Things I Wish I'd Learned About Straight Sex in High School

Henrin said:

That makes no sense. Not only do I not demand any such thing, but people that demand abstinence only sex education isn't demanding a program that causes greater rates of teen pregnancy and disease.

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Yet. historical data shows that is exactly what happens.

Northern Light said:

These debates are kind of funny considering we have the internet now, and anyone can find out anything about anything.

How can a young woman not know about her vagina when Wikipedia is one click away.

These scapegoat articles are laugh worthy.

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Well, let me put it this way. THere is a lot of misinformation on the internet. Many people can not figure out good sources vs bad sources

_Sal said:

no I understand his post he believes that any view which varies from his is wrong...period

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And obviously so do you. Ironic huh?

he thinks he understands god and can act on god's behalf

he does not understand and he can not

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chromium said:

The debate centers on whether keeping kids totally ignorant of life,

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First. I understand what it teaches. And I have no issue with teaching sex Ed in schools. I'm actually for it as I know the benefits to the public at large. But I also don't want some left wing hack hippie dip**** teaching MY children (which I don't have so this is hypothetical) to "have sex and be free."

No. Sorry. Pregnancy is a risk. So are STDs. There are also social stigmas and the potential for abuse. Sex should be between 2 people who love each other. Why? The element of trust. You shouldn't have sex with someone you can't trust. So no. I have no desire to keep kids ignorant. Not a damn bit. In fact...I want to provide them with some very hard lessons that I PERSONALLY had to learn. Or lessons that I saw friends learn. Things like confusing lust for love. Things like that. So please spare me your holier than thou attitude because:

which btw, only increases things your beliefs

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You have not an iota of understanding of my position. Just because I'm a Christian and a conservative doesn't make me a Bible thumping bigot. We have had this argument before. Your ASSumption is ridiculous and actually insulting. Especially coming from someone who SHOULD know better. This of course goes back to me talking about the left alienating the religious folks.

2find repugnant such as STDs and unwanted pregnancies, qualifies as abuse. Here you should see it doesn't have to do with morals, nor should it. It's a matter of outcomes that harm the kids

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Again. It isn't SUPPOSED to be about morals. But do you honestly expect people to just trust the teachers to leave their morality judgements out of it? With all the lack of respect and bull**** that goes on? The alienation? The elitist mentality. Dismissal of other views?

But yeah, it's not that we don't grasp the conservative mind. In this country it's inescapable. But we do look down on policies that are self defeating, in defiance and denial of human nature, and produce consistently bad outcomes. 'Abstinence only' is one of those

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More elitist bull**** that has caused needless resistance. Maybe YOU can justify bigotry to yourself, but please don't try and justify it to me. I know better. As I have pointed out to others: you can disagree without assaulting someone's beliefs. Well. An adult can.

You don't trust the particular stranger who teaches sex ed? Fine, get to know them or at least, if you're going to do the deed yourself, don't preach 'abstinence only' for god sakes

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I will teach whatever the hell I want to my children. That is NOT your decision. Not in the slightest and you have NO right to stick your nose in. Do you wonder why the nation voted for the asshat filled with hatred and bile known as trump? It is because this bull**** asshole entitled elitist mentality that you are spewing. It is utter hateful bigoted crap.

Let me put it to you this way: my girlfriend is a democrat. I love her. I respect her views and why she voted that way. But she is slowly getting more conservative because of people like you who have torn her down for having religion. You are alienating people. And you are doing it like any other bigot: out of pure ignorance.

You have ignored the plethora of other views that a religious person may hold. And why they may hold it. And you seem to think the government trumps that view. It doesn't. But when it comes to education...it is the job of the public educational system to be...SECULAR. That means they must accommodate the fact that people have differing religious views. Doesn't matter if you personally think they are wrong or not. They aren't your kids...so it is the right of the parents to tell you to piss off.

BUT...if there is going to be an attempt to actually give children a proper sex education...it damn sure better be very devoid of morality discussions and should focus on the basics: physical and emotional safety.


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RabidAlpaca said:

What a steaming pile of nonsense this is. Not every parent is capable or willing to give an in-depth education on the human reproductive system, so without sex ed in schools you end up having millions of Americans who know absolutely nothing about how sex works which results in millions of abortions and unwanted children. My parents gave me the "talk" very early, but it was a superficial overview and it left me with a large set of major misunderstandings until it was cleared up in sex ed in the 7th grade.

