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Woman on Woman Body Shaming

Mom smacks down body shamer at pool - CNN.com




Seriously???? Does this crap really happen for real???

Men at the pool would feel more comfortable??? :doh
Blame the men?
I doubt one man at that pool said anything remotely negative.

Most were probably hoping she'd start breast feeding... :2razz:


Her response deserves :clap:




Although she should have recognized that it was not the men that complained....but just this one woman.

So tell me, who is truly more responsible for "body shaming"?

I've personally known that complaints regarding inappropriate female clothing in the work-place have always come from other women.
(Guys typically don't complain if ladies show more skin)

Is what the older lady did at that pool something that's not uncommon?

I will say that, as a man who tries to be faithful with the way he looks at women not his wife, it does make me a bit not-at-ease when women are dressed very scantily at places like public pools, etc, because it means I have to really work at watching what I'm watching, if that makes sense.

My wife, not wishing to be a stumbling block for others, generally wears one-pieces now, though that was a realization for her. I think women, for all that they (and we) joke about it, often don't realize how much men struggle with lust.


Anywho, Just a well-meaning nuance that will now be deliberately misinterpreted by everyone. Obviously what the older woman did was incredibly rude, and the idea that somehow the woman should only wear a two-piece if she can successfully attract the sexual attention of random other men is unbalanced.
 
Are you suggesting that men have systematically trained women to oppress women?

Obviousy. Men completely control everything women do and think. That's how come we are are so good at knowing what ya'll are thinking and predicting your reactions.


 
piana and they aren't together now anyway

Oh, so you were talking about that rather thin woman in the video with him with the fake boobs?

I didn't really look at her closely. But with my eyes glancing over her in the video she did not look like a bodybuilder to me. Just a woman probably (not certain) into fitness. But like I said... I didn't really look at her. So, maybe she is or was a bodybuilder.




I don't like follow Rich Piana by the way. I just check out on youtube every so often. Sometimes rare blue moons. So, I'm familiar with him but not like one of his tight followers. It's wasn't until this thread I looked him back up on youtube. That's how I heard about and saw this young man Bostin Loyd. Piana was interviewing him. But I guess that had a big falling out.




Why Rich had to bash this kid so badly in an online video I don't know. I think Rich is more about my age (maybe older) and in my opinion we that are older do not need to make videos attacking younger men this badly. I mean this young man in his early 20s or something. It's fine to criticizes the errors of his ways or thinking but you don't need talk about the guy having a small penis etc.

I guess this kind of illustrates SmokesAndMirrors or whatever her name is... about men verbally insulting each other too.






I know, and you are wrong...you are limiting yourself strictly to the world of body building, so you are wrong.

I'm not limiting this to bodybuilding. I was never a bodybuilder.

Look... a physical anthropologist in an anthropology lecture I sat through in college flatly stated that for *men* to *attract* women they have to gain muscle mass. That was a comment he was making per some conclusions from science, namely anthropology (anthropology being the study of humans), he made.

I'm merely using bodybuilders as the male versions of elite, top notch, female models. You know... kind of like feminist females and feminist males constantly point out female models being an unable ideal girls and women look to?

Now, imagine a teenage boy walking depressed to his father and mother with a picture of steroid "freak" male bodybuilder. Then he says all dejected with head down, "Look how big his pecks are? Those massive sized biceps. Look how rock hard his butt is?," [:lol:] and then he goes on to say in all dejected, "I'll never look as good as him." But he says all that in a context in which he just looks at pictures of these guys but never exercises seriously.

Then he would behaving like 99% of teenage girls. Instead, the teenage boy actually pumps iron, buys a bunch of supplements. He spends less time crying and more time doing.

Therein separates 99% of males from 99% of females.



you don't get it at all which is why you agreed with Henrin....you are limiting your understanding and projecting it onto every aspect of western society

I agreed with Henrin because he makes sense a lot. And something in that previous post of his you are mentioning, must have made some sense to me.

Also, I'm speaking about America. Southern Spain and Southern France seem to have different cultures from the USA and I suspect are more suitable for me. Possibly Ghana too or India. I'm really enamored with India. I'm enamored with certain aspects of Brazilian Rio and Bahia cultures too. Certain aspects.



yup...women have it easy...it's just about you...I get it...I really "get it" finally...took me a bit but oh yeah I got it now

A woman raising 5 children off of a very low wage does not have it "easy."

A woman that does not workout, and complains about how she looks in jeans, does not burn less calories than a guy who works out twice a day in each of his workout days, exhausts himself so much he crashes when he sleeps. In biological terms: *work* is essentially the biological utilization of calories. Not so sure what is so difficult in understanding that.

I never insinuated women have it easy to become chefs, astronauts, police officers, ballet dancers, bodybuilders, models or whatever.

I've been saying that women don't have to work out for male and female feminist to sympathize with their complaints about how hard women have it too look good. In other words, no female feminist and male feminist would even grant empathy to a man that never exercised and complained about the same. But they not only empathize with but sympathize with women that do exactly that.
 
