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12 year old lesbian gets the smack down from her Morman church

Moot said:
I agree with you...religion needs to evolve with the times and the people they serve and if they don't they will become irrelevant. The LDS church is grappling with that now as far as LGTBs are concerned as evidenced by the number of podcasts devoted to the subject on our local NPR station....

LDS History, Faith, and Culture | RadioWest


The podcast of "Saving Alex" shows what can happen when a young Mormon declare themselves to be gay....

Saving Alex | RadioWest
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Thanks for sharing the podcast. I'm still listening to it. I'm half way through and so far....Wow!, poor girl. Incredible emotional/mental/physical abuse by the church. Parents who are like this young lady's...deplorable and how the **** can they be so lost?

Amazing at the negative, antiquated dogma people are willing to believe. :shrug:
 
CLAX1911 said:
Generally speaking the Mormons don't automatically ban gay members. Mormons have some rather odd beliefs. And to explain the issue of lesbianism you first have to know these beliefs.

If you're interested I'll explain them, if not it's okay.

Basically women who don't have a husband don't go to "mormon heaven." Which is different than Christian heaven. That's a whole other diatribe.
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Mormon's won't ban a person for being gay as long as the pledge not to act on their sexual urges. :roll:

Talking about a unrealistic honor system. Who the hell is going to fess up knowing the consequences?
 
straykatz said:
I saw the same thing happen to a dear friend of mine.... only difference in his case it was JW family and friends that shunned him. On the flip side - his partner's family is very loving and accepting so he does have an extended family circle but it still pains him to be shunned by his own family. There is no way anyone can convince me that a person makes the choice to be gay.....IMO it is not a choice just like being heterosexual is not a choice..you either are or you aren't.
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JWs are a lot more cultish in that regard. They do have doctrine that commands them to shun people that break their rules and if you don't shun you also get shunned.

As for heaven I don't really know, i think they believe only 144,000 people through all time get saved.
 
Removable Mind said:
Mormon's won't ban a person for being gay as long as the pledge not to act on their sexual urges. :roll:

Talking about a unrealistic honor system. Who the hell is going to fess up knowing the consequences?
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I wonder what "acting on it" means. My partner was caught kissing a boy
 
CLAX1911 said:
JWs are a lot more cultish in that regard. They do have doctrine that commands them to shun people that break their rules and if you don't shun you also get shunned.

As for heaven I don't really know, i think they believe only 144,000 people through all time get saved.
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Not true...144,000 will reign with Christ in heaven over the earth...there will be a great crowd of people who will live on a paradise earth, as God purposed when He created Adam and Eve...
 
CLAX1911 said:
I wonder what "acting on it" means. My partner was caught kissing a boy
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I'm guessing that that's probably a Mormon "no-no".

I wonder how people, in general, would think of gay individuals if the word, "homorelational" was used instead of "homosexual"? Or even heterorelational instead of heterosexual?

Maybe the part of those words, "sexual" freaks people out?
 
Removable Mind said:
I'm guessing that that's probably a Mormon "no-no".

I wonder how people, in general, would think of gay individuals if the word, "homorelational" was used instead of "homosexual"? Or even heterorelational instead of heterosexual?

Maybe the part of those words, "sexual" freaks people out?
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I think it's more to do with the idea that it spreads.
 
Removable Mind said:
I'm guessing that that's probably a Mormon "no-no".

I wonder how people, in general, would think of gay individuals if the word, "homorelational" was used instead of "homosexual"? Or even heterorelational instead of heterosexual?

Maybe the part of those words, "sexual" freaks people out?
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Maybe. But it could also be because we're attracted to members of the same sex, and those people find that icky. Or like Clax said, they think that it's "catchable".

Or even a combination of all 3.
 
Elvira said:
We are not a cult...cults follow another human...we follow Jesus Christ and what is written in the Bible...
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It is an authoritarian system that insists human beings are damaged just for arriving and thus must submit to a male dominator god who they must fear just as they fear their Lucifer.

