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Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

Is sexual attraction separate from romantic attraction?,

  • They are independent of one another, even if they commonly occur together.

    Votes: 23 65.7%

  • They are linked. Can't have one with out the other.

    Votes: 2 5.7%

  • It's possible to be sexually attracted and not romantically, but the opposite cannot happen.

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Total voters
    35
ataraxia said:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits?
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Most importantly, the invention of morality. Jesus and Luther created morality on earth by teaching billions the 10 commandments and thereby reversing Roman amorality. Do you understand?
 
James972 said:
Most importantly, the invention of morality. Jesus and Luther created morality on earth by teaching billions the 10 commandments and thereby reversing Roman amorality. Do you understand?
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Morality predates both Luther and Jesus by quite a bit. Additionally, morality is a subjective value, as seen not only by the large variety worldwide, but just within the Christian religion itself. Do you understand?
 
maquiscat said:
Morality predates both Luther and Jesus by quite a bit.
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really who taught it to billions and ended the Roman Empire's anti morality if not Jesus and Luther?????? Did you think the Pittsburg Steelers did this?
 
maquiscat said:
Not at all. You have provided no evidence or argument to show that they are linked,
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they are linked by culture and hormones, mutually reinforcing, as a general principle. Thus people will want to form families and stay together to raise their children as the forces of evolution would want.
 
maquiscat said:
Are they linked? Are they independent of one another? Most will agree that one can be sexually attracted without being romantically attracted, even if they claim that they need both. It few seem to consider it possible to be romantic attracted without being sexually attracted.

Thoughts?
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The first poll option is the closest to my response, but "independent" implies that they have nothing to do with each other, which I would disagree with. I would go for a fourth option: It's like an overlapping Venn diagram. Asexuality and demisexuality are real, and the desire to **** someone without wanting a steady relationship with them is real.
 
Phys251 said:
The first poll option is the closest to my response, but "independent" implies that they have nothing to do with each other, which I would disagree with. I would go for a fourth option: It's like an overlapping Venn diagram. Asexuality and demisexuality are real, and the desire to **** someone without wanting a steady relationship with them is real.
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desire????? we must determine what desire is and when it is tolerated if we want children to have parents
 
James972 said:
really who taught it to billions and ended the Roman Empire's anti morality if not Jesus and Luther?????? Did you think the Pittsburg Steelers did this?
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Ah so your position is that morality never even existed prior to Jesus, and what? Wasn't widespread until Luther? Seriously, morality was being taught throughout the OT era, per the Bible, before we even look at the fact that it was being taught throughout the world. Although, it would not surprise me that you subscribe to the idea that the only morality is Christian morality as you view Christianity.
 
James972 said:
they are linked by culture and hormones, mutually reinforcing, as a general principle. Thus people will want to form families and stay together to raise their children as the forces of evolution would want.
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Again, what evidence do you present that they are linked? I am not arguing that they are not most often found together. I understand that reality. The same reality applies to marriage and children. The most common occurrence is both occur together. But there is plenty of times when children happen without marriage, and plenty of times that marriage happens without any attempt for children. This shows that they are not linked. So it goes with romantic and sexual attractions. Yes, most often they willl occur together. We all have seen plenty of times that sexual attraction occurs without romantic attraction. So at a minimum we can say A will always have B but B will not always have A. The thing to decide then is I find romantic attraction can occur without sexual attraction. Having experience such a situation myself, I say yes.

You have offered up no proof that both must occur together. Sure we can show where both are hormone driven, and maybe even that there are certain shared hormones in each mix. But what you have never shown is that both must occur simultaneously every time. Do you understand?
 
Phys251 said:
The first poll option is the closest to my response, but "independent" implies that they have nothing to do with each other, which I would disagree with. I would go for a fourth option: It's like an overlapping Venn diagram. Asexuality and demisexuality are real, and the desire to **** someone without wanting a steady relationship with them is real.
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By independent I mean that one does not require the other. As I have shown before, marriage and children often occur together, but both are independent of the other. Likewise with the romantic and sexual attraction. They are related to be sure, but the question is if they are linked.
 
James972 said:
desire????? we must determine what desire is and when it is tolerated if we want children to have parents
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The hell? Whatever consenting adults do in private is their own damn business. Period.
 
maquiscat said:
By independent I mean that one does not require the other. As I have shown before, marriage and children often occur together, but both are independent of the other. Likewise with the romantic and sexual attraction. They are related to be sure, but the question is if they are linked.
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Hmm. We may be talking about two issues here. One is that of asexuality--asexual people can have strong romantic attraction while having negligibly low sexual attraction. But I am not aware of cases of this for people who are not asexual.
 
maquiscat said:
Are they linked? Are they independent of one another? Most will agree that one can be sexually attracted without being romantically attracted, even if they claim that they need both. It few seem to consider it possible to be romantic attracted without being sexually attracted.

