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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you ever consider that maybe you just don't see your own situation for what it is?
    I have invited you many many times in this thread so far to please elaborate on how I am being hurt or victimized by any of this. It is possible that I actually am being and just don't realize it. If you would care to elaborate on ways that I might be affected, common ways that you see that men are hurt or victimized by women and feminism, I will be glad to reflect on whether or not those issue impact me.

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithyashford View Post
    Has my gender been undermined? I feel like a man, I have a fairly strong sense of my own gender. Please to tell me how my gender has been undermined.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you think the manscaping manbun skinny jean wearing girly boys are comparable to the men in the fifties? Well, do you?


    Young people engaging in new fashion choices that old people don't like has happened since people had the money to afford fashion. What is strange is when self-professed straight males get mad about what other males do with their **** hair. I can understand a gay man posting that he doesn't want a lot of hair in his teeth after giving a beej, but why does it drive you up the wall?

    Please do also note that there were many male rock stars in the 60s-80s who worry very skinny jeans, wore long hair (I confess I don't know about their **** hair), and bedded more women than you so much as dreamed about bedding.
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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithyashford View Post
    Yeah, I've run into a lot of it in my life, stupid sexist standards foisted upon men. It sucks. I certainly have never been hurt or been victimized by any women calling out toxic masculinity. In fact I've benefited in a few ways. Have you every been hurt or victimized by the highlighting of toxic masculinity?
    So masculinity standards are sexist against men. So basically I'm talking to a feminist. Good to know.

    I've heard lots of feminists say lots of smart and insightful things about male culture, and some say some stupid things. I've taken to heart the smart things and ignored the stupid things, pretty much the same way I treat all smart/stupid ideas. I've certainly never been hurt or victimized by it. Have you?
    Why do they have any input into male culture? Why should men even begin to care what they think?

    In what way did the changes to the gender dynamic from the 60s and 70s hurt or victimize me? I have somehow managed to live my whole life without feeling somehow victimized by the fact that women of a previous generation fought for better pay and to have men at the office not slap their ass and call them Toots. I certainly have never felt my life experience or role as a man to be diminished because I can't make crude advances towards my female coworkers at the water cooler. Have you?
    Really? So you're unaware of what feminists were doing with how men behaved in relationships? Do don't recall ever reading about feminists in the sixties demanding men do more housework or things like that?

    Well, we do live in something called a society, where we call have to come together and agree to standards of behavior when dealing with each other. Everyone in a society gets a partial say on how everyone else gets to act. That's in the nature of community. Why do feminists get a say on the way men act? Because it effects them, the same reason that anyone in a society gets any any room or right or basis to influence/impact/correct/complain about anyone else's behavior.
    No, they don't. Men get to decide how men act, period.

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you think the manscaping manbun skinny jean wearing girly boys are comparable to the men in the fifties? Well, do you?
    I don't understand what you mean. Do I think that modern male fashion looks better than 50s men's fashion? Um, I don't have a strong opinion on manbuns or jean cuts one way or the other....

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Young people engaging in new fashion choices that old people don't like has happened since people had the money to afford fashion. What is strange is when self-professed straight males get mad about what other males do with their **** hair.



    Please do also note that there were many male rock stars in the 60s-80s who worry very skinny jeans, wore long hair (I confess I don't know about their **** hair), and bedded more women than you so much as dreamed about bedding.
    Men in the seventies were fags. No, that is not an insult to gay people, but saying that, even gay dudes would probably think that **** was gay. Oh