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Daily Mail Sexism.

Why do you think democrats lost the white male voting block?

Because the white male voting block is usually on the more conservative side, and disagrees with the Democrats on economics, the environment, and several other key issues in significant numbers. Why?
 
Because the white male voting block is usually on the more conservative side, and disagrees with the Democrats on economics, the environment, and several other key issues in significant numbers. Why?

They're were also traditional, which just so happens to be what democrats were and are opposed to. This isn't something democrats care about however since they figure they're fine as a party of minorities, elites and women.
 
My argument has little do with sexism, but more with human nature and how people work to dominate.

Your arguments are always to do with sexism. You appear to view women as the enemy, and possibly of a different species.
 
They're were also traditional, which just so happens to be what democrats were and are opposed to. This isn't something democrats care about however since they figure they're fine as a part of minorities, elites and women.

How do you think women got the 19th amendment ratified at a point when the vast majority of voters were white males without the support of white males? And sure, you might say that people have changed their minds since 1919. In which case, I say read the article I cited earlier. 82 percent of Americans believe that “men and women should be social, political, and economic equals.” Care to guess what percent of Americans are white males (it's more than 18%)?
 
How do you think women got the 19th amendment ratified at a point when the vast majority of voters were white males without the support of white males? And sure, you might say that people have changed their minds since 1919. In which case, I say read the article I cited earlier. 82 percent of Americans believe that “men and women should be social, political, and economic equals.” Care to guess what percent of Americans are white males (it's more than 18%)?

Men in office ratified it.
 
Your arguments are always to do with sexism. You appear to view women as the enemy, and possibly of a different species.

Considering men like you will be responsible for men becoming the second sex in society I would say men like you are the enemy of your own gender.
 
Considering men like you will be responsible for men becoming the second sex in society I would say men like you are the enemy of your own gender.

Why do you even care about the station of your gender as a whole? That's just as much a collectivist attitude as the feminist mindset, with all their sisterhood gobbledygook.
 
Why do you even care about the station of your gender as a whole? That's just as much a collectivist attitude as the feminist mindset, with all their sisterhood gobbledygook.

Because I'm a traditional guy that thinks men should lead society. I also think it's self defeating to destroy your own gender and raise the other gender above your own. Would women destroy their own gender for men? No. So why in the hell did men do it for women?
 
Because I'm a traditional guy that thinks men should lead society.

Why? Roughly 4/5ths of men think women should be equal, and many of them are authoritarians who would just reinstate the legal, political and economic equality of the sexes you seem to oppose. Even more who aren't authoritarians would also do this.

Clearly, identifying with others politically on the basis of gender is a stupid idea that will lump you into a group with lots of people you think are terribly wrong.
 
Why? Roughly 4/5ths of men think women should be equal, and many of them are authoritarians who would just reinstate the legal, political and economic equality of the sexes you seem to oppose. Even more who aren't authoritarians would also do this.

Clearly, identifying with others politically on the basis of gender is a stupid idea that will lump you into a group with lots of people you think are terribly wrong.

Because that is the way that historically things worked best and made for a strong growing society. I also simply don't want to be the second sex in society and I see no reason the physically stronger sex should be the second sex in any society.
 
Because that is the way that historically things worked best and made for a strong growing society. I also simply don't want to be second sex in society and I see no reason that the physically stronger sex should be the second sex in any society.

How so? We have women's suffrage on a large scale for the first time in history, and it just happens to coincide with the highest standard of living in human history, as well as the most peaceful era of it. People have never been better off than they are today. For crying out loud, we have near-instantaneous communication across the globe, life expectancies that are getting longer for each passing year of births, more social mobility and economic freedom than ever before... Sure, there are places where it's still absolutely awful to live, mostly in the third and second worlds, but for the countries that seem to have embraced equality and liberty, like North America, East Asia and Europe, things have literally never been better (give or take a decade or two, there's some problems with refugees in some places right now). What time period could you possibly want to return to?



...Also, aren't you an anarchist?
 
How so? We have women's suffrage on a large scale for the first time in history, and it just happens to coincide with the highest standard of living in human history, as well as the most peaceful era of it. People have never been better off than they are today. For crying out loud, we have near-instantaneous communication across the globe, life expectancies that are getting longer for each passing year of births, more social mobility and economic freedom than ever before... Sure, there are places where it's still absolutely awful to live, mostly in the third and second worlds, but for the countries that seem to have embraced equality and liberty, like North America, East Asia and Europe, things have literally never been better (give or take a decade or two, there's some problems with refugees in some places right now). What time period could you possibly want to return to?