The worst part of this is that in most school districts you can opt out of sex ed with parent permission, so your opposition to sex ed in schools is 100% focused around preventing OTHERS from getting sex education and has nothing to do with you. You are not victims, you're the one trying to force your beliefs on others and keep Americans uneducated on basic life facts.

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Dude? Really? You quoted me but you obviously didn't pay attention. It would be clear what my position is from the start if you took those hack partisan goggles off.

All I give a **** about is making sure reasonable accommodation exists. At no point have you seen me argue against sex Ed in school. But hey...you just fabricate that strawman of yours because god forbid you take a look at someone's position right? And Lordy Moses heaven forbid you actually show even a modicum of respect for another person's world view.


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blackjack50 said:

Dude? Really? You quoted me but you obviously didn't pay attention. It would be clear what my position is from the start if you took those hack partisan goggles off.
All I give a **** about is making sure reasonable accommodation exists. At no point have you seen me argue against sex Ed in school. But hey...you just fabricate that strawman of yours because god forbid you take a look at someone's position right? And Lordy Moses heaven forbid you actually show even a modicum of respect for another person's world view.
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I talked about conservatives wanting sex ed out of school, which has been a very, very popular position with American conservatives, and you tell me it's "complete bull****". What else am I supposed to get from that? It's not bull****, there are people who don't want it in school at all just like they don't want evolution or climate change taught.

Northern Light said:

These debates are kind of funny considering we have the internet now, and anyone can find out anything about anything.

How can a young woman not know about her vagina when Wikipedia is one click away.

These scapegoat articles are laugh worthy.

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because they're actively lied to and those kind of controlling parents often monitor their kids' internet use. This is especially a problem for gay teens

chromium said:

because they're actively lied to and those kind of controlling parents often monitor their kids' internet use. This is especially a problem for gay teens

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That's true. A lot of conservative parents use censorship to maintain ignorance in their children. I noticed that growing up.

blackjack50 said:

No. Sorry. Pregnancy is a risk. So are STDs. There are also social stigmas and the potential for abuse. Sex should be between 2 people who love each other

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Well, that's your values and that's their values, but i think you'd be hard pressed to find a case of a sex ed teacher getting away with telling 8th graders "have sex as much as possible and be free" The purpose of sex ed is *education* not moralizing. It's crap like 'abstinence only' that injects moralizing and it's so pervasive in entire states like texas that you can't deny that's going on. Where's you concern about *that* as a cause for pregnancy and std?

I personally don't see how trust begins and ends with teenage "love" (which is all over the place and does by nature often is really just lust). What if it's a longtime friend and you want to experiment? There's trust

blackjack50 said:

Again. It isn't SUPPOSED to be about morals. But do you honestly expect people to just trust the teachers to leave their morality judgements out of it? With all the lack of respect and bull**** that goes on? The alienation? The elitist mentality. Dismissal of other views?

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How about teachers and educational systems that inject morality judgments aimed at suppressing sex ed for gay kids? The alienation they experience, the elitist mentality they come up against, dismissal of their reality?

I recall my sex ed teacher saying that gay is just a phase and anyone conflicted about this needs to just focus on girls more. There was absolutely nothing in the vein of "make sure to use condoms even if you can't get your partner pregnant" "make sure to use plenty of lube", the kind of things that can help to avoid a lot of self blame and total ignorance of safe sex

blackjack50 said:

As I have pointed out to others: you can disagree without assaulting someone's beliefs. Well. An adult can.

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"Assault" is total overreaction, try again

blackjack50 said:

I will teach whatever the hell I want to my children. That is NOT your decision.

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I have no idea what you're on about with trump but the entire point of education is that no one is an expert on everything. Case in point, the right wing actually believes (not thinks) 'abstinence only' doesn't lead directly to higher std and pregnancy rate and is equally valid and less elitist (pronouncing your 'rights' to dictate a kid when you know no better than that kid, because you don't idea how massive a failure 'abstinence only' is is elitist yes)

The fact the teenage mom and her newborn will likely be on welfare does certainly make it the public's business

blackjack50 said:

Let me put it to you this way: my girlfriend is a democrat. I love her. I respect her views and why she voted that way. But she is slowly getting more conservative because of people like you who have torn her down for having religion.

