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Not Hitting Women: Sexist?

Yea. I think I would be less likely to tolerate the behavior from a man. I think most men would. And I'm all for contact training with women in martial arts too. My girlfriend does kickboxing and wants to do karate now too (street oriented). I have trained with plenty of women in BJJ as well. One of the best to come through our class was a woman. I beat her all the time because I had more time in. Not because of sex or size.

But all that aside. I still think I'm less likely to hit a woman.


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This is why feminists are a joke to me - they should spend as much time asking to be hit when they deserve it as they do for cops and prosecutors to take rape accusations seriously. And for men who were victimized (yes they do exist) to come forward. In short, they should focus on ending double standards and not on an agenda to get what they want only when it benefits them and **** everyone else. Then again, that's why most every special interest group is a joke to me - lies about what they really stand for
 
I witnessed an incident yesterday that made me ponder this concept. It was a minor traffic accident and the woman was at fault. She had backed up into someone but was upset and blaming them (guy was in aisle and had right of way). She was screaming at him and getting into face. Incident settled though with no actual violence.

Had she been a male, I had a feeling she probably would have gotten struck. She was in the guys face screaming pointing and even poked him with her finger. So I'm wondering? Is it sexist not to hit a woman in an incident like this? Assuming that if she was a man...she would get hit?


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First, reality: Yes, a man doing this to another man would be more likely to eat a fist than when a woman acts that way, because reasons.


Legal analysis: a physical response to in-face-yelling and poking falls into a grey area. Assault occurs when a credible threat of imminent harm exists and requires the three components of ability, opportunity and intent (the latter formally called Jeopardy in recent years). Verbal threats combined with aggressive entering of your personal space could fulfill opportunity and intent, leaving Ability as a question mark.

This is where the question mark comes in, and the differences that will be considered (in most legal venues) between the aggressor being a 120 lb woman, a 200 lb man, or a 300 lb woman, all of which have different connotations of "Ability". Weapons would factor in if any were visibly present.

Assuming an average sized man and an average sized woman, and no weapons, Ability becomes iffy and without that third leg to the triangle claiming Assault to justify Self-Defense becomes iffy. Not impossible, just iffy.

If the aggressor were a man of similar size and physicality the matter would still be somewhat in question depending on the totality of circumstances. What verbal threats were made could factor in... ie whether threats were made verbally, and whether they were credible or indicated intent to inflict severe harm.

The level of physical response would be a factor. Reasonably sure you could get away with pushing the subject's poky-hand away, or pushing the subject away. Putting the subject into a restraining hold without medical injury would be more likely to pass muster than punching them. Your chances of getting away with a single punch would be somewhat greater than if you beat the subject unmercifully and put them in hospital.

Legally, a better immediate response would be to attempt to safely exit the scene while warning the subject that they should keep back.


Personally...

Act like a lady and I'll treat you like one. Act like a threat and I will assess the threat and calculate my response with little regard for gender considerations, just legalities and tactics.


Addendum: I'm not a Vulcan. Provoke me too much and I can't promise a reasoned reaction.
 
I think it has less to do with sexism, and more to do with whether or not you're a d-bag. Generally men are physically stronger than women, this is a biological reality in the majority of cases. If you're beating up people smaller than you, outside of some kind of consensual or competitive situation, such as a mixed weight class sparring match, that's a d-bag move.

I think equality comes into it when you apply the concept that both men and women should be equally protected from criminal violence. There are places in the world today where this is not the case, and in America it was first made illegal to beat your wife, as an example, in 1920, and then it took another 50 years to treat domestic violence as a serious crime, vs. a private matter. The fact that I wouldn't hit a woman isn't gender driven, it's because violence is wrong. However, if I had to defend myself, or my family, my level of response would not be gender driven either.

All this being said, anyone who gets into a physical altercation over a minor traffic incident is a child.

To the final...yes. Exactly. And that is kind of the point. She was finger poking the dude over something that was her fault. He didn't hit her. But I have to suspect that a man would get less leeway on being a douche. ESPECIALLY if actual touching occurs.

Really ask yourself if you would be more likely to tolerate an equal sized man or woman getting aggressive and in your face? And really think about your reaction too. As someone already pointed out...if said person actually did become a threat...you could still go to Jail a lot easier if you defend yourself against a woman (successfully).


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Punching someone is actually a crime, OP, and most of us don't do it even when the victim is a male.

Hope this helps you with your questions about whether it is ok to commit a crime.
 
If I saw a woman being pummeled on the ground appearing to be unable to effectively defend herself, I would intervene on her behalf regardless of whether she "deserved" it or whatever. Greater physical power (sorry ladies, most of the time that is just the case) means a greater responsibility to keep it in check.
 
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I witnessed an incident yesterday that made me ponder this concept. It was a minor traffic accident and the woman was at fault. She had backed up into someone but was upset and blaming them (guy was in aisle and had right of way). She was screaming at him and getting into face. Incident settled though with no actual violence.

