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Can a Three Year Old "Know" They Are Transgender?

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Even if they did, it's irrelevant.
There's problems associated with transitioning. One, that nobody seems to point out, is that doctors motivated for profit may have a vested interest in pushing specific brans of hormones and drugs.
As they have already with painkillers, ADHD medication, and SSRI's.

The idea that doctors would NEVER misdiagnose children, either intentionally or unintentionally, is just wrong.

I recommend checking out Blaire Whites videos on the issue, she's trans (which is great cause now you can't call me a transphobe for my opinions) and she opposes children transitioning
 
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Silent Bird said:
No way.
Children are just children. They may have arbitrary preferences and interests, and that's beautiful enough in itself. They grow up too soon, just enjoy it as long as it lasts and stop with the projections and burdens.
I view them as 'genderless'.
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Agreed. A child that hasn't reached puberty doesn't have any concept of sexuality, much less transgenderism which is rooted in sexuality.
That's more for the ages of puberty.
 
TheGoverness said:
Sexuality is complicated.



Which is why I think this has more to do with parental influence.
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Parental influence has nothing to do with it at all, unless they lie to the child or children, If I were to be the father to a male child, and I tell him his entire life that he is female, or I force him to dress, or act like a female, It would not only be child abuse, but it would be blatant stupidity, and I would be liable for my child acting like a retard, a parent should treat a child the way that he or she is, he meaning, a MALE, and she meaning, A FEMALE, there is no in between, gender is not a choice, gender and sex are the exact same thing, transgenderism is a mental illness known as GENDER DYSPHORIA, and this entire transgender epidemic (a widespread occurrence of a disease) is a complete joke.
 
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RepublicanProud said:
Parental influence has nothing to do with it at all, unless they lie to the child or children, If I were to be the father to a male child, and I tell him his entire life that he is female, or I force him to dress, or act like a female, It would not only be child abuse, but it would be blatant stupidity, and I would be liable for my child acting like a retard, a parent should treat a child the way that he or she is.
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I don't disagree. I'm just saying in this specific instance that it might have more to do with parental influence, than how the child actually feels.
 
A child knows if they identify with men or women.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Agreed. A child that hasn't reached puberty doesn't have any concept of sexuality, much less transgenderism which is rooted in sexuality.
That's more for the ages of puberty.
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They might not know about sexuality (and I am agreeing with you on that point), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't and don't concept gender. Gender is not an automatic link to sexuality. There are many kids who do realize they are "in the wrong body", and that is borne out over their life, while other say as much but later realize in life, it wasn't their body, as much as it was their perceived gender roles they were expected to fulfill. The child might know or they might not, but the real thing to realize it that we can never be sure what is actually going through their head. Thus any physical/chemical transitioning, save hormone blockers, should not occur until after adulthood.
 
RepublicanProud said:
Parental influence has nothing to do with it at all, unless they lie to the child or children, If I were to be the father to a male child, and I tell him his entire life that he is female, or I force him to dress, or act like a female, It would not only be child abuse, but it would be blatant stupidity, and I would be liable for my child acting like a retard, a parent should treat a child the way that he or she is, he meaning, a MALE, and she meaning, A FEMALE, there is no in between, gender is not a choice, gender and sex are the exact same thing, transgenderism is a mental illness known as GENDER DYSPHORIA, and this entire transgender epidemic (a widespread occurrence of a disease) is a complete joke.
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Transgenderism and gender dysphoria and two separate, albeit related things. Gender Disphoria can be corrected/cured/fixed/what have you. Transgenderism is something that never goes away. The disphoria is the stress and anxiety of the disconnect between what the self views as its gender and the body's physical sex. The cure for the disphoria can be as simple as presenting as the self's gender, or it may need to go all the way through SRS, and any point along the path. Regardless, the disphoria is then gone and the individual no longer has that anxiety due to the disconnect. That doesn't mean that they won't have other stresses and anxieties due to how people treat them, or how they perceive people will treat them, but that is from a different source, not the disphoria itself.
 
