answer. Then a wry smile appeared on his lips, and the whole audience just broke out into this nervous laugh. 'Nuff said, he seemed to be saying.

What works on one sex is not interchangeable with the other.
 
You really can't interchange men and women's sexuality. They really are very different. The Golden Rule does not, and cannot, apply.

I remember this local political debate once, where the woman was upset and angrily asking the other male candidate: "How would you like it if you were just trying to walk down the street and a car full of women pulled up to you and started cat-calling and flirting with you?"

The man didn't say anything. I think he was just not sure how to answer. Then a wry smile appeared on his lips, and the whole audience just broke out into this nervous laugh. 'Nuff said, he seemed to be saying.

What works on one sex is not interchangeable with the other.

It was more a thought experiment than try it in real life experiment. But true the best way to annoy a man is not to sexualise him but to simply dismiss him as irrelevant. If you want the equivelent for a man then the Best way is to simply ignore what he said or just tell him to go away and stop bothering people. Men have just as much a need to be taken seriously instead of being objectified as women do.
 
There is your problem, the stare. Nothing creepy about a look or glance, just don't stare... unless you're wearing sunglasses so they don't know.

but staring IS natural.
 
It was more a thought experiment than try it in real life experiment. But true the best way to annoy a man is not to sexualise him but to simply dismiss him as irrelevant. If you want the equivelent for a man then the Best way is to simply ignore what he said or just tell him to go away and stop bothering people. Men have just as much a need to be taken seriously instead of being objectified as women do.

Men are objectified. That is true and observable irrespective of the Dear Leaders in the Democratic and Republican Parties having failed to make a pronouncement on it.

Men are financially objectified by women. That might date back to antiquity.

One can observe this is current times if they have eyes and ears and willing to use both rather than waiting on their Dear Leaders to issue some pontification on the existence or lack of of a thing.

But I think women would complain if they did not get any sexual attraction attention at all. Actually, I know that many women do complain about this even if indirectly. Or what the hell does one think the whole "lets program boys to view all girls and women as equally attractive" was born from in these things like "she's a beautiful big black woman" (meaning obese woman)?

So, Dear Leaders in the USA have proclaimed from their high towers that boys and men are not judged on their looks. :shock: :lamo

Why the hell do men expend so much caloric energy and mental allocation to looking better physically then?









Oh! But wait! Cries the Dear Leaders... it is a universal truism they say that men don't have to look good to get ahead in business and politics or entertainment but women do have to be super hot looking. Really Dear Leaders? Is your "truism" merely false pontification or do you all have a very low bar for "hot looking women." Maybe that's why you all rocketed Hillary Clinton to political stardom.

I don't find Ellen "hot looking." She is "cool" and has likable personality but I don't think of her as "hot" like a J-Lo.


 
So? So is cancer. EVERYTHING is natural, not an argument for being creepy.

My stare is not creepy. I don't show me stare to be anything but a glance. But all men stare.
 
My stare is not creepy.

You don't get to decide that, the person you are staring at does.

I don't show me stare to be anything but a glance. But all men stare.

All men look, all men do not stare. If yours is merely a glace than you're not staring. Please don't bother me if the disagreement is mere semantics. Staring is creepy, even a desirable glance can turn creepy if it goes too long. Also, staring means you're not doing, hesitation is not attractive either.

Either say hello or move on, but don't just gawk.
 
Men are objectified. That is true and observable irrespective of the Dear Leaders in the Democratic and Republican Parties having failed to make a pronouncement on it.

Men are financially objectified by women. That might date back to antiquity.

One can observe this is current times if they have eyes and ears and willing to use both rather than waiting on their Dear Leaders to issue some pontification on the existence or lack of of a thing.

But I think women would complain if they did not get any sexual attraction attention at all. Actually, I know that many women do complain about this even if indirectly. Or what the hell does one think the whole "lets program boys to view all girls and women as equally attractive" was born from in these things like "she's a beautiful big black woman" (meaning obese woman)?

So, Dear Leaders in the USA have proclaimed from their high towers that boys and men are not judged on their looks. :shock: :lamo

Why the hell do men expend so much caloric energy and mental allocation to looking better physically then?





Oh! But wait! Cries the Dear Leaders... it is a universal truism they say that men don't have to look good to get ahead in business and politics or entertainment but women do have to be super hot looking. Really Dear Leaders? Is your "truism" merely false pontification or do you all have a very low bar for "hot looking women." Maybe that's why you all rocketed Hillary Clinton to political stardom.

I don't find Ellen "hot looking." She is "cool" and has likable personality but I don't think of her as "hot" like a J-Lo.

Unusual outlook to say men are financially objectified by women when history shows that man has put women into a position of financial dependency on men. Then when women break from this traditional role they face discrimination in pay because they are a woman.

Anothe weird outlook by you that women are trying to make all women attractive to men rather than just protest the continuation of a stereotype image of women that is not even close to what most women actually look like continue.

You're mistaken if you think to blame a trend on women wanting to look feminine or men masculine on being some sort of contradiction to these claims of equality. Possibly like many you confuse equality with being equal.

I assume you're american by your lavish worship of your leaders opinions. Another contradiction that americans want to be seen as free thinkers but wait upon their "dear leaders" to show them the way. Your leaders do not make proclimations for you to follow. They listen to what the people are saying and try to deliver on that message.
 
You don't get to decide that, the person you are staring at does.



All men look, all men do not stare. If yours is merely a glace than you're not staring. Please don't bother me if the disagreement is mere semantics. Staring is creepy, even a desirable glance can turn creepy if it goes too long. Also, staring means you're not doing, hesitation is not attractive either.

Either say hello or move on, but don't just gawk.

I guess the problem is you dont want to talk to them. If they are staring you could obviously say "Hello" or "Please stop staring at me". But you dont even want to talk to this person or confront them to let them know about your anxiety. Thats kinda pompous.
 
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