Do you think women are responsible for that? The truth is historically speaking female dominated societies were inferior in every way to male dominated societies. Hell, even the assumption that women aren't as war hungry is wrong historically speaking.

...Also, aren't you an anarchist?

Is that important?
 
Do you think women are responsible for that? The truth is historically speaking female dominated societies were inferior in every way to male dominated societies. Hell, even the assumption that women aren't as war hungry is wrong historically speaking.



Is that important?

I'm aware that causation and correlation are very different things, but you can't tell me that the times when women didn't have as many rights as they do now were superior to the modern era. Also, do you know why female dominated societies were historically inferior to male dominated ones? Because they didn't exist. There has never been a matriarchal society in human history outside of mythology, as there is not a single primary source account of a matriarchal society.

As for the anarchy thing, it's not important, I just find it strange that an anarchist would feel particularly inclined toward a "strong" leadership of society, given that such "strong" leaderships are usually of the authoritarian variety.
 
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I'm aware that causation and correlation are very different things, but you can't tell me that the times when women didn't have as many rights as they do now were superior to the modern era. Also, name a single matriarchal society in history. I'll wait.

Things generally got better in any society as time marched on, so you will need to do more than just say we are better off than before 1919.

How about six modern ones. Mosuo, Minangkabau, Akan, Bribri, Garo, Nagovisi. The success of those societies is generally the level of success of female dominated societies.

As for the anarchy thing, it's not important, I just find it strange that an anarchist would feel particularly inclined toward a "strong" leadership of society, given that such "strong" leaderships are usually of the authoritarian variety.

Every society will have leaders.
 
Things generally got better in any society as time marched on, so you will need to do more than just say we are better off than before 1919.

How about six modern ones. Mosuo, Minangkabau, Akan, Bribri, Garo, Nagovisi. The success of those societies is generally the level of success of female dominated societies.



Every society will have leaders.

Okay, so I clearly screwed up on society. I can accept that I was wrong about that... to a degree. Now to check your sources:

First thing I checked out was the Minangkabau, and while property is passed matrilineally, they're a conservative ethnic group that places women in charge of domestic affairs while men are in charge of political and religious leadership. I'm not sure I'd call that matriarchal, but that's just me. They also appear to be a wealthy and well-educated minority in SE Asia, so they're actually doing pretty well for themselves.

The Nagovisi is a single tribe in Indonesia, and men are still the breadwinners of society, while women are in charge of agriculture and taking care of the family. This power balance seems to have shifted further into the favor of women since the introduction of cash crops. Not some radical feminist apocalypse if you ask me.

The only non-linguistic source on the Akan I could find in the first page or two of results was Wikipedia, but considering they're ruled by kings, I would say this is just another society that passes possessions down matrilineally. That being said, they're clearly doing something right, given that they're the dominant ethnic group in Ghana, one of the more stable nations in Africa.

The Garo are another matrilinear society, but like the Minangkabau, women are mostly in charge of domestic duties. A simple, agricultural minority in India & friends. Nothing in particular notes it as a failure.

The first society I've looked up that actually struck me as having women actually dominant over men, the Mosuo are a small ethnic population in the mountains of China. Apparently, they have a concept that roughly translates to "walking marriages," where women may pick their partners at-will and couples do not live together. Sounds oddly familiar. They can provide for their basic needs, but anything like an education is prohibitively expensive. Not what I would call a successful society, but that's likely due to living in a resource-poor stretch of isolated mountains.

And finally, the Bribri. Another matrilinear culture, men have some jobs only they are allowed to do (shamans, taking care of funerary rites), same for women (...cacao?). Nothing particularly poor about them, besides the fact that they live in an area where indigenous people are usually poor.

Out of those six groups, two were fairly successful for their area, three were about average, and one was actually much less successful than their neighbors - but that was clearly on account of their ****ty land. If we're counting matrilinear societies as women-dominated, we might as well throw the Jews in since their identity as Jews is matrilinear. That brings the tally for successful groups up to three, by the currently established criteria for matriarchal societies. I'm not seeing much of a problem here, in all honesty.
 
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