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12 year old lesbian gets the smack down from her Morman church

Crovax said:
Maybe I'm missing something but this child is 12, pretty fair assumption that she hasn't had sex yet. So how exactly has she sinned or who is calling her a sinner?

Seems like she has a preemptive hatred of things that haven't happened yet.
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or you know she knows about the churches stance on homosexuality and feels that is not what a decent and loving god would agree with
 
gmeyers1944 said:
God loves us all, including this 12-year-old girl. Just because we feel that something we do is good, that does not make it so. God does not judge people on the grounds of something that we have no control over. In the book of Romans, God makes it clear that homosexuality is wrong.

Romans 1:18-27 18"For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it unto them.20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like a corruptible man - and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things."

24 "Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."

26 "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."

I have a daughter who is a lesbian. I will always love her. I pray that God will show her the error of her ways and that she will confess and forsake that sin.

Bible text is from the New King James Bible
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so your judgment of homosexuality and gay people including your own child based on faith may not be good just because you feel its good

stands to reason it would not be good if i said something about you was evil because beliefs that make me happy depend on it
 
Elvira said:
Would you be willing to burn her alive? Well God isn't either...He is more just than that...
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ya your version is just going to kill her and it will be her fault that happens

nothing evil hear
 
gmeyers1944 said:
I hope that she (and my daughter) will see the light, confess and forsake their sins. Then they will go to Heaven.
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or maybe you will forsake this darkness and see that just being attracted to the same gender is not wrong as it it dosent do anything bad to any one least of all a magical sky daddy
 
gmeyers1944 said:
God loves her. His love is why Jesus died on the cross to pay for her sins. She needs to confess and forsake these sins to avoid burning in HELL.
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you dont need to make your children pay to suite yourself

you dont need to harm some one innocent to justify not harming others

this punishment and work around for it is evil and madness
 
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nota bene said:
Take it up with the LDS. My post was in response to posts about this girl being excommunicated.
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That's fair, I assumed otherwise.

I don't understand why that nuance matters to them, but I will recognize that it does.
 
JayDubya said:
That's fair, I assumed otherwise.

I don't understand why that nuance matters to them, but I will recognize that it does.
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I'm an outsider looking in too, but the LDS view seems consistent with other churches--it makes a distinction between orientation and behavior.
 
Girls still do things early in the LDS I see...

I am not sure how I feel bout that....
 
blarg said:
like how you would be if you stopped believing every one outside of your faith deserved to die you would have nothing in common with your old self and other members of your faith
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I suppose but that is not what I or others of my faith believe, so your argument is moot...
 
Crovax said:
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Heh. That's pretty funny.
 
blarg said:
you have a point their if the religion is wrong changing it may make it less evil but its built on a a foundation of bull****
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Are you a self appointed prophet of what is evil? See how people start their own cults? I bet if Charles Manson got out he'd have thousands of Americans following him.

If one is not into theology they need not get into theological disputes with the Mormon's.

In terms of sexual behavior and laws here is a more productive use of energy as it is non-religious, secular, and frankly has not a single scientific leg to stand on: American states various age consent laws. Particularly those states that make it illegal for anyone age 18 or older to have sex with anyone 17 years of age. What gets me is that because it was made illegal many secular people have become indoctrinated to believing it immoral too. Compounding the stupidity is that it is usually legal for a 30 year-old man to marry a 17 year-old boy, and then he can sodomize him night after night for years legally, because they are married. But if a 18 year-old boy dates a 17 year-old girl and penetrates her vagina it becomes a crime (in said states where it is a crime) and some secular people are running around with their fingers down their throat trying to force vomit, sickened by how "unnatural" the sex between the 18 year-old boy and 17 year-old girl was.

So, you can fix your secular laws and leave the Mormons alone. They can't mark people as Sex Offenders on their records for life because as a teenager they had heterosexual sex with another teenager 1 year younger (or even 3 month younger) than they.
 
CLAX1911 said:
She's likely been forced to there by parents and thus brainwashed that's what happens with cults
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I'm inclined to disagree here simply because she came out to her folks a year ago and because I think they're the ones who filmed the video and saw to its distribution. Her mother did give an interview to HuffPo.

I'm an LDS outsider, but when this thread was launched, I did some Googling and learned that first Sundays are Fast and Testimony days during which--I hope this term isn't wrong--those who feel "called" to speak do so. At the link I provided earlier in this thread, the LDS caution about putting super-personal stuff out there and say that this isn't necessary.