Had she been a male, I had a feeling she probably would have gotten struck. She was in the guys face screaming pointing and even poked him with her finger. So I'm wondering? Is it sexist not to hit a woman in an incident like this? Assuming that if she was a man...she would get hit?


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Under those circumstances, no.

If it were self-defense that would be a different matter.
 
I witnessed an incident yesterday that made me ponder this concept. It was a minor traffic accident and the woman was at fault. She had backed up into someone but was upset and blaming them (guy was in aisle and had right of way). She was screaming at him and getting into face. Incident settled though with no actual violence.

Had she been a male, I had a feeling she probably would have gotten struck. She was in the guys face screaming pointing and even poked him with her finger. So I'm wondering? Is it sexist not to hit a woman in an incident like this? Assuming that if she was a man...she would get hit?


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Hitting anybody is a crime.

If a man was doing that to a man and the "victim" pushed the attacking guy away to get some space that is fine.

If a woman was doing that to a man and the "victim" pushed the attacking woman away to get some space that is fine too.

Legally though cops will probably arrest the man pushing the woman away. The laws, cops and Judges are sexist.
 
I would have to say from my experience that I would not perceive her to be the same threat as I would a male. If that's sexist, then I guess it is, although I don't think it is.

That is the thing... the level of the threat.

Unless a woman starts doing jujitsu on me I am not worried in the slightest about getting hurt. I was attacked once by a woman that knew judo and I just backed up doing a couple of blocks and dodges and it was over. A guy though? Bigger, stronger where one lucky punch might cause some damage? Well, that guy in my face putting his finger on me will cause me to back up to give space but if he follows me then we might have an incident on our hands.
 
Legally though cops will probably arrest the man pushing the woman away. The laws, cops and Judges are sexist.

There is enormous bias against men.

I understand that Joe Mixon broke the law, but I am thankful to him.

There are two reasons why men should be grateful to Joe Mixon. First, even though Joe Mixon did break the law, supporting him is not against the law. Second, Joe Mixon's response to the attack by Amelia Molitor would deter similar acts of abuse.
 
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Defense after a physical assault (which a poke is) using equivalent force (the hands) would be legally defensible and within the four corners of all the statutes I am aware of. However, that does not include verbal assault unless the verbal assault includes threats to your life and you have a reasonable expectation that the person making the threats will carry out the threat.

well it depends, you can throw a punch in such a way as to be construed as deadly force, especially in a M-F altercation.
 
That is the thing... the level of the threat.

Unless a woman starts doing jujitsu on me I am not worried in the slightest about getting hurt. I was attacked once by a woman that knew judo and I just backed up doing a couple of blocks and dodges and it was over. A guy though? Bigger, stronger where one lucky punch might cause some damage? Well, that guy in my face putting his finger on me will cause me to back up to give space but if he follows me then we might have an incident on our hands.

Exactly. One more thing - if they have a weapon that can cause me serious harm (not a stick or bat, but a knife or Taser or gun) then all bets are off, male or female.
 
well it depends, you can throw a punch in such a way as to be construed as deadly force, especially in a M-F altercation.

We can what if this to death. But suffice to say, if you use equivalent force and only to the level required to prevent harm to yourself -- defensive, not offensive -- then you should be okay in court, if it ever got to that point. If you kill the person, well, then you've got a problem but you may be able to prove self defense and walk even with that. The key is to not lose your temper and keep your situational awareness about you, so you stop before you go too far. or to run before they go too far and kill you.
 
I witnessed an incident yesterday that made me ponder this concept. It was a minor traffic accident and the woman was at fault. She had backed up into someone but was upset and blaming them (guy was in aisle and had right of way). She was screaming at him and getting into face. Incident settled though with no actual violence.

Had she been a male, I had a feeling she probably would have gotten struck. She was in the guys face screaming pointing and even poked him with her finger. So I'm wondering? Is it sexist not to hit a woman in an incident like this? Assuming that if she was a man...she would get hit?


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I think it's wrong to use physical force against someone who can't defend themselves against you. For example if you're a 200lb marshal arts expert and some 100 lb guy is poking you in the chest, it would be cowardly to take him down, physically. You could also really hurt someone if you're bigger and stronger than them, and that's not anything to be proud of, either.
 
What if the man is the same size as her? You'd still be more likely to strike i bet. You know you can get away with it easier, and you get to perpetuate the whole double standard and the chivalry nonsense

Yeah i have to say it's most likely sexist both from society/law enforcement, the woman lashing out, and the man who lets her

If the person, woman or man could possibly harm you, then it's acceptable in my opinion to respond with physical force if you can't otherwise calm the other person down. For example you could threaten to call the police and charge the other person with assault. If that doesn't work, you shouldn't allow yourself to be harmed.
 
If someone touches me, they're getting touched back. Penis or vagina, don't care.
 
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