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There is no evidence religion played any role in the election. In fact, less than in any since the 18th century. It was barely a topic except when trump was before a religious audience and his only mention of it in the debates was a phony as hell tirade about abortion. Wouldn't surprise me he's atheist either and there's a lot of speculation about that. I think you'd be very hard pressed as well to cite a democrat politician who has insulted religion. That would take more balls than any of them have. Even openly gay barnie frank was a closet atheist because it's a 4 letter word in politics. So don't talk to me about alienating people when conservatives have alienated people like me all along

Then there's the fact i didn't vote Hillary and don't give a **** whether this or that voter turns away from dems

blackjack50 said:

You have ignored the plethora of other views that a religious person may hold. And why they may hold it. And you seem to think the government trumps that view.

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The government almost always is step in step with religion. Here we go with the persecution complex again. I am talking about reforming *government* not religion. I don't care what views you hold. I care about how kids are kept ignorant of how sex works, leading directly to higher pregnancy and std rates

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blackjack50 said:

It doesn't. But when it comes to education...it is the job of the public educational system to be...SECULAR. That means they must accommodate the fact that people have differing religious views.

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You need to look up the definition of secular in an educational context, because it actually means to inform of the facts regardless of beliefs. In sex ed that means without lying to the kids or shoving religious mandates like 'abstinence only or you'll burn in hell' down their throats. You keep talking of trust and loving relationships, well la-dee-dah, that is hardly something your religion copyrighted. It's more like a personal theory or value of yours. I don't know why you even brought it up like i'm attacking your religion or you lump it with abstinence only, and that's something you can lecture them on at home. They're likely to not listen, but go for it

blackjack50 said:

BUT...if there is going to be an attempt to actually give children a proper sex education...it damn sure better be very devoid of morality discussions and should focus on the basics: physical and emotional safety.

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Physical safety includes wear condoms. Republicans want to ban even mention of that. Think about that before you fly off at me for calling that abusive

RabidAlpaca said:

What a steaming pile of nonsense this is. Not every parent is capable or willing to give an in-depth education on the human reproductive system, so without sex ed in schools you end up having millions of Americans who know absolutely nothing about how sex works which results in millions of abortions and unwanted children. My parents gave me the "talk" very early, but it was a superficial overview and it left me with a large set of major misunderstandings until it was cleared up in sex ed in the 7th grade.

The worst part of this is that in most school districts you can opt out of sex ed with parent permission, so your opposition to sex ed in schools is 100% focused around preventing OTHERS from getting sex education and has nothing to do with you. You are not victims, you're the one trying to force your beliefs on others and keep Americans uneducated on basic life facts.

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Exactly, it's always the least qualified to educate that get the most offended when others say their kids shouldn't be kept ignorant

Although in my case, both "the talk" and the official sex ed were woefully inadequate, we have the religious right to thank for that

Henrin said:

Are you saying that not teaching children about sex is child abuse?

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Look what it did to you. Repression and ignorance are never healthy

blackjack50 said:

And obviously so do you. Ironic huh?

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LOL if that is what you need to believe ...... go for it ...........if you wish to converse on the topic, say something which is worth responding to...otherwise I place you in the same league as him

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guess you lost your train of thought :lol:

blackjack50 said:

First. I understand what it teaches. And I have no issue with teaching sex Ed in schools. I'm actually for it as I know the benefits to the public at large. But I also don't want some left wing hack hippie dip**** teaching MY children (which I don't have so this is hypothetical) to "have sex and be free."

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And, this is a straw man. I bet you can not find any curriculum about sex education for high school students that even come close to teaching that.

CLAX1911 said:

That's a load of crap. Are you saying the only possible way for kids to learn about sex and biology is through public education? Patents ate completely incapable of teaching them about it?

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That's my question. Even before there were schools, a lot of sex education was observable/self-evident.

When I was in school, the focus of sex ed. was STDs/STIs. I still remember some of the more gross slides!

I did give my parental consent for sex ed., but I didn't wait for the school to do MY job. Maybe it was easier for my kids to understand the mechanics because they grew up in the country and saw for themselves how it works and what happens after.

The best sex ed there is would be a field trip to the court house and observing "family" court. Watching a few arrest orders for non-payment of child support would also be good lesson material.

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That's my question. Even before there were schools, a lot of sex education was observable/self-evident.

When I was in school, the focus of sex ed. was STDs/STIs. I still remember some of the more gross slides!

I did give my parental consent for sex ed., but I didn't wait for the school to do MY job. Maybe it was easier for my kids to understand the mechanics because they grew up in the country and saw for themselves how it works and what happens after.

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STDs and babies. That's what they should cover.