What I mean is that Savannah Ward wasn't forced to speak (unless by her folks) but instead chose to do this.
 
nota bene said:
I'm inclined to disagree here simply because she came out to her folks a year ago and because I think they're the ones who filmed the video and saw to its distribution. Her mother did give an interview to HuffPo.
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A gay Mormon is like a gay Muslim. It's hypocritical. Their cult disavows that. They excommunicate people for it. All cults brainwash their members. This looks like the beginning effects of being red pilled. This is basically a 12 year old girl giving the middle finger to the bat **** nuts ideology she was indoctrinated with.

The fact that they are gutless proves they think it's nuts too.

I'm an LDS outsider, but when this thread was launched, I did some Googling and learned that first Sundays are Fast and Testimony days during which--I hope this term isn't wrong--those who feel "called" to speak do so. At the link I provided earlier in this thread, the LDS caution about putting super-personal stuff out there and say that this isn't necessary.
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I'm married to an LDS cult survivor. I've met his parents (in a court room.) The truth is pretty ugly. This practice used to be a form of "acountability." To "help keep the "faithful" faithful to the cult. This is another place where they know their beliefs are stupid. They say to hold back? Don't tell the truth In a confession? Why the hell do it than?

What I mean is that Savannah Ward wasn't forced to speak (unless by her folks) but instead chose to do this.
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Forced? No. But she was brainwashed to follow that cult. If she wasn't she wouldn't be there.
 
CLAX1911 said:
A gay Mormon is like a gay Muslim. It's hypocritical. Their cult disavows that. They excommunicate people for it. All cults brainwash their members.
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Everyone indoctrinates children and their members. Or at the individual level you can say everyone is brainwashed. If you have a dog did it tell you what it's name is or did you name the dog yourself which comes running with wagging tail when you call its name? And how do you imagine humans, children are like that? Where they so un-brainwashed each child picked its own name, choose for itself what language it would speak, and picked its own accent? You know... if Bruce Jenner walked out wearing a burka with face veil, or walked around with rings around his neck to elongate it, and said he does so because he's a woman, then I would be more inclined to believe he was indoctrinated into concepts of how a woman dresses and acts.

Parents have a right to indoctrinate--educate--their children. Yeah, I'm saying Jews, Muslims, Mormons, atheists and flag waving Americans, and even libertarians have a right to indoctrinate their children.

So, I notice the girl was not speaking Arabic or English with a cockney accent. I suppose that was all her doing?



 
FastPace said:
Everyone indoctrinates children and their members. Or at the individual level you can say everyone is brainwashed. If you have a dog did it tell you what it's name is or did you name the dog yourself which comes running with wagging tail when you call its name? And how do you imagine humans, children are like that? Where they so un-brainwashed each child picked its own name, choose for itself what language it would speak, and picked its own accent? You know... if Bruce Jenner walked out wearing a burka with face veil, or walked around with rings around his neck to elongate it, and said he does so because he's a woman, then I would be more inclined to believe he was indoctrinated into concepts of how a woman dresses and acts
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This gobbledygook you typed is a tangled up mess. How a particular person within a culture acts and dresses is part of culture. Brainwashing children to follow a cult and believe it's lies unquestionably isn't culture.

Parents have a right to indoctrinate--educate--their children. Yeah, I'm saying Jews, Muslims, Mormons, atheists and flag waving Americans, and even libertarians have a right to indoctrinate their children.
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Yeah, and?

So, I notice the girl was not speaking Arabic or English with a cockney accent. I suppose that was all her doing?
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No, that's part of a culture. Brainwashing occurs when you feed stupid bull**** lies to people until they believe that stupidity.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Mormons don't practice polygamy anymore due to social pressure. Social pressure works that's why it's used
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Not all of them ever did...the ones who did, still do...
 
CLAX1911 said:
Mormons don't practice polygamy anymore due to social pressure. Social pressure works that's why it's used
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It "is" still practiced. Not by all Mormons...but there is still a degree of polygamy linked/associated with LDS. Heck...one polygamy family even has their own TV show called sister wives.
 
Elvira said:
Not all of them ever did...the ones who did, still do...
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The point i was making is that society forced them to change. The only ones that practice polygamy live in a compound in Arizona and their husband daddy leader is in federal prison.
 
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