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Men looking at a woman’s chest and hips

Bucky said:
If we are talking about two homosexual men, then probably not.
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Really??? because homosexual men do absolutely nothing else but have sex with each other.

A ridiculous distinction to make.
 
Bucky said:
Many people in this country are already in "tribes." It may not be in the way you define tribe, but it already exists. We attack others for survival, protection, and instinct.
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Answer my question. Just because you have an impulse to do something, does it mean you should do that thing?
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Farting is a natural biological function. I have no idea why people get upset when I blast a huge fart right in the middle of a quiet restaurant.

Helps you understand? Of course men are attracted to women's bodies. That doesn't mean it's polite to "stare" (your word) especially at someone you don't even know.

And another thing, how often do you have women throwing a fit because you are staring at them? I see attractive women all the time, I check them out all the time. Can't remember ever offending someone over it. Or for that matter ever seeing someone offended at another person for staring at their chest/hips in real life. If you are constantly being told to stop staring then I'm guessing you are the problem and you need to learn to keep your tongue in your mouth and gaze alittle more subtly.
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When you are evaluating a comely female, do you let thunderous wind rip or do you stifle? How's it work out?
 
Bucky said:
I think we all knew this because it is only biological and natural for men to do this:



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle...don’t-like-you-that-way/ar-AAoRFaA?li=AAggxAX

I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.
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Taking a look is not a problem for the vast majority. But staring and making obnoxious gestures is. Now when your younger and searching for that right woman there is the infatuation stare that is normal and usually not offensive to the average women that I have talked to. However if they are not interested they may snap you out of it with a to the point comment making it clear to move on to greener pastures.

However the ones that dress provocative and then get nasty when they draw your gaze are real problems and a smart man should heed the snakes rattle.
 
Phys251 said:
Answer my question. Just because you have an impulse to do something, does it mean you should do that thing?
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I have an impulse to eat, should I stop?
 
Bucky said:
I think we all knew this because it is only biological and natural for men to do this:



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle...don’t-like-you-that-way/ar-AAoRFaA?li=AAggxAX

I am still baffled why women get offended when a man stares at her chest or hips, especially if she is wearing provocative clothing.
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The blue bold portion is the most critical. That is pertaining to culpability. Unlike criminal courts the civil courts generally can assign varying levels of culpability to both complainant and defendant.



Just from a purely moral or ethical point (philosophically):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpability


Culpability, or being culpable, is a measure of the degree to which an agent, such as a person, can be held morally or legally responsible for action and inaction. Culpability marks the dividing line between moral evil, like murder, for which someone may be held legally responsible and a randomly occurring event, like earthquakes, for which no human can be held responsible. One formulation of the concept is as follows:

A person is culpable if they cause a negative event and
(1) the act was intentional;
(2) the act and its consequences could have been controlled (i.e., the agent knew the likely consequences, the agent was not coerced, and the agent overcame hurdles to make the event happen); and
(3) the person provided no excuse or justification for the actions.[1]

Culpability descends from the Latin concept of fault (culpa). The concept of culpability is intimately tied up with notions of agency, freedom, and free will. All are commonly held to be necessary, but not sufficient, conditions for culpability.
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Just get Chive on your phone, man... Since you know it offends them, skip the part where you need to do the investigation, skip the part where you feel entitled to offend them because of your inability to control your biology, whip out your phone, and stare to your heart's content.

I'm not saying *not* staring is easy...good grief, I could probably bench my weight with my eye muscles from years of training to be something of a gentleman, but it's worth it... Honestly, if you can't control yourself, you're playing yourself. You look goofy to men *and* women...

Unless you're 14, in which case there's really nothing you can do.
 
Bucky said:
And how does looking at a woman's chest or hips harm anyone other than you?
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Maybe you should ask them and take into consideration their responses.

Actually, wait, check that. Don't. Maybe the internet can help you.
 
Phys251 said:
Maybe you should ask them and take into consideration their responses.

