"We want to make what's intimate, public."

AGENT J said:

1.) Hmm interesting . . thanks!
I wonder if thats more common in certain areas than others. Ive done some hiring (25+ people) and interviewing (100+) over my career and Ive actually never had anybody tell me randomly they are christian. If they did, again I wouldn't think much of it because I am too. The things you state to ask IMO would be their responsibility to know or ask. Now mind you if I was looking for somethign VERY specific, like work every sunday or something of that nature that wasn't obvious in the job description I would of course ask. Otherwise that person should be fully aware of working hours or schedules and ask (if its outside of normal expectations)

Now also with that said all my experience has been in manufacturing, engineering and production. So my mind set is of that nature . . language is rougher than a company that has nothign but cube farms I imagine so I would never think to ask and sunday work can happen but typically has always been voluntary OT or rotational. If it was rotational or the possibility of mandatory it was simply always presented no matter the person.

As far as the bunch bowl being spike lol thats always been controlled strictly by HR or the the biggest Boss where i have worked and again since it would be voluntary i would never think to ask if a person cared. They are free not to participate.

2.) I agree and I often do play it by ear but the things you suggest i have never thought of. But again, its probably because I have never had anybody tell me they are christian. Nor have I done hiring without a proper informative job description or talks about job requirements/expectations where any of that would be a surprise. I think thats the most important and through thing. Ive never felt motivated to give any of it special attention based on religion.

And to be honest when it does seem like somethign needs special attention that usually means its NOT a good fit.

Lastly have you ever had somebody announce they are christian?

Im thinking due to my location, jobs i hire for (engineers, IT and techs) I wont come accross this much if at all. Anyway . . thats still interesting, thanks again!

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I have also done a lot of interviewing and hiring and I don't think anybody has ever announced that they were a Christian up front. I have had some tell me they would not want to work Sundays because of church, etc. But we are dealing with a hypothetical here and if a person did volunteer to me that they were Christian, I would take that as having a purpose over and above just casual conversation.

AlbqOwl said:

I have also done a lot of interviewing and hiring and I don't think anybody has ever announced that they were a Christian up front. I have had some tell me they would not want to work Sundays because of church, etc. But we are dealing with a hypothetical here and if a person did volunteer to me that they were Christian, I would take that as having a purpose over and above just casual conversation.

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I would completely agree. I guess until now i don't actually know what I would do.

I believe I would shrug it off cause who cares. The announcement part, I would find extremely weird and odd but it would just be internal. I probably couldn't help to work back to it some way to see what it was about but to be honest as long as I was already confident in job description, requirements and expectations (which they sign and agree too) I would just move on cause I would't care.

AGENT J said:

How does this step on the wishes to preserve children of innocence?
After that where does that end and why does it actually matter?

Im asking because rights and freedom > than ones opinion of "innocence" and I be impressed if theres a logical defense of such a claim, especially one that isn;t already done in society 100 different other ways or by different opinions. Please share . .

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Drag queen’s sexually charged act for public school talent show done in front of kids as young as 5

"Parents are livid after a grown man dressed in drag took the stage at a New York City public school’s talent show last week and gave a sexually driven lip-sync performance — including pelvic gyrations and G-string flashes — in front of kids as young as 5 years old, the New York Daily News reported.

Even though the May 25 event featured students from Manhattan’s District 4, the raunchy performer was identified as a parent association president"

Theres a time and a place for everything. Kids talent show really is not the place for a strip show of any type.

akyron said:

Drag queen’s sexually charged act for public school talent show done in front of kids as young as 5

"Parents are livid after a grown man dressed in drag took the stage at a New York City public school’s talent show last week and gave a sexually driven lip-sync performance — including pelvic gyrations and G-string flashes — in front of kids as young as 5 years old, the New York Daily News reported.

Even though the May 25 event featured students from Manhattan’s District 4, the raunchy performer was identified as a parent association president"

Theres a time and a place for everything. Kids talent show really is not the place for a strip show of any type.

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Agreed, now your random meaningless strawman aside Ill ask you my questions again since you didnt answer even one of them.

How does this (allowing equal rights) step on the wishes to preserve children of innocence?
After that where does that end and why does it actually matter?

Im asking because rights and freedom > than ones opinion of "innocence" and I'll be impressed if theres a logical defense of such a claim, especially one that isn't already done in society 100 different other ways or by different opinions. Please share . .

Please answer this time, thanks

AGENT J said:

Agreed, now your random meaningless strawman aside Ill ask you my questions again since you didnt answer even one of them.

How does this (allowing equal rights) step on the wishes to preserve children of innocence?
After that where does that end and why does it actually matter?

Im asking because rights and freedom > than ones opinion of "innocence" and I'll be impressed if theres a logical defense of such a claim, especially one that isn't already done in society 100 different other ways or by different opinions. Please share . .

