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How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?[W:59]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

calamity said:
Men kill far more women who try to leave them than vice versa.
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He was calling me gay, you know.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I think we should factor in the emotional abuse too, then it looks pretty even up to me.

This is one of the many reasons that the Violence Against Women Act needs a new name...pronto!
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The CDC one... or another i was looking at... stated women are much much more emotionally abusive. Something like 70%.
 
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Henrin said:
He was calling me gay, you know.
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I didn't see it that way. Maybe he was just suggesting that being gay has its advantages.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
The CDC one... or another i was looking at... stated women are much much more emotionally abusive. Something like 70%.
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Men typically die first. Something like 70% die before their wives. I'm sure there's a reason.
 
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jimithyashford said:
Do you have a meaningful reply to the content you quoted? Seems to be a nonsequitor.
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You mean like your OP in where the only thing you seem to be saying is mens rights advocates are just a bunch of whiney crybabies because its never happened to you?

If you ever go through the court system you will learn first hand how bias and one sided the law is in favor of women. Thats not equality.

Its not equality to only draft our sons for war. Its not equality to only give women a choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy.

The shaming tactic your trying to employ in this thread is not unnoticed and its disgraceful.

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Bodhisattva said:
You asked for what I wanted in order to change my mind and I said: EVIDENCE

I said give me evidence that the USA has a culture of rape. You have provided ZERO EVIDENCE.

That is something else that is learned in Debating 101. The fact that you asked for my standard was not strange or ridiculous. The fact that you will simply not offer anything to back up your claim is what is ridiculous.

Offer something. Anything as evidence. One thing. WE could have been deep into the actual topic if you just made your case too... in court the Judge says, "prosecution, begin your case" and what the prosecution does NOT do is ask the Jury or Judge what they want to see... they just present their case... with evidence. this is very VERY basic.
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I did, I offered 3 or 4 things, you instantly dismissed them.

And no, when asked what your standards of evidence are, just saying "evidence" is not an answer to that question. Gimme a break.
 
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trouble13 said:
You mean like your OP in where the only thing you seem to be saying is mens rights advocates are just a bunch of whiney crybabies because its never happened to you?

If you ever go through the court system you will learn first hand how bias and one sided the law is in favor of women. Thats not equality.

Its not equality to only draft our sons for war. Its not equality to only give women a choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy.

The shaming tactic your trying to employ in this thread is not unnoticed and its disgraceful.

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That's fine and all, but none of that stuff you just listed is what those guys, or I, were talking about. In fact in my experience MRAs spend very little time actually discussing those legit issues like you've just mentioned and spend about 90% of their time complaining about women who were mean to them and saying derogatory things about feminists.

Just go to an MRA forum right now, go ahead, and look at the currently active topics. I'd put $100 down right now that of the top 20 like "hot" threads or currently active threads, maybe 1 or 2 are about any of those legit issues, and most of them are Pick up artist stuff, insulting feminists, talking about what a bitches women are for not blowing you even after you do nice things for them, stuff like that.
 
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trouble13 said:
You mean like your OP in where the only thing you seem to be saying is mens rights advocates are just a bunch of whiney crybabies because its never happened to you?

If you ever go through the court system you will learn first hand how bias and one sided the law is in favor of women. Thats not equality.

Its not equality to only draft our sons for war. Its not equality to only give women a choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy.

The shaming tactic your trying to employ in this thread is not unnoticed and its disgraceful.

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Well, it is boys who play army. So, maybe being drafted into a war is more or less their idea. Eh?

If you could get pregnant, I am sure the law would give you more rights in the decision to terminate it than the partner who is not...you know, actually pregnant. :roll:
 
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calamity said:
Well, it is boys who play army. So, maybe being drafted into a war is more or less their idea. Eh?

If you could get pregnant, I am sure the law would give you more rights in the decision to terminate it than the partner who is not...you know, actually pregnant. :roll:
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Queens weren't exactly opposed to war. Anyway, since women can now get into all roles in the military (don't know if they actually are in all roles) it seems fitting to expand the draft rules to them.
 
jimithyashford said:
I did, I offered 3 or 4 things, you instantly dismissed them.

And no, when asked what your standards of evidence are, just saying "evidence" is not an answer to that question. Gimme a break.
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You offered some opinions... nothing more. If you had something instead of crying for twenty posts you would just offer the proof.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
The CDC one... or another i was looking at... stated women are much much more emotionally abusive. Something like 70%.
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Sure, this is common knowledge, which the feminists encourage us to ignore because honesty is not a thing for them. They also tend to not want to talk about how their precious victims tend to turn into abusers.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You offered some opinions... nothing more. If you had something instead of crying for twenty posts you would just offer the proof.
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sigh.....you cannot "prove" things like sexism and racism, you can only make compelling inference. You must be smart enough to know that.

I dunno why we're doing this. Look, you keep talking to me in a tone of voice as if I am some mook or weirdo for asking for you to give a sense of your what kind of evidence you would want to see to compel you to change your mind. You keep speaking to me in a tone of voice as if I don't know how constructive dialogue works. I dunno who you think you are impressing by speaking in that manner, I assure you it is only yourself. These are very common standard expectations of constructive debate.

If you are unable to do so, then I judge you close minded and refuse to have the conversation with you. If you want to frame this conversation in your mind in a way as if you've "won" something by refusing to cooperate with basic questions about your position and its falsefiability, then ok, suit yourself I guess, I dunno why that appeals to you, but I guess it does.