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maquiscat said:
They might not know about sexuality (and I am agreeing with you on that point), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't and don't concept gender. Gender is not an automatic link to sexuality. There are many kids who do realize they are "in the wrong body", and that is borne out over their life, while other say as much but later realize in life, it wasn't their body, as much as it was their perceived gender roles they were expected to fulfill. The child might know or they might not, but the real thing to realize it that we can never be sure what is actually going through their head. Thus any physical/chemical transitioning, save hormone blockers, should not occur until after adulthood.
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Just so we're clear, are you advocating the administration of hormone blockers to small children who "think" they are "transgender"?
 
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countryboy said:
Just so we're clear, are you advocating the administration of hormone blockers to small children who "think" they are "transgender"?
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You would not need hormone blockers in small children. Whether you realize it or not, that question is a strawman set up. The hormone blockers would be used during puberty, and it would give the individual claiming transgenderism the chance to really determine what it is that is going on. I also am NOT saying that this should be done sans professional treatment, such as the work CC does. The child/teen needs to be seen by a professional to help them work through all of what is happening and determine if they are truly transgender. As CC has noted before, many who have come to him claiming to be trans have turned out not to be so, and he has helped them get past the actual issues they have.

Being allowed to present as their perceived gender will cause no actual harm to the individual. Mind you that doesn't address and harm from other people, but that is still not due to the presenting in and of itself, but rather due to other people. And allowing the teen to be on hormone blockers will have no long term effects. They will be a really "late bloomer". But if you start the child before they are an adult on hormone therapy, or worse allow the SRS, the long term effects could be worse than the original issue if it turns .out they are not trans
 
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maquiscat said:
You would not need hormone blockers in small children. Whether you realize it or not, that question is a strawman set up. The hormone blockers would be used during puberty, and it would give the individual claiming transgenderism the chance to really determine what it is that is going on. I also am NOT saying that this should be done sans professional treatment, such as the work CC does. The child/teen needs to be seen by a professional to help them work through all of what is happening and determine if they are truly transgender. As CC has noted before, many who have come to him claiming to be trans have turned out not to be so, and he has helped them get past the actual issues they have.

Being allowed to present as their perceived gender will cause no actual harm to the individual. Mind you that doesn't address and harm from other people, but that is still not due to the presenting in and of itself, but rather due to other people. And allowing the teen to be on hormone blockers will have no long term effects. They will be a really "late bloomer". But if you start the child before they are an adult on hormone therapy, or worse allow the SRS, the long term effects could be worse than the original issue if it turns .out they are not trans
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This thread is about a three year old.
 
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countryboy said:
This thread is about a three year old.
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The thread is about children (or would minors be more accurate?) and transgenderism. The story about the child is used as an example. The trans in the article, by the way, is not three nor were they are the time the article was written. The linked article is about Xavier/Trinity's life and transitioning over the years. So this thread is not limited to just three year old or even small/young children.
 
ecofarm said:
A child knows if they identify with men or women.
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Do they? And more to the point, do they do so spontaneously or by suggestion?
 
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maquiscat said:
The thread is about children (or would minors be more accurate?) and transgenderism. The story about the child is used as an example. The trans in the article, by the way, is not three nor were they are the time the article was written. The linked article is about Xavier/Trinity's life and transitioning over the years. So this thread is not limited to just three year old or even small/young children.
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This thread is about a three year old. The thread title is, " Can a Three Year Old "Know" They Are Transgender?"
 
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countryboy said:
This thread is about a three year old. The thread title is, " Can a Three Year Old "Know" They Are Transgender?"
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Did you read the linked article in the OP?

Added: or for that matter read the rest of the only 4 page thread? The overall discussion is not lmited to three years of age.
 
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Dragonfly said:
A child's journey to "truegender"

Is it possible for a three year old child to know and/or understand they are transgender?

Without some outside influences (or a lot of), does the average 3 year old know their own gender identity well enough to know their inner person is different than their outer person?

Thoughts?
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Dragonfly said:
My thoughts too, but I'll admit this whole transgender thing is quite confusing.