Please answer this time, thanks

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If you are saying this gentleman has the equal right to expose himself to an arena full of children, people, whatever in general that have not agreed to it then I would respectfully disagree.

Apologies if "making the intimate public" is not applicable to this thread. It was not random or meaningless to me as it was recent national news and of direct impact to parents rights to decide their childrens information flow level.

Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

akyron said:

1.) If you are saying this gentleman has the equal right to expose himself to an arena full of children, people, whatever in general that have not agreed to it then I would respectfully disagree.
2.)Apologies if "making the intimate public" is not applicable to this thread. It was not random or meaningless to me as it was recent national news and of direct impact to parents rights to decide their childrens information flow level.

Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

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1.) how you you ever come to such a retarded and illogical assumption? A.) your story has nothing to do with my questions to you B.) your story has nothing to do with the thread topic and C.) I even bolded part of your post and said I agree with it Now quit stalling, deflecting and answer my questions LMAO
2.) again the link has nothign to do with my questions or this thread, just you stalling (also FYI no parents rights were violated in your story)

SO here we are AGAIN I repeat:

"How does this (allowing equal rights aka marriage) step on the wishes to preserve children of innocence?
After that where does that end and why does it actually matter?

Im asking because rights and freedom > than ones opinion of "innocence" and I'll be impressed if theres a logical defense of such a claim, especially one that isn't already done in society 100 different other ways or by different opinions. Please share . ."

for the third time, please answer, thanks


I bet you dodge the questions and run from them again

AGENT J said:

"How does this (allowing equal rights aka marriage) step on the wishes to preserve children of innocence?
After that where does that end and why does it actually matter?

Im asking because rights and freedom > than ones opinion of "innocence" and I'll be impressed if theres a logical defense of such a claim, especially one that isn't already done in society 100 different other ways or by different opinions. Please share . ."

for the third time, please answer, thanks

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In my own humble opinion marriage has become a farce and there should be no financial incentive to get married from any government. As to where it ends the potential marriage partners has already reached the absurd.

Why I Married Myself These women dedicated their lives to self-love.

Parents keeping their kids "kids" is a wish and a struggle on the best of days as someone said previously. I am not so naive to think thats all children will be able to have a wonderful childhood. That does not make it less of a worthy goal. I dont subscribe to preventing anyone from marrying their favorite shoe if they want to but traditionally the family unit is tried and tested over the course of history.

That being said. For the purpose of childrens innocence, best interest, and long term outcomes:

In a contest between the desires of some and the needs of children in general, allowing the children to lose is not a great option. People will take issue with that but
kids need more than love. The distinctive qualities and complementary natures of a male and female parent have proven key to their well being for thousands of years. The accumulated wisdom of millennia indicates ideal marital and parental configuration consists of one man and one woman.

Thats just one opinion coming from witnessing the long suffering of a pair of acquaintances going through some of these types of issues with their kids.

Thats pretty straightforward. Good night.
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"There was a young couple that had trouble conceiving a child. They had given up all hope when one day the woman found out she was pregnant. The young mother-to-be was thrilled beyond words and her husband was equally, if not more, excited.

The blessed day soon arrived and the couple was holding a healthy baby boy in their arms. The mother was enjoying her new role as a mother and the father soon began a weekend ritual of bouncing his son on his knee as they watched college and pro football together. In fact, the first gift the father purchased for his son was a football. Before they knew it, their son was big enough to toss the football with his father in their back yard. Even though the young boy dropped the ball more than he caught it, his father was quite pleased.

Each day, after work, the father would rush home so he could play football with his son. Soon, his son was playing organized football at the local park and so the father volunteered to coach his team so he could spend even more time with him and teach him all the nuances of football. His son began to show signs of talent in the sport and the father was very happy.

The son went on to become the local superstar in high school. The boy’s father decided to take an earlier shift at work so he could attend every practice and the games on Friday nights. He never missed a practice or a game in his son’s high school career. He sat silently in the stands, not boastful of his son but with a great sense of pride.

The boy was scouted by all of the big Division I Universities, and decided to attend a school on the other side of the country. So the father got a second job so he and his wife could afford to travel around the country following his son’s college football games. In four years, the father never missed a game. He still sat silently in the stands as his pride increased. No father was ever more proud of the accomplishments of their son – this man was the epitome of a supportive and loving dad.

The son’s accomplishments made him the first player chosen in the NFL Draft. His father’s tear streaked face showed even more evidence of the love and pride he had for his son. It was a tremendous day for the father and the son. The father could hardly wait for his son’s first professional game. Unfortunately, the father would not be able to attend the game but watched every snap intently. Then the moment came, his son scored his first touchdown. His father leapt to his feet cheering at the top of his lungs. The camera followed the rookie off the field as he headed toward the bench to rest. The man soon saw his son’s face on the television holding up one finger indicating his team was number one – and has the camera zoomed in the man read his son’s lips as he looked at the camera and mouthed, “Hi Mom!”

