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Surviving Gay...Barely[W:76]****

Re: Surviving Gay...Barely

phattonez said:
What evidence do you need to prove that a man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual? It's self-evident.
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Well, if you believe that, then finding research that proves your position should be simple. Go to it.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Well, if you believe that, then finding research that proves your position should be simple. Go to it.
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I find when the statement about 'self evident' is used, quite often, it isn't and almost as often, it is wrong.
 
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phattonez said:
CaptainCourtesy conveniently explains away the homosexual molestation problem by calling anyone who abuses anyone under the age of 18 a pedophile. It's a nice way to totally avoid the problem.
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You are trying to say that every man that molest a boy identified themselves as homosexual. There is no way to know unless a person claims to be homosexual. Most men who molest boys identify as heterosexual they don't fit into the 2% statistic. Many of them have wives or girlfriends.

So you're attempting to pull a dishonest move.
 
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phattonez said:
A 14 year old boy isn't androgynous.



A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual.
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They may be homosexual but most likely they are bisexual. But if they haven't identified themselves as homosexual they don't fit into the 2% statistic.

Earlier you said that was a silly meme. It basically destorys whay you are attempting to say and you can't argue against it. Perhaps that is why you attempted to dismiss it in such a intellectually pathetic way.
 
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phattonez said:
How many monogamous homosexuals do you know? And I mean actual monogamous homosexuals who are exclusively with one partner for many years.
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I am monogamous. I know plenty of other gay people that are the same way.
 
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phattonez said:
What evidence do you need to prove that a man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual? It's self-evident.
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Nothing you've said is self-evident. You are saying that because you know you can't back up what you're saying.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a child molester. He may be a heterosexual, he may be a homosexual. Statistics show that, from a percentage standpoint, it is overwhelmingly likely that he is heterosexual.

Another post. Another example of phattonez getting humiliated due to his ignorance and bigotry on this issue.
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Anybody with any sense at all sses right through this argument.

To make an analogy, most doctors are men. This statement is true. But it doesn't mean that most men are doctors.

He's trying to say most men are doctors because most doctors are men

This doesn't follow. Very few people would even believe that claim so the question then becomes is he just trying to convince stupid people is he trying to convince himself or is he just arguing this position in order to throw a wrench in the works?

The argument is over, he has been proven wrong. So what is the point on doubling down on this illogical assumption?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a child molester. He may be a heterosexual, he may be a homosexual. Statistics show that, from a percentage standpoint, it is overwhelmingly likely that he is heterosexual.

Another post. Another example of phattonez getting humiliated due to his ignorance and bigotry on this issue.
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lol...I remember getting that one wrong too. It took a while before that fact sunk in. It's very difficult to mentally divorce one's mind from the sex of the victim and the orientation of the molester. But, it certainly is required.
 
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phattonez said:
How many monogamous homosexuals do you know? And I mean actual monogamous homosexuals who are exclusively with one partner for many years.
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How disingenuous and hypocritical of you. Christians are among the first to deny gay marriage as a possibility and then go around complaining that gays do not settle down into a comfortable marriage like arrangement with their partners.
 
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phattonez said:
A 14 year old boy isn't androgynous.



A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual.
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What really amuses me here is the similarity. phattonez is using the same trick peadophiles use when trying to justify their choices. He, like them tries to confuse on the age issue by always picking out the end limit of age preference for a peadophile instead of talking about the more younger that peadophiles do in fact prey upon.

So let's see, he is a christian which many peadophiles not only claim to be but like them he also i believe, claims to be a priest of which we do know there is a peadophile ring among the clergy and he also uses the same types of debate tricks that a peadophile uses.

So going with the same vein he is using of just creating associations to back his argument then if we followed his reasoning the associations just mentioned can only lead to one conclusion.
 
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Northern Light said:
Either the standard of living decreases, or the population does. We can't have billions of humans competing for 'all the things'. The world ecology can't handle it.
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Which is why the standard of living increased dramatically from Roman times to the modern age despite the massive increase in population.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a child molester. He may be a heterosexual, he may be a homosexual. Statistics show that, from a percentage standpoint, it is overwhelmingly likely that he is heterosexual.

Another post. Another example of phattonez getting humiliated due to his ignorance and bigotry on this issue.
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I don't know of any straight men who are attracted to 14 year old boys. Not one.
 
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phattonez said:
Which is why the standard of living increased dramatically from Roman times to the modern age despite the massive increase in population.
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They still had the space and plenty of resources to conquer, unlike the modern day world wherein the ecology is on the brink of total collapse.

People need to stop breeding.
 
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phattonez said:
I don't know of any straight men who are attracted to 14 year old boys. Not one.
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Jerry Sandusky.


Now you know of one. :roll:
 
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Northern Light said:
They still had the space and plenty of resources to conquer, unlike the modern day world wherein the ecology is on the brink of total collapse.