And as we see here; "Not true...144,000 will reign with Christ in heaven over the earth...there will be a great crowd of people who will live on a paradise earth, as God purposed when He created Adam and Eve..."

It is exclusionary.
 
TheGoverness said:
Maybe. But it could also be because we're attracted to members of the same sex, and those people find that icky. Or like Clax said, they think that it's "catchable".

Or even a combination of all 3.
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It's obvious that too many people are clueless about human sexual orientation. And yes, there are the dumbasses who believe that sexual orientation is somehow contagious - but only orientations other than their own.

Well, I brought up the terms " homorelational and heterrelational" to possibly serve as way of expressing relationship preferences without stigmatizing people who can't cope with humans having sex, regardless with whom.

Foregoing the fact that humans are sexual beings (most are at some degree for a period of their lives): It's unbelievable at the huge number of people who can't discuss the fact that some humans have a natural capacity to experience having a deeply caring and a true sense of love with one's own gender - in the same manner as those who are of opposite genders. We do have to remember that love relationships are far more complex and have way more components to the relationship than sex.

The Mormons claim they are okay with one being homosexual as long as they don't act on it. Like Clax said. What does "not acting on it" mean? In other word, if a person is gay - then what specific ACTS are prohibited? Would it be just the sexual part or would ACTING include expressing affection for another person?
 
Removable Mind said:
Foregoing the fact that humans are sexual beings (most are at some degree for a period of their lives): It's unbelievable at the huge number of people who can't discuss the fact that some humans have a natural capacity to experience having a deeply caring and a true sense of love with one's own gender - in the same manner as those who are of opposite genders. We do have to remember that love relationships are far more complex and have way more components to the relationship than sex.
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Of course. But all too often anti-gay types try to downplay same-sex relationships, as if it's all simply about lust. Now those relationships certainly do exist (as it does with straight couples), but there are plenty those like me who are in loving, caring same-sex relationships, and it's not just simply for the sex.

Sex is great, but it's not everything.

The Mormons claim they are okay with one being homosexual as long as they don't act on it. Like Clax said. What does "not acting on it" mean? In other word, if a person is gay - then what specific ACTS are prohibited? Would it be just the sexual part or would ACTING include expressing affection for another person?
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My best guess would be that you aren't supposed to express your homosexual desires at all. No matter if it's expressing affection for someone of the same sex, or having sex with them.

So in other words, they aren't really okay with it.
 
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TheGoverness said:
The guy that calls himself a trans woman, yet goes by he/she pronouns?
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yeah, wants too be a lesbian but far too chicken to take hormones and get surgery. And calls you transphobic if you dont want to date him as though he's a woman?

Yeah that guy
 
nota bene said:
I'm not LDS, so I hope Laska will see this thread and provide clarification. But from what I've read, the LDS insist on chastity unless married, whether you're gay or straight.

"The Church distinguishes between same-sex attraction and homosexual behavior. People who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual can make and keep covenants with God and fully and worthily participate in the Church. Identifying as gay, lesbian, or bisexual or experiencing same-sex attraction is not a sin and does not prohibit one from participating in the Church, holding callings, or attending the temple." https://www.lds.org/topics/same-sex-attraction?lang=eng
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Your link also says, "Sexual relations are reserved for a man and a woman who are married and promise complete loyalty to each other." I am not LDS either, I am an evangelical. I agree with LDS in this regard. (Even Catholics are right some of the time)
 
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Removable Mind said:
I'm guessing that that's probably a Mormon "no-no".

I wonder how people, in general, would think of gay individuals if the word, "homorelational" was used instead of "homosexual"? Or even heterorelational instead of heterosexual?

Maybe the part of those words, "sexual" freaks people out?
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It's actions that count. Thoughts are not bad by themselves but usually precede actions which are bad.
 
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