Tough. Other people aren't here to be attractive to you. You don't like it, don't go to places where people wear bathing suits. That makes much more sense than you expecting other people to stay covered up to protect your delicate sensibilities.

You sound very peevish about this subject. My sensibilities are far from delicate, and I do not expect anyone to dress in any particular way. Slobs are free to be as slovenly as they please, and I am free to comment on their apparent lack of pride in their appearance. I plan to keep going wherever I please, and to continue to form judgments about who looks presentable in a bathing suit and who would improve the scenery by covering up.
 
I see a lot of people I wish were wearing more clothing. I don't think most of us find large expanses of saggy blubber a very attractive sight. Decorum and shame no longer seem to mean much to tens of millions of people in this country, and it doesn't take a Miss Manners to lament the fact we are fast becoming a nation of slobs.

Pro-tip!!!

Bathing suits by definition cover very little.

If you don't like seeing people wearing revealing clothing - swimming pools and beaches should be avoided.

Shocking right? :roll:

As long as nobody is doing anything illegal - mind your own business.
 
This dude at the 1:45 mark looks fantastic. Well groomed, good looks (or at least average and not "bad"), and great physique. Yet he sees himself as skinny and ugly I guess.

"Bigorexia" as it is coined. The opposite of anorexia.




Published on Sep 20, 2015

Thousands of men are living with an extreme body image disorder known as bigorexia. Experts estimate one-in-ten men training in gyms in the UK may have the condition. It's been compared to anorexia in reverse - where men become obsessed with putting on muscle. It can lead to depression, steroid abuse and in extreme cases, death.




Mainstream American news has even reported on it apparently.


Published on Aug 5, 2016

People with bigorexia, or muscle dysmorphia, have a belief or perception that their body is too small or scrawny.


bigorexia.jpg
 
Ironically, this just popped up on Yahoo.com

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-bodybuilder-posts-transformation-photo-inspire-others-love-181105718--abc-news-lifestyle.html


Former bodybuilder posts transformation photo to inspire others to love their bodies
One Montana woman went from a bodybuilder to a "body lover."

Jolene Jones posted photos of herself -- one as a bodybuilder and another after she gave up a 'grueling gym regimen' -- on Facebook with a message that's so far drawn more than 129,000 positive responses.

"This isn't your typical transformation photo," Jones wrote. "I went from being controlled by my grueling gym regimen and weighing chicken and having protein shakes in my purse to fully enjoying a social life."

I guess this must be her before and after photo: https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/jolene-jones.jpg?w=1799
 
Patriarchy as a whole does, yes.

Who says it's men that trained women to do this I think women did this all on their own.

I've noticed something quite common among women. If one of them is absolutely stunning beautiful and everybody appreciates their beauty less attractive women hate her they will say nasty comments behind her back the same to her face the tell her how she shouldn't wear certain clothes how she's being lewd by simply existing and I really think it all stems from Envy.

This isn't the patriarchy invention it is human nature. Being jealous of things you don't have is natural I would even go as far as to say it's healthy.

Wanting things you don't have is how we accomplish things.

But from my observation this has nothing to do with the men. Men and women for that matter simply look at people who are attractive to them. That isn't patriarchy that isn't some hierarchy in the system of government or anything that is nature.
 
Who says it's men that trained women to do this I think women did this all on their own.

I've noticed something quite common among women. If one of them is absolutely stunning beautiful and everybody appreciates their beauty less attractive women hate her they will say nasty comments behind her back the same to her face the tell her how she shouldn't wear certain clothes how she's being lewd by simply existing and I really think it all stems from Envy.

This isn't the patriarchy invention it is human nature. Being jealous of things you don't have is natural I would even go as far as to say it's healthy.

Wanting things you don't have is how we accomplish things.

But from my observation this has nothing to do with the men. Men and women for that matter simply look at people who are attractive to them. That isn't patriarchy that isn't some hierarchy in the system of government or anything that is nature.

Once again, read my posts. This is not about "men." That is not how society or culture works. To be honest, I can't be bothered to spoon-feed this to people who still seem to think men and women are different species, so either you're going to get this or you're not and it's really no skin off my nose. Anyway...

I've never seen any such thing. I think men such as you who seem to take personal slight to the suggestion that the entire universe isn't about you have simply made this up.

But in disadvantaged places where women's options are restricted, I have seen particularly pretty and charming women make other women nervous.

Now, why do you think that might be, in a society that values women as arm candy more than people, hm?
 
Once again, read my posts. This is not about "men."
then it can't be about patriarchy.

That is not how society or culture works. To be honest, I can't be bothered to spoon-feed this to people who still seem to think men and women are different species, so either you're going to get this or you're not and it's really no skin off my nose. Anyway...
if you just didn't pigeonhole people you wouldn't need to feel this way.

The meaning of patriarchy is a societal system where men are in charge so you can't say it's not about men but it's patriarchy patriarchy is men in charge. I can't believe you need to be spoon-fed this.