Happy Father’s Day!"

akyron said:

1.)In my own humble opinion marriage has become a farce and there should be no financial incentive to get married from any government. As to where it ends the potential marriage partners has already reached the absurd.

2.) That being said. For the purpose of children's innocence, best interest, and long term outcomes:

3.) Thats pretty straightforward.

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1.) so in your opinion only what you think marriage is matters and you want it forced on everybody else, got it . . luckily we live in a free country with rights and you are free to have your opinion but even more lucky than that your opinion is meaningless to laws ans rights.
2.) explain how equal rights is a negative for innocence, best interest, and long term outcomes of children.
You opinion of best scenario being male/female is fine but that doesn't justify denying equal rights to others. whats even more illogical is many children dont have any home and its already been proven that a loving home is just as good as a male/female home and certainly better than none. Not to mention the many many people that children have nothing to do with their marriage.
3.) yes it is, its pretty straight forward that you have no real rational and logic reason to be against equal rights nor can you present any sound logic to how equal rights hurts childrens innocence
4.) At least this time you tried to answer some of the questions but unfortunately the answers are lacking any real reason to be against equal rights. Nobody honest will buy or put any stock in your transparent cover of "its for the children" because it laughable and has zero logic to support it. Allowing equal rights and marriage to be unions made up of man/woman, man/man, woman/woman does nothing to "children's innocence" in any real significant way. In fact a way more solid logical argument could easily be made that denying equal rights damages kids more.

So in the end i just have one simple question. Do you support equal rights on marriage (m/f, m/m, f/f), yes or no

AGENT J said:

1.) so in your opinion only what you think marriage is matters

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No. Thats why its just an opinion and I was against marriage laws to begin with.

akyron said:

No. Thats why its just an opinion and I was against marriage laws to begin with.

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What specific marriage laws are you against?
And you didnt answer my question again . . Do you support equal rights on marriage (m/f, m/m, f/f), yes or no?

AGENT J said:

What specific marriage laws are you against?
And you didnt answer my question again . . Do you support equal rights on marriage (m/f, m/m, f/f), yes or no?

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Oh. I said no. Repeal all marriage laws. Theres no need for government involvement.

akyron said:

1.) Oh. I said no. Repeal all marriage laws.
2.) Theres no need for government involvement.

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1.) so why are you against equal rights? you dont believe in rights and freedoms and the constitution?
2.) if you want a legal contract of course there is, otherwise you are already free to have a marriage without the government involved. Its already like that right now so whats you disagreement with a government contract?

You are already free to get married without the government involved.

AGENT J said:

1.) so why are you against equal rights? .

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If you want to stand in front of your friends and family and declare your commitment to whomever and whatever feel free.

You dont need a tax break, law, or to consult me or anyone else about it.

My personal preference is the time honored traditional family but I have no right to infringe upon anyone else or them me.

Why one would even want to force someone to make a cake from them that disagrees with their lifestyle based on any grounds is beyond me.


Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

“Truly frightening” that Phillips will be forced to submit quarterly reports to the government disclosing whether he turned away any wedding cake business.
“There will be some reporting requirements so that Jack can demonstrate that he doesn’t exercise his belief system anymore – that he has divested himself of his beliefs,” she said.

The rights of the baker were just *flushed*.

akyron said:

1.)If you want to stand in front of your friends and family and declare your commitment to whomever and whatever feel free. You dont need a tax break, law, or to consult me or anyone else about it.
2.) My personal preference is the time honored traditional family but I have no right to infringe upon anyone else or them me.

Why one would even want to force someone to make a cake from them that disagrees with their lifestyle based on any grounds is beyond me.


Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

“Truly frightening” that Phillips will be forced to submit quarterly reports to the government disclosing whether he turned away any wedding cake business.
“There will be some reporting requirements so that Jack can demonstrate that he doesn’t exercise his belief system anymore – that he has divested himself of his beliefs,” she said.

4.) The rights of the baker were just *flushed*.

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1.) Thanks for that opinion but it doesnt matter to my questions.
2.) "time honored traditional family" which is somethign you simply choose to make up based on your subjective feelings, again meaningless to my questions but luckily you liev in a country where you can feel that way
3.) no matter what type of link you present with lies in the headlines from an OPINION source NOBODY has been forced to back a cake, please stop with dishonesty of that nature nobody honest educated and objective. takes it seriously

Jack phillips is a moron, bigot and bigot of a very special kind. It takes a special type of stupid to CHOOSE and AGREE to open a certain type of business that has rules and laws that regulate it, then CHOOSE to be a criminal and brak the law and think he get special treatment. The law is the same for us all, he gets no special treatment and next time the dummy will know better.

