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Surviving Gay...Barely[W:76]****

Re: Surviving Gay...Barely

phattonez said:
1 in 5 girls are abused.
1 in 20 boys are abused.
Most abusers are men.
There are 49x more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Do the math.
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Evidence is not the same as assertion.
 
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phattonez said:
1 in 5 girls are abused.
1 in 20 boys are abused.
Most abusers are men.
There are 49x more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Do the math.
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There is missing information. How many men that molest boys identify as homosexuals?
 
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phattonez said:
Lol, this is the silliest meme ever.
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No your numbers are wrong. If you're going to consider anybody who molests a child of the same sex a homosexual then the numbers aren't going to add up.

I'm sure you're using the 2% statistic but that only applies to people who identify as homosexual. There are plenty of men who molest boys who don't identify themselves as homosexual.
 
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phattonez said:
Lol, this is the silliest meme ever.
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And let's not forget the 1700 years of sexual abuse on children committed by the Vatican cult. I see you just kind of dropped that.

You support one of the biggest pedophile organizations in the history of mankind.
 
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phattonez said:
It's not common among heterosexuals. It's about 12x more common in homosexual culture based on analysis of child abuse statistics.
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Let's see those statistics so I can take them apart, demonstrate that you don't understand research, and further humiliate your position.
 
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phattonez said:
Oh look, CaptainCourtesy again fudges risk ratios, claiming that it happens more with heterosexuals. Well of course, there are about 49x more heterosexuals than homosexuals. What CaptainCourtesy conveniently ignores is the fact that the odds of a homosexual being a child abuser is far, far higher than the odds of a heterosexual being a child abuser.
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Incorrect. From a percentage standpoint, the statistics are equivelent to the percentage of each in the population. What phattonez doesn't understand about this issue... is far too much to list once again. It's been listed many times, already and pretty much is everything about the issue. The problem with phattonez's position is that he must lie, misrepresent, and remain uneducated on sexuality and research in order for his position to hold any water. Those are really bad qualities in a position.
 
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phattonez said:
1 in 5 girls are abused.
1 in 20 boys are abused.
Most abusers are men.
There are 49x more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Do the math.
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Since most of the male abusers are heterosexual regardless of who they are abusing, the math concludes that you are ignorant on this issue.
 
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phattonez said:
1 in 5 girls are abused.
1 in 20 boys are abused.
Most abusers are men.
There are 49x more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Do the math.
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It is not a matter of maths. The reason behind the numbers are what are more important. A patriarchal western society guard their young female more closely than boys. Children are chosen on there availability not by their gender. Part of the peadophile attraction is about the androgynous nature of the body of a child.

You are making the mistake of associating a male peadophiles molesting a boy as the same as homosexuality. But they are not the same. For the former both genders are victims because of the lack of difference between them. Where as the latter is a desire for males only and not a child's body that lacks all the sexual attraction features of another male.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Let's see those statistics so I can take them apart, demonstrate that you don't understand research, and further humiliate your position.
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He won't present them because he knows he's full of it. I've seen other people give these same statistics and attempt to assume the same thing he is.

I wonder who they think you're fooling with this crap maybe just themselves.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Let's see those statistics so I can take them apart, demonstrate that you don't understand research, and further humiliate your position.
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Most people making that claim will not even attempt to substantiate it because holding onto that lie is a huge part of their belief system.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. From a percentage standpoint, the statistics are equivelent to the percentage of each in the population. What phattonez doesn't understand about this issue... is far too much to list once again. It's been listed many times, already and pretty much is everything about the issue. The problem with phattonez's position is that he must lie, misrepresent, and remain uneducated on sexuality and research in order for his position to hold any water. Those are really bad qualities in a position.
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CaptainCourtesy conveniently explains away the homosexual molestation problem by calling anyone who abuses anyone under the age of 18 a pedophile. It's a nice way to totally avoid the problem.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Since most of the male abusers are heterosexual regardless of who they are abusing, the math concludes that you are ignorant on this issue.
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Most males are heterosexual, so this is meaningless.
 
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soylentgreen said:
It is not a matter of maths. The reason behind the numbers are what are more important. A patriarchal western society guard their young female more closely than boys. Children are chosen on there availability not by their gender. Part of the peadophile attraction is about the androgynous nature of the body of a child.
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A 14 year old boy isn't androgynous.

You are making the mistake of associating a male peadophiles molesting a boy as the same as homosexuality. But they are not the same. For the former both genders are victims because of the lack of difference between them. Where as the latter is a desire for males only and not a child's body that lacks all the sexual attraction features of another male.
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A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual.
 
