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  • They are independent of one another, even if they commonly occur together.

    19 65.52%
  • They are linked. Can't have one with out the other.

    1 3.45%
  • It's possible to be sexually attracted and not romantically, but the opposite cannot happen.

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Behaviors are not genetic in nature,.
    sleeping, eating, talking, walking sexing,loving, mourning, working, seeing, hearing, touching, thinking, worshipping?? See why we say that when a conservative and liberal meet the conservative ends up running a kindergaten?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    if culture is a reflection of genetics, then how is it that a person from one culture and learn and pick up the culture of another? If culture is a reflection of genetics, then to acquire another culture would mean a shift in genetics without a passing on of the genes to mutate/recombine.
    here are your ABC's once again. Evolution is, in effect, many experiments, or, in this case, cultures going on at the same time. Several might be successful to one degree or another at the same time depending on how they affect the interest in or ability to procreate. Got it now?

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    Better is a subjective value.
    if better leads to death or no procreation it is deadly and objective

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post



    I am saying that if they were linked then there would be a dependence, .
    evolution would allow for partial dependence to determine which level of dependence works best. Most fish swim with the school but a few don't so the species survives when a whale eats the school. Makes sense now?

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    its too stupid!! Its like asking what genetic changes occurred last fall that made Games of Thrones popular!! Its beyond stupid!!
    How is it stupid? You made a claim that culture reflects genetics. Thus logically, a change in culture must reflect a change in genetics. Therefore you should be able to show what change in genetics results in what change in culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    sleeping,...seeing, hearing, touching,...
    These are not behaviors, but biological functions. We do all these from the moment we're born

    ... talking, walking sexing...working...worshipping
    These are all learned behaviors. Genetics do not affect theses at all. Tell me what genes affect what religion a person ends up worshipping?

    loving, mourning,...
    While emotions are not exactly learned behavior, they can be changed by learning. For example, babies who are left alone and have no more than their basic physical need taken care of (a sad but common problem among Chinese orphanages) have a lack of or a distorted ability to love. But that aside, what genes affect emotions? How is it that people of different genetic general types (such as "race") all seem to have the same emotions? What genetic changes have resulted in new emotions evolving?

    ...eating,...
    While eating in and of itself is a biological function, how we eat (table manners and such) is behavior and has to be learned.

    ?? See why we say that when a conservative and liberal meet the conservative ends up running a kindergaten?
    And yet you are bringing the kindergarten level thinking to the discussion. You cannot even recognize the difference between biological functions, which can be genetically influenced, from behaviors, which have nothing to do with genetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    here are your ABC's once again. Evolution is, in effect, many experiments, or, in this case, cultures going on at the same time. Several might be successful to one degree or another at the same time depending on how they affect the interest in or ability to procreate. Got it now?
    You are trying to make a spelling bee out of a math exam. You seem to continue to be confusing social evolution to genetic evolution. Nature does not experiment as nature is not a sentient intelligent entity. If there is a deity, which is my belief, then you might have an argument, but no proof. Personally, I think God created evolution as the mechanism by which He allows random changes, or can use for making new ones. Additionally you still need to show how a person can change their own genetics in order to pick up a different culture if culture come from genetics. I am unaware of any human that can change their own genetic within themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    if better leads to death or no procreation it is deadly and objective
    While a lack of procreation can indeed objectively lead to the decline or termination of the species, whether that is better for the planet or not is subjective. There are those who do feel that this world will be better off without us.

    As for death, there are those who are going through excessive pain, to the point where the drugs needed to relieve the pain also puts them into a stupor where they cannot function in any normal manner. To many of these people death is better than continuing to live in such conditions.

    Better and worse are subjective values. There is no getting around it. Even if I wereo to ageee that a given thing was better or worse than another given thing, it would only show that we have aligning opinions on that specific comparison. Got it now?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    evolution would allow for partial dependence to determine which level of dependence works best. Most fish swim with the school but a few don't so the species survives when a whale eats the school. Makes sense now?
    False equivalency. Instinct is not culture. I even acknowledged earlier on that even humans have some instincts, such as the fight or flight response. This is something common across the species, indeed most species. Culture and learning can override our fight or flight response. But we are not changing the genetics of those who accomplish such otherwise their offspring would be born without the response and there is no evidence of such. Make sense now?

    So is it genetics that causes you to display the behavior of not being able to respond to a single post with a single post?
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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Thus logically, a change in culture must reflect a change in genetics.?
    in terms of evolution a culture change must be significant and affect procreation before it becomes genetic. Evolution is about reproduction. So the sudden popularity of Game of Thrones would probably not qualify. 1+ 1=2

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    These are not behaviors, but biological functions. We do all these from the moment we're born
    sleeping, eating, talking, walking sexing,loving, mourning, working, seeing, hearing, touching, thinking, worshipping are all behaviors demanded by our biology and take up virtually 100% of our time energy and thoughts. Try to give up sleeping eating and talking and see how far you get. Nowhere obviously because genetics demands that you behave as directed. Greedy queer behavior is uncivilized and culture should not permit it.

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    in terms of evolution a culture change must be significant and affect procreation before it becomes genetic. Evolution is about reproduction. So the sudden popularity of Game of Thrones would probably not qualify. 1+ 1=2
    You're not just shifting the goalposts here, you are going to the other end of the field. What you just described above is not culture reflecting genetics, but genetics reflecting culture. When A reflects B then B occurs first. The above is completely opposite to what you originally claimed.

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    sleeping, eating, talking, walking sexing,loving, mourning, working, seeing, hearing, touching, thinking, worshipping are all behaviors demanded by our biology and take up virtually 100% of our time energy and thoughts. Try to give up sleeping eating and talking and see how far you get. Nowhere obviously because genetics demands that you behave as directed. Greedy queer behavior is uncivilized and culture should not permit it.
    Looks like math is not your only problem, as you are failing reading comprehension as well. There is a difference between behavior and biological functions. Sleeping, eating, touching, breathing....all biological functions. Worshiping is not a genetic based anything. Where are the genes that demand worshipping? On top of biological functions, I also covered instincts, of which sex, and feelings are covered by. Instincts differ from biological function in that they can be overridden by learning and training. I even gave you the example of the fight or flight response. Worshiping and working are learned behaviors and have no genetics ties. If you want to claim they do, then by all means present your scientific evidence!

    Still I'm impressed. You managed to only split my single post into two posts!

    looking again, I do need to address this bit a little more in detail.
    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    Greedy queer behavior is uncivilized and culture should not permit it.
    If greedy queer behavior is present in a culture, then it is because of evolution according to you. So why should we be fighting evolution?
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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    If greedy queer behavior is present in a culture, then it is because of evolution according to you. So why should we be fighting evolution?
    actually evolution often depends on mutations. Greedy queer behavior is a mutation that will lose out to loving, familial, heterosexual Judeo Christian behavior for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    There is a difference between behavior and biological functions.
    yes but biology dictates behavior

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