Actually, wait, check that. Don't. Maybe the internet can help you.
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Is it illegal? Is physical harm being caused? Why don't you show the same outrage when women ogle a man?

All of a sudden this conversation was converted to something about "tribes" and animal instincts. Thanks for the buzz kill. Borderline racist comments.
 
Bucky said:
Is it illegal? Is physical harm being caused? Why don't you show the same outrage when women ogle a man?
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Hmm, I wonder, Bucky?! What could possibly be a reason for such a thing?! ;)

All of a sudden this conversation was converted to something about "tribes" and animal instincts. Thanks for the buzz kill. Borderline racist comments.
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Your reactions are not my responsibility. Stay on topic.
 
Bucky said:
Would women rather have men start gagging instead of staring? Women need to understand it is a compliment. Most men are hard-wired like this.
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I'll have to give you props on one thing (even assuming I don't fully say your position is morally right): you are a liberal that at least tries to script your ethical philosophy and world view with some coherency. Your "painting" in other words has a coherency in which all forms interact and connect in a intelligible manner. Your post-modernist (post-modernism is against rational thinking) liberals retaliating against you in this thread produce "paintings" that are as disconnected (no coherency) as abstract paintings in which a painter merely flings different colors of paint at a large piece of canvas.

Coherency and fairness might be two different things. These post-modern liberals have no coherent thinking but arguably they don't apply their self righteous outrage fairly either.

They claim a person born in a fully functioning male body can have a female brain. Likewise, they claim a person born in a fully functioning female body can have a male brain. And so they say having what we term sex changes are the best route for such people. So, they should fairly apply their outrage to the bearded man with a vagina who was born female, staring at the breasts (provocatively displayed) on the woman with a penis who was born male. For the man has offended the woman. Based upon the post-modernist new genesis story of the 1 tree in the garden the man can not eat from, The American Woman, and the fruit on that tree being the breasts waving in the breezy air on The American Woman.


Post-modernist denounces the old crusty Hebrew authors as being unfair in the 1 tree being planted before man to tempt him, in an ancient literary classic. And now they have incoherently come up with their own forbidden tree in a story they have written.



The breasts in and of themselves may not be the temptation. Depending on cultural norms of dress or lack there of. The Afar Muslim women of Africa walk around outdoors shirtless with bare breasts exposed. You get used to seeing something (like ankle or calve) and it can lose some of its forbidden fruit and tempting qualities. Potentially anyways. But in cultures where one is more fully dressed, like America, men aren't usually staring at the breasts of a nun in habit or the breasts of an Amish woman. So, maybe it is not the breasts in and of themselves?






"The American Woman" as a tree of fruit does not force any man to ride upward in the elevator with her. No, she only tempts, and then claims no moral or ethical culpability in the slightest. (feminist).


 
Chomsky said:
Like I said Bucky, I really do believe you can't get your mind around this. Not staring, that is. It's apparent in your posts, this one included.

And you're the only one that can work this out ...
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Can depend on the culture.

American male expats to Brazil have routinely marveled at how when you hold a long look at a Brazilian woman nearly nude on a Brazilian beach, it is not uncommon for *her* to *approach* you and spark a conversation to allow you the chance to court her.

But then Brazilian women pride themselves on a concept called simpatico.
 
FastPace said:
Can depend on the culture.

American male expats to Brazil have routinely marveled at how when you hold a long look at a Brazilian woman nearly nude on a Brazilian beach, it is not uncommon for *her* to *approach* you and spark a conversation to allow you the chance to court her.

But then Brazilian women pride themselves on a concept called simpatico.
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I could see differences in culture.

There was a time when American women traveling in Italy had to endure the occasional pinch on the ass!
 
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Sometimes we can't help but stare! :lamo
 
Bucky said:
I don't wear tight jeans or pants so I am unsure what they would be staring at.
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They're probably undressing you with their eyes. You know like men ( and, yeah, women ) do.:lol:
 
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