At three plenty of kids are still sucking on binkies and wearing potty-pants.
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TheGoverness said:
I highly doubt it.
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Harshaw said:
They don't even know what their outer person is to have any concept that their inner person doesn't match it.
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Bodhisattva said:
Absolutely not... there is no way at all a three year old would know what their sexual orientation is or what their gender is...

Horrible parents...
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_Sal said:
in order for a child to be believe that they are transgender they would first have to be aware that there is a male/female division

so

NO
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Silent Bird said:
No way.
Children are just children. They may have arbitrary preferences and interests, and that's beautiful enough in itself. They grow up too soon, just enjoy it as long as it lasts and stop with the projections and burdens.
I view them as 'genderless'.
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eohrnberger said:
Agreed. A child that hasn't reached puberty doesn't have any concept of sexuality, much less transgenderism which is rooted in sexuality.
That's more for the ages of puberty.
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joG said:
Do they? And more to the point, do they do so spontaneously or by suggestion?
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Children that are 3 generally have developed a concept of gender and gender roles. It's the age when exploration of gender happens, from dress up and choosing gendered toys, to kids comparing physical differences with each other. Kids of 3 know that they're a boy and a girl, and often will claim to have a boy/girlfriend of the opposite gender. For a kid with Gender Dysphoria, 3 is minimum age you'd expect signs of it to show.
 
spud_meister said:
Children that are 3 generally have developed a concept of gender and gender roles. It's the age when exploration of gender happens, from dress up and choosing gendered toys, to kids comparing physical differences with each other. Kids of 3 know that they're a boy and a girl, and often will claim to have a boy/girlfriend of the opposite gender. For a kid with Gender Dysphoria, 3 is minimum age you'd expect signs of it to show.
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Sure, they understand there's some kind of difference. They have no idea what it means, though.
 
Harshaw said:
Sure, they understand there's some kind of difference. They have no idea what it means, though.
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Yeah, they do, as it impacts their world. Obviously they haven't done a semester of gender theory at the local community college, but they know physical differences, in their age group, and in the adults around them; they know the obvious gender roles that adults take in society, where women are caregivers and men are providers; they know boys are meant to like blue and girls pink.
 
spud_meister said:
Yeah, they do, as it impacts their world. Obviously they haven't done a semester of gender theory at the local community college, but they know physical differences, in their age group, and in the adults around them; they know the obvious gender roles that adults take in society, where women are caregivers and men are providers; they know boys are meant to like blue and girls pink.
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I don't think they know even that much. But if they do, they still have no real understanding of "gender." They just know there are some differences.
 
Harshaw said:
I don't think they know even that much. But if they do, they still have no real understanding of "gender." They just know there are some differences.
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What, exactly, about gender do you think they don't understand?
 
spud_meister said:
Children that are 3 generally have developed a concept of gender and gender roles. It's the age when exploration of gender happens, from dress up and choosing gendered toys, to kids comparing physical differences with each other. Kids of 3 know that they're a boy and a girl, and often will claim to have a boy/girlfriend of the opposite gender. For a kid with Gender Dysphoria, 3 is minimum age you'd expect signs of it to show.
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Sure. They start developing an identity and mimic behaviour but any body that thinks his first sentence was "I am a girl" and then reads this:

" But when her three-year-old pointed to a picture of a boy and said, "This is my body," before pointing to a picture of a girl and declaring, "This is who I am," DeShanna had no inkling how it would all unfold"

And believes it... that thinks a three year old has developed self awareness to that depth and thought that developed is fooling themselves. This story is manipulated.



Children’s early gender concepts

So it turns out that gender is more of a flexible state than most people think. And surprisingly, as children, we start out thinking more flexibly about gender than we end up.

Before the age of five, children don’t seem to think that gender has any permanence at all. A preschooler might ask his female teacher whether she was a boy or girl when she was little, or a little boy might say that he wants to grow up to be a mommy.

Research supports this early flexibility in children’s gender concepts. For example, in a well-known study, psychologist Sandra Bem showed preschool-aged children three photographs of a male and female toddler.
 
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