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I just wanted to comment on the OP, as I'm not interested in the usual pointless discourse about what constitutes a pedophile.

There are so many things I could say about this.

Savage is a polemic commentator. There are many people in the gay world who don't like him. Most of his works subsist of shock value. He has done things that are disagreeable to all sides. But the one thing he has done is been outspoken during a point in time when it wasn't okay to do so. So that's why he has retained popularity.

The second thing is that, not all gay men are so affected. In other words, not all gay men live in the gay village, attend pride, and exhibit the expressions we see from all the stereotypical imagery coming out of San Fransisco. The majority of gay people are just regular people who happen to be gay, and there's nothing more to say about it. It never fails that a Christian fundamentalist takes the most salacious photo of a gay man at pride and says, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" It just proves that you've never really known every day people who are gay. You're working on some kind of fixed constructed in your own mind that is out of touch with reality, and it has made you afraid of the boogey man.

Claiming that gay sex is soulless because it will never produce a child is nothing more than holding court with great prejudice over a way of being that is not understood. People who don't have children, whether by nature of their sexuality or by choice, are doing a great service to this planet. We need fewer human beings, not more. "Go forth and be fruitful" is destroying the planet.
 
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phattonez said:
CaptainCourtesy conveniently explains away the homosexual molestation problem by calling anyone who abuses anyone under the age of 18 a pedophile. It's a nice way to totally avoid the problem.
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Then you will present the evidence to show this won't you?
 
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William Rea said:
Then you will present the evidence to show this won't you?
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What evidence do you need to prove that a man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual? It's self-evident.
 
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Northern Light said:
I just wanted to comment on the OP, as I'm not interested in the usual pointless discourse about what constitutes a pedophile.

There are so many things I could say about this.

Savage is a polemic commentator. There are many people in the gay world who don't like him. Most of his works subsist of shock value. He has done things that are disagreeable to all sides. But the one thing he has done is been outspoken during a point in time when it wasn't okay to do so. So that's why he has retained popularity.

The second thing is that, not all gay men are so affected. In other words, not all gay men live in the gay village, attend pride, and exhibit the expressions we see from all the stereotypical imagery coming out of San Fransisco. The majority of gay people are just regular people who happen to be gay, and there's nothing more to say about it. It never fails that a Christian fundamentalist takes the most salacious photo of a gay man at pride and says, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" It just proves that you've never really known every day people who are gay. You're working on some kind of fixed constructed in your own mind that is out of touch with reality, and it has made you afraid of the boogey man.

Claiming that gay sex is soulless because it will never produce a child is nothing more than holding court with great prejudice over a way of being that is not understood. People who don't have children, whether by nature of their sexuality or by choice, are doing a great service to this planet. We need fewer human beings, not more. "Go forth and be fruitful" is destroying the planet.
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This advice is destroying Europe in a very short amount of time.
 
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phattonez said:
What evidence do you need to prove that a man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual? It's self-evident.
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None of what you have asserted is self evident. That is why you need to present some evidence to justify it.
 
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phattonez said:
This advice is destroying Europe in a very short amount of time.
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Either the standard of living decreases, or the population does. We can't have billions of humans competing for 'all the things'. The world ecology can't handle it.
 
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phattonez said:
A 14 year old boy isn't androgynous.



A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual.
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Picking the eldest age does nothing for your argument. You pick the upper limit at a time when children start on puberty and is about to be discarded rather tan groomed.

No, a man who molests a 14 year old is a rapist and not necessarily a homosexual. Again you only demonstrate a complete dishonesty by creating associations.
 
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phattonez said:
CaptainCourtesy conveniently explains away the homosexual molestation problem by calling anyone who abuses anyone under the age of 18 a pedophile. It's a nice way to totally avoid the problem.
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Since there is no homosexual molestation problem, phattonez needs to lie in order to present his dishonest and bigoted position. AND, phattonez doesn't even know that the term "homosexual molestation" isn't what he thinks it is. Probably because he's completely ignorant on this issue.
 
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phattonez said:
A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a homosexual.
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Incorrect. A man who molests a 14 year old boy is a child molester. He may be a heterosexual, he may be a homosexual. Statistics show that, from a percentage standpoint, it is overwhelmingly likely that he is heterosexual.

Another post. Another example of phattonez getting humiliated due to his ignorance and bigotry on this issue.
 
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