4.) and yet ANOTHER lie, the baker lost ZERO rights. if you disagree please simply list the right he lost, thanks

and Ill ask again, why are you against equal rights? you dont believe in rights and freedoms and the constitution?
and ill state this fact again,You are already free to get married without the government involved.

AGENT J said:

1.) Thanks for that opinion but it doesnt matter to my questions.
2.) "time honored traditional family" which is somethign you simply choose to make up based on your subjective feelings, again meaningless to my questions but luckily you liev in a country where you can feel that way.

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And a millennia of historical success of course.

AGENT J said:

3.) no matter what type of link you present with lies in the headlines from an OPINION source NOBODY has been forced to back a cake, please stop with dishonesty of that nature nobody honest educated and objective. takes it seriously.

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"An order handed down by Colorado's Civil Rights Commission on a local Christian baker forcing him to undergo sensitivity training after he refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding citing his faith is "vague," "lousy" and pointless, says his lawyer.

Last Friday, the commission ruled that Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado, could not refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings citing his Christian faith and ordered him to undergo sensitivity training."

The business seems to have felt it serious enough to try to fight for their rights but lost of course. The right to run their own business as they see fit according to their own belief system..

AGENT J said:

why are you against equal rights? you dont believe in rights and freedoms and the constitution? [/FONT][/COLOR]

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I guess that business owner might ask you the exact same questions.

Why does this have to be a black and white for or against question to you?
Have you stopped beating your wife lately? You arent a good muslim if you dont jihad. You arent a good christian if you dont attend church on sunday.
These extremist views need to come to an end. Unfortunately I dont see a great amount of reason arriving anytime soon with cnn doing an exorcist child impression daily and fox tagging along for the ratings ride..

I already indicated dont care about this issue beyond the tax monies. It doesnt affect me beyond that and the deterioration of the family unit that is the foundation of the country. Its all too far gone my now anyway with elementary school stripshows being in the news these days.

AGENT J said:

and ill state this fact again,You are already free to get married without the government involved.

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Perhaps it just all lies designed to distract from real issues as you seem to indicate.

Bottom line:
I dont owe you or anyone else any answers. We each have to find them ourselves eventually.
The best we can do is examine the issues the best we can and hope for light on the other side.

akyron said:

1.)And a millennia of historical success of course.

2.)"An order handed down by Colorado's Civil Rights Commission on a local Christian baker forcing him to undergo sensitivity training after he refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding citing his faith is "vague," "lousy" and pointless, says his lawyer.

Last Friday, the commission ruled that Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado, could not refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings citing his Christian faith and ordered him to undergo sensitivity training."

The business seems to have felt it serious enough to try to fight for their rights but lost of course. The right to run their own business as they see fit according to their own belief system..

3.)I guess that business owner might ask you the exact same questions.
4.) Why does this have to be a black and white for or against question to you?
5.)Have you stopped beating your wife lately? You arent a good muslim if you dont jihad. You arent a good christian if you dont attend church on sunday.
These extremist views need to come to an end. Unfortunately I dont see a great amount of reason arriving anytime soon with cnn doing an exorcist child impression daily and fox tagging along for the ratings ride..
6.) I already indicated dont care about this issue beyond the tax monies.
7.) It doesnt affect me beyond that and the deterioration of the family unit that is the foundation of the country.
8.) Its all too far gone my now anyway with elementary school stripshows being in the news these days.
9.)Perhaps it just all lies designed to distract from real issues as you seem to indicate.

Bottom line:
I dont owe you or anyone else any answers. We each have to find them ourselves eventually.
The best we can do is examine the issues the best we can and hope for light on the other side.

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1.) 100% false again just somethign you made up based on your opinion and subjective feelings. Luckily like i said, it doesnt matter.
2.) thank you for proving my point, NOTHING in that article supports the lie you stated. Fact remains in regards to this topic NOBODY has been forced to back a cake. Either stop posting that lie or post proof otherwise.
3.) he could ask me whatever he wants but just like your posts he would majorly fail and get exposed because facts and equal rights are on his side.
now instead of deflecting feel free to answer the question instead of dodging.
4.) who said it has to? but in this specif case it is. This thread as a clear topic you just seem to be running full speed away from it.
5.) I agree extremist views are terrible. Good thing nothign in my posts have anything to do with extremist views. Its just another deflection from you.
6.) yet you are dodging question left and right.
7.) deteration of your opinion of family you mean and what you FEEL the foundation of the country is. NOTHING MORE
8.) Really? that strawman again that has nothign to do with this topic or the question i asked you are running from? LMAO
9.) aaaaaaaand another dodge . . sigh . . I was hoping for HONEST conversation but i guess not

Facts
nobody was forced to bake a cake based on equal rights
that baker didnt lose any rights

unless you can prove otherwise those facts will simply stand regardless of spin and deflections. thanks