I've never seen any such thing. I think men such as you who seem to take personal slight to the suggestion that the entire universe isn't about you have simply made this up.
this paragraph makes no sense.

But in disadvantaged places where women's options are restricted, I have seen particularly pretty and charming women make other women nervous.
perhaps they make insecure women nervous. This is something men had to deal with when we were little boys I don't understand why it's such a big deal that you're faced with it now.

Now, why do you think that might be, in a society that values women as arm candy more than people, hm?
so wait are you saying women aren't people or just pretty ones aren't?

I don't know of such a society. Western culture the society I live in and they seem to how you went in for more than just being arm candy whatever the f*** that is.
 
...Do you think it's a coincidence that this older woman grew up in an intensely objectifying culture, and then espouses objectifying things onto other women?

Being a woman doesn't free a person from the psychological affects of sexism. It magnifies them, if anything. After all, women are the targets of said sexism, and there is no better way to continue oppressing people than to get your targets to do your dirty work for you.

That isn't to say this woman should get away with body-shaming someone even remotely. If that had been said to me, I wouldn't bother justifying myself. I'd just straight up tell her to get ****ed and learn some manners and to stop trying to hide her own insecurity by bashing other women. But anyway...

If the hinted conclusion I'm supposed to reach is that the problem is that women are catty bitches, and not that larger society is sexist, well, guess what I'm gonna ask you...

Do you think you would feel that way about women if you yourself hadn't been raised to believe women are catty bitches all your life?

You're right, it's men's fault. Particularly white men's fault. Rap music is full of sexism against women, but it's not polite to point that out, so we can safely say that white men are the cause of everything bad in the world.
 
You're right, it's men's fault. Particularly white men's fault.
I pretty much said the same thing to her and she said if this makes any kind of sense it's not men it's the patriarchy as if the patriarchy is a completely separate thing than men. A patriarch is a man to my understanding but apparently not in feminist La La Land.

Rap music is full of sexism against women, but it's not polite to point that out, so we can safely say that white men are the cause of everything bad in the world.

It seems to be the m.o. and personally I've gotten to the point where I'm damned for just being so why should I give a s*** about these issues.

The patriarchy is an imaginary Boogeyman so is racism and homophobia.

So when I see people complain about it it really kind of sends the message to me that they have problems in their life and that they refused to take responsibility for and they blame these Boogeyman Concepts that don't exist.

Appointing oneself as a spokes mouth for these groups is it very lucrative move and it doesn't take you much time. Some of the people who perpetuate this nonsense are manipulators and the people that buy into it are manipulated.

When the most important thing to you is not being responsible for yourself you can be easily manipulated. If I'm simply charismatic enough and say "it isn't your fault that's because the Martians that control our government want you where you are."

This may be funny and frankly it's meant to be but you just swap out Martian for patriarchy or the white man or cisgendered people or heterosexuals The Narrative works.

It's really sad.
 
I pretty much said the same thing to her and she said if this makes any kind of sense it's not men it's the patriarchy as if the patriarchy is a completely separate thing than men. A patriarch is a man to my understanding but apparently not in feminist La La Land.



It seems to be the m.o. and personally I've gotten to the point where I'm damned for just being so why should I give a s*** about these issues.

The patriarchy is an imaginary Boogeyman so is racism and homophobia.

So when I see people complain about it it really kind of sends the message to me that they have problems in their life and that they refused to take responsibility for and they blame these Boogeyman Concepts that don't exist.

Appointing oneself as a spokes mouth for these groups is it very lucrative move and it doesn't take you much time. Some of the people who perpetuate this nonsense are manipulators and the people that buy into it are manipulated.

When the most important thing to you is not being responsible for yourself you can be easily manipulated. If I'm simply charismatic enough and say "it isn't your fault that's because the Martians that control our government want you where you are."

This may be funny and frankly it's meant to be but you just swap out Martian for patriarchy or the white man or cisgendered people or heterosexuals The Narrative works.

It's really sad.

Most women I know think the whole idea about blaming 'the patriarchy' is ridiculous. I think there's a tiny minority of women who embraced the idea of the ever oppressive patriarchy in college, and they just haven't given up on that scapegoat yet.

Women hold most of the cards when it comes to dating/relationships. Some women choose poorly, and end up with excessive baggage from dating the wrong guys. My theory is that women who've been misused by the men they've chosen need someone to blame, and it damn sure isn't going to be themselves. So they latch onto the unfounded belief that there's an all-powerful, omnipresent force that is the cause of their troubles, namely patriarchy.
 
I realize this thread is a bit stale, and I'm going off topic a little, but I just saw that Rich Piana who was mentioned several times in this thread has been hospitalized for a possible drug overdose or possible suicide. He is in a medically induced coma if that tells us anything.

It will be interesting to find out more details because I would assume that they guy is financially very secure, and he get's plenty of attention, so if it does turn out to be a suicide attempt, what would cause him to do that. If it was just an accidental drug overdose, I wonder what type of drugs.
 
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