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The Serena and McEnroe Kerfuffle

Henrin said:
If she the greatest player of all time then she shouldn't have holes in her game like she does.
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She's not the greatest of all time, some dude is. :)
 
calamity said:
She's not the greatest of all time, some dude is. :)
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Federer had a better overall game in his prime than she did in her prime hands down. Heck, I would take Ferrer in his prime over her in her prime in terms of overall game. His game is pretty awesome though, imho.
 
Henrin said:
It does no such thing. When evaluating players you look at their game and their results, not just their results. You should also evaluate why they won, like for example, how she didn't win with her overall skill level, but with so much power that her opponents couldn't handle it.
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Results are what matter in evaluating great players. She has better results than any other female play in history. She's won on every surface. More than anyone else. Even when violently ill.

IOW, she is a great player.

That simple fact seems to elude you. Keep digging that hole!
 
Simple solution. Kill the Womens Pro Tennis circuit. Let the women compete with the men as equals.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Results are what matter in evaluating great players. She has better results than any other female play in history. She's won on every surface. More than anyone else. Even when violently ill.

IOW, she is a great player.

That simple fact seems to elude you. Keep digging that hole!
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Never become a coach..ever. Remember that because I would hate for you to tell some kid they are amazing for no other reason than they won.
 
Henrin said:
Federer had a better overall game in his prime than she did in her prime hands down. Heck, I would take Ferrer in his prime over her in her prime in terms of overall game. His game is pretty awesome though, imho.
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She wouldn't return a single one of his serves, and she would even have trouble catching up to a single one of his returns. Her serve would look to him like slow motion, and he'd smack it to wherever he wanted. His serve to her would look like a bullet...I doubt she'd even see it.

It would be much like a high school kid who was really good at baseball trying to see a Chapman fastball for the first time. No chance.
 
calamity said:
At first, I was going to throw this into Sports, but then I decided it probably fits better here because the discussion is bit more political than just regular sport talk.

Summing up: During an NPR interview, McEnroe said Serena is the best women's tennis player in history. The NPR reporter--a female--said, "Why add the qualifier, best woman?" Mac kind of flips--you know Johnny Mac--and basically spouts out that she is nowhere near the best tennis player ever when compared to men, going on further to say, she would not even rank in the top 700.

So, What's the beef? Serena would probably get smoked by any accomplished male tennis player, maybe even some kid playing college tennis on scholarship. It's a no brainier. Have we really reached a point where the obvious can no longer be stated because it's not PC?

Here's someone else's thoughts on this.



Hence, it's a Kerfuffle.
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If you are just now learning that Lewis Carroll could today get in trouble talking about the Queen of Spades, I really don't know, where you might have been.
 
calamity said:
She wouldn't return a single one of his serves, and she would even have trouble catching up to a single one of his returns. Her serve would look to him like slow motion, and he'd smack it to wherever he wanted. His serve to her would look like a bullet...I doubt she'd even see it.
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The placement of his kick serve in his prime was retarded good. He would put that thing right up against the net in the corner and it would kick so hard that it would go probably ten feet into the air. Geez. Good luck to anyone hoping to return that because you're not going too.
 
VanceMack said:
Simple solution. Kill the Womens Pro Tennis circuit. Let the women compete with the men as equals.
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lol...you know. There are probably people out there who think that would work.
 
calamity said:
At first, I was going to throw this into Sports, but then I decided it probably fits better here because the discussion is bit more political than just regular sport talk.

Summing up: During an NPR interview, McEnroe said Serena is the best women's tennis player in history. The NPR reporter--a female--said, "Why add the qualifier, best woman?" Mac kind of flips--you know Johnny Mac--and basically spouts out that she is nowhere near the best tennis player ever when compared to men, going on further to say, she would not even rank in the top 700.

So, What's the beef? Serena would probably get smoked by any accomplished male tennis player, maybe even some kid playing college tennis on scholarship. It's a no brainier. Have we really reached a point where the obvious can no longer be stated because it's not PC?

Here's someone else's thoughts on this.



Hence, it's a Kerfuffle.
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wasn't this already resolved by and between billy jean king and bobby riggs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)
 
Henrin said:
Never become a coach..ever. Remember that because I would hate for you to tell some kid they are amazing for no other reason than they won.
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I wouldn't tell anyone that.

Sorry that your laughable ignorance of the game of Tennis has been exposed.
 
Henrin said:
The placement of his kick serve in his prime was retarded good. He would put that thing right up against the net in the corner and it would kick so hard that it would go probably ten feet into the air. Geez. Good luck to anyone hoping to return that because you're not going too.
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Fed is actually slow compared to this guy.

 
Tanngrisnir said:
I wouldn't tell anyone that.

Sorry that your laughable ignorance of the game of Tennis has been exposed.
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The only ignorance that has been exposed is yours.
 
calamity said:
At first, I was going to throw this into Sports, but then I decided it probably fits better here because the discussion is bit more political than just regular sport talk.

Summing up: During an NPR interview, McEnroe said Serena is the best women's tennis player in history. The NPR reporter--a female--said, "Why add the qualifier, best woman?" Mac kind of flips--you know Johnny Mac--and basically spouts out that she is nowhere near the best tennis player ever when compared to men, going on further to say, she would not even rank in the top 700.

So, What's the beef? Serena would probably get smoked by any accomplished male tennis player, maybe even some kid playing college tennis on scholarship. It's a no brainier. Have we really reached a point where the obvious can no longer be stated because it's not PC?

Here's someone else's thoughts on this.



Hence, it's a Kerfuffle.
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We have been quiet on the obvious discrimination of segregated sports.
 
calamity said:
Fed is actually slow compared to this guy.

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It wasn't the speed of his serve that puts him above and beyond others, but that stupid good placement of his.
 
calamity said:
lol...you know. There are probably people out there who think that would work.
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It would definitely put the argument to bed once and for all.
 
VanceMack said:
It would definitely put the argument to bed once and for all.
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Well...to be fair, I believe anyone thinking this through would agree that there is no argument. What we have though is PC run amok, which is clouding the judgement of many. :)
 
Henrin said:
It wasn't the speed of his serve that puts him above and beyond others, but that stupid good placement of his.
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Probably. Roger beat that Groth guy.
 
calamity said:
Well...to be fair, I believe anyone thinking this through would agree that there is no argument. What we have though is PC run amok, which is clouding the judgement of many. :)
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I'm sure even Serena would admit she ain't going to beat the Top 5 Men's Tennis players ... but maybe 7 or 8 could have a problem :2razz:
 
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