Thoughts?
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After thinking about this question for a couple days, the part about this that doesn't really compute with me is romantic attraction. I don't know that I've ever been romantically attracted to anyone or anything I don't know how that could be.

Romance is really the description of the Greek word Eros. Eros is a type of love between a couple who has sex or people who are romantically involved.

For me romance doesn't come until after attraction dating hot stuff it's kind of the end results or a better way to think of it it is the desert if the relationship can be compared to a meal.
 
Phys251 said:
Hmm. We may be talking about two issues here. One is that of asexuality--asexual people can have strong romantic attraction while having negligibly low sexual attraction. But I am not aware of cases of this for people who are not asexual.
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Then I shall present you with one. I am in a poly quad, with it being myself, two wives and another husband. While I am both romantically and sexually attracted to both wives, I hold only a romantic attraction to my husband. I do agree that those who are asexual are a prime example of those who can have romantic but not sexual attraction. They just aren't the only possibilities.
 
maquiscat said:
Then I shall present you with one. I am in a poly quad, with it being myself, two wives and another husband. While I am both romantically and sexually attracted to both wives, I hold only a romantic attraction to my husband. I do agree that those who are asexual are a prime example of those who can have romantic but not sexual attraction. They just aren't the only possibilities.
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Why you wanna make life that difficult? One at a time please! :)
 
CLAX1911 said:
After thinking about this question for a couple days, the part about this that doesn't really compute with me is romantic attraction. I don't know that I've ever been romantically attracted to anyone or anything I don't know how that could be.

Romance is really the description of the Greek word Eros. Eros is a type of love between a couple who has sex or people who are romantically involved.

For me romance doesn't come until after attraction dating hot stuff it's kind of the end results or a better way to think of it it is the desert if the relationship can be compared to a meal.
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I am going to have to disagree with you, although I do see where someone who has not experienced such a separation, would have trouble convincing it. There are people out there who are asexual, i.e. do not have a sexual attraction for either gender (as opposed to both), but still fall in love with people. And as I have noted from my experience, not to mention others within the poly community who have experienced this, I love and am in love with my husband just as much as I am with my wives, I just have no desire towards bedding him.
 
maquiscat said:
I am going to have to disagree with you, although I do see where someone who has not experienced such a separation, would have trouble convincing it. There are people out there who are asexual, i.e. do not have a sexual attraction for either gender (as opposed to both), but still fall in love with people. And as I have noted from my experience, not to mention others within the poly community who have experienced this, I love and am in love with my husband just as much as I am with my wives, I just have no desire towards bedding him.
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So you have no romantic attraction to him. I loved my brother I love my sister. I love my friends but there is no romance in those relationships.
 
maquiscat said:
Ah so your position is that morality never even existed prior to Jesus,.
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please reread for comprehension. I said they taught it to billions and so in effect created morality on earth. You own them everything.
 
maquiscat said:
Again, what evidence do you present that they are linked?
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if sex and love were not linked human children would have no parents. Our prisons are 96% filled with kids who have no father.
 
maquiscat said:
I am going to have to disagree with you, although I do see where someone who has not experienced such a separation, would have trouble convincing it. There are people out there who are asexual, i.e. do not have a sexual attraction for either gender (as opposed to both), but still fall in love with people. And as I have noted from my experience, not to mention others within the poly community who have experienced this, I love and am in love with my husband just as much as I am with my wives, I just have no desire towards bedding him.
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sounds weird and sub optimal for human survival especially when the traditional Republican Christian family falls apart in low resource places like Africa.
 
James972 said:
if sex and love were not linked human children would have no parents
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Sex and love aren't linked. Alligators have offspring and it isn't even known if they can feel love or anything. Baby alligators have parents.

Our prisons are 96% filled with kids who have no father.
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Well every person that ever lived had a father. Women lack the ability to procreate asexually.

96% of the prison population has fathers that aren't involved in their lives. That's proof positive sex and love aren't linked, if they were fathers would love their children enough to be part of their life.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Sex and love aren't linked. Alligators have offspring and it isn't even known if they can feel love or anything. Baby alligators have parents.
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great argument except humans are not alligators. OMG!!!!
 
CLAX1911 said:
96% of the prison population has fathers that aren't involved in their lives. That's proof positive sex and love aren't linked, if they were fathers would love their children enough to be part of their life.
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actually its proof positive that liberalism does not work. When kids don't have fathers kids go to prison,OD, commit suicide.
 
James972 said:
actually its proof positive that liberalism does not work.
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Do you mean democrats when you say liberals? Because more freedoms and liberties are liberal. Liber means free.

I'd agree that socialism doesn't work but that isn't liberalism.

When kids don't have fathers kids go to prison,OD, commit suicide.
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All kids have fathers women can't reproduce asexually.
 
James972 said:
great argument except humans are not alligators. OMG!!!!
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But they still have offspring and the offspring still have parents in that regard we are alike because we are a species that reproduces sexually, not romantically or with love.

Love is completely irrelevant to the biological function of procreation
 
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