If you think that makes me unreasonable or the mook in this conversation then so be it. But those are my terms, you seem unwilling or unable to meet them. I strongly suspect you don't want to elaborate on what would convince you because then I have a goal to hit, which is exactly what you don't want to give me. You would much rather I be trying to hit an invisible goal that you can move at will, and I understand why you want that, cause you have no interest in meaningfully discussing the topic, you just want to argue and feel smug. Which is fine, but that is not the game I am here to play.
 
jimithyashford said:
sigh.....you cannot "prove" things like sexism and racism, you can only make compelling inference. You must be smart enough to know that.

I dunno why we're doing this. Look, you keep talking to me in a tone of voice as if I am some mook or weirdo for asking for you to give a sense of your what kind of evidence you would want to see to compel you to change your mind. You keep speaking to me in a tone of voice as if I don't know how constructive dialogue works. I dunno who you think you are impressing by speaking in that manner, I assure you it is only yourself. These are very common standard expectations of constructive debate.

If you are unable to do so, then I judge you close minded and refuse to have the conversation with you. If you want to frame this conversation in your mind in a way as if you've "won" something by refusing to cooperate with basic questions about your position and its falsefiability, then ok, suit yourself I guess, I dunno why that appeals to you, but I guess it does.

If you think that makes me unreasonable or the mook in this conversation then so be it. But those are my terms, you seem unwilling or unable to meet them. I strongly suspect you don't want to elaborate on what would convince you because then I have a goal to hit, which is exactly what you don't want to give me. You would much rather I be trying to hit an invisible goal that you can move at will, and I understand why you want that, cause you have no interest in meaningfully discussing the topic, you just want to argue and feel smug. Which is fine, but that is not the game I am here to play.
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You said that the USA has a culture of rape. Now you are changing it to racism and sexism. I guess this is your way of attempting to wiggle out of making some stupid assertions. *shrugs*

And for christ's sake i said what it would take to convince me... evidence. Some. Any. Please. Just debate and stop whining already. :roll:
 
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jimithyashford said:
That's fine and all, but none of that stuff you just listed is what those guys, or I, were talking about. In fact in my experience MRAs spend very little time actually discussing those legit issues like you've just mentioned and spend about 90% of their time complaining about women who were mean to them and saying derogatory things about feminists.

Just go to an MRA forum right now, go ahead, and look at the currently active topics. I'd put $100 down right now that of the top 20 like "hot" threads or currently active threads, maybe 1 or 2 are about any of those legit issues, and most of them are Pick up artist stuff, insulting feminists, talking about what a bitches women are for not blowing you even after you do nice things for them, stuff like that.
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I cant comment on the content of sites i dont frequent. I can comment on the fact that there is plenty of inequality both culturally and legally between the genders. The feminists seem to want acess to areas that have been tradionaly male arenas but resistant to allowing men into domains that tradionaly belinged to women. Equality means give and take by both sides but i see more taking than giving from women.

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calamity said:
Well, it is boys who play army. So, maybe being drafted into a war is more or less their idea. Eh?

If you could get pregnant, I am sure the law would give you more rights in the decision to terminate it than the partner who is not...you know, actually pregnant. :roll:
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Are men and women equals or not?

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trouble13 said:
Are men and women equals or not?

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Not in my house. We have separate responsibilities. She is better at what she does than I am and vice versa. Probably explains why we are still together.
 
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calamity said:
Not in my house. We have separate responsibilities. She is better at what she does than I am and vice versa. Probably explains why we are still together.
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Outstanding post! My wife almost failed High School. She always hated studying and always planned on being a housewife. Feminism only adds to her aversion of learning English.
 
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SDET said:
Outstanding post! My wife almost failed High School. She always hated studying and always planned on being a housewife. Feminism only adds to her aversion of learning English.
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I see nothing wrong with separate roles, as long as both people like their roles, of course.
 
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Henrin said:
Ever hear the term toxic masculinity? Did you ever notice how feminists use that to describe whatever they don't like about male culture? Ever notice how feminists want to change men and their culture? Ever notice how feminists actually made it a point in the sixties and seventies to change the behavior of men? Ever notice how they are still doing that today? Why do feminists get to dictate to men how they will behave?
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Hey now, I am a dedicated feminist. But for me, a feminist is somebody who likes being a woman and that means she likes guys who are guys. It's okay to divide up the work load/chores according to interest, skills, and who has the most ability even though both will at time do stuff you do just because it needs doing and not because you want to do it. It's okay for guys to do guy things with guys and gals to do gal things with gals or each do both with each other at times. Stay at home moms are a-okay, working moms are a-okay, women who forego marriage and/or family and focus exclusively on their careers are a-okay.

I enjoy having a gentleman escort me, help me out of the car, open the door for me if he enjoys doing that. If not, meh, who cares? I admire men who are good role models for their and other children, and I enjoy men and women who are competent, effective, efficient, and strong without being mean or insulting or abusive.

Telling me I am not capable of doing something is like waving a flag in front of a bull. I won't believe you. At the same time I appreciate that we all, men and woman, have our own unique aptitude, strengths, instincts, and abilities and these should be encouraged.

The man-hating or man-demoralizing rude, crude, demanding, emasculating women don't deserve the term, so I call them militant feminists or extremist or using Rush LImbaugh's favorite term: 'feminazis'. :)
 
There is no "the feminists," no monolithic group.
 
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