People need to stop breeding.
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That's dramatic nonsense that we've been hearing since the 60's and actually even earlier. It's not true. We have plenty of space.

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calamity said:
Jerry Sandusky.


Now you know of one. :roll:
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Lol, a guy who went after young boys, and you think he's straight? Okay.

Tell me, what's the difference between Sandusky, who went after only boys, and Jared Fogle, who went after only girls? Or do you think it's just a coincidence that their victims were all of the same sex?
 
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I am pretty much done entertaining your intentional obtuseness and selective reasoning, phattonez. I clearly said that it was not just about space but also standard of living,, which you keep ignoring because you don't want to acknowledge your own heterocentricism.

And I seriously doubt anyone on this planet would enjoy living in such a densely populated area. There is no evidence that humans thrive at increasing density. If anything they go more crazy.

phattonez said:
That's dramatic nonsense that we've been hearing since the 60's and actually even earlier. It's not true. We have plenty of space.
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phattonez said:
Lol, a guy who went after young boys, and you think he's straight? Okay.

Tell me, what's the difference between Sandusky, who went after only boys, and Jared Fogle, who went after only girls? Or do you think it's just a coincidence that their victims were all of the same sex?
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It has been explained to you ample times in other threads that pedophilia is its own orientation. You cannot draw conclusions about adult homosexuals from adult pedophiles who prefer children of the same-sex. Apples and oranges.

You have a penchant for being wrong over and over again, and no amount of evidence seems to change your mind. Yet you continue to create threads based on your own selection bias whose contents have already been debunked in your previous threads.

Bored now.
 
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phattonez said:
Lol, a guy who went after young boys, and you think he's straight? Okay.

Tell me, what's the difference between Sandusky, who went after only boys, and Jared Fogle, who went after only girls? Or do you think it's just a coincidence that their victims were all of the same sex?
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Sandusky may very well have preferred to molest boys over anything else in life, but he was a heterosexual in every possible way you can define it. Lots of child molesters who molest children of the same sex are living their lives as heterosexuals.
 
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calamity said:
lol...I remember getting that one wrong too. It took a while before that fact sunk in. It's very difficult to mentally divorce one's mind from the sex of the victim and the orientation of the molester. But, it certainly is required.
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Correct. Sexuality is a fairly complex issue. Just think about why one person would be attracted to someone and another would find that same person hideous, for example. The people who believe as phattonez does, other than being ignorant and bigoted on sexuality, also desperately want everything to be black and white and simple so they can have their little labels that help them to understand life, rather than having to actually assess situations in a more challenging way.
 
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phattonez said:
I don't know of any straight men who are attracted to 14 year old boys. Not one.
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Good. So you NOW understand that much of child molestation isn't about attraction. And I've had the displeasure of working with plenty of straight men who molested boys. As I've told you, phattonez, you are uneducated and ignorant on this issue. So much so that you shouldn't even be discussing it. And, when we add to that your inability to understand research, and your refusal to learn HOW to understand research, you should be doing nothing on this issue other than listening.
 
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calamity said:
Sandusky may very well have preferred to molest boys over anything else in life, but he was a heterosexual in every possible way you can define it. Lots of child molesters who molest children of the same sex are living their lives as heterosexuals.
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phattonez doesn't understand the issue. As I said, like a lot of folks like him, in order to make sense of a complex issue like sexuality, he tries to over-simplify it. That over-simplification also feeds his bigotry, so he gets double validation.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Correct. Sexuality is a fairly complex issue. Just think about why one person would be attracted to someone and another would find that same person hideous, for example. The people who believe as phattonez does, other than being ignorant and bigoted on sexuality, also desperately want everything to be black and white and simple so they can have their little labels that help them to understand life, rather than having to actually assess situations in a more challenging way.
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It's one of those things which at first glance seems...how did he put it? Ah, "self evident." The man molests children who are the same sex as him. "He must be homosexual."

I certainly fell into the trap of believing that. But, now I know better. We need to look deeper.

Did or does the child molester pursue homosexual or heterosexual adult sexual relations when he is not molesting children? Is he attracted to men, women or just the boys or girls he can rape?

The child molester's true sexual orientation may not even be possible--they may simply be child molesters, who shun adult sex altogether, or it may be impossible to pinpoint because they live in a web of lies concealing who they really are.

In short--nothing about a child molester is "self evident."
 
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phattonez said:
Lol, a guy who went after young boys, and you think he's straight? Okay.
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no but he probably said he was and the demographics don't go by how someone acts they go by what people say

Tell me, what's the difference between Sandusky, who went after only boys, and Jared Fogle, who went after only girls?
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there isn't any. They're both peadophiles.

That's like wanting to know the difference between a man that kills a woman in a man that kills a man. It is still the same crime

Or do you think it's just a coincidence that their victims were all of the same sex?
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what difference does it make? Sandusky isn't part of the 2% of people that identify as homosexual.

Why do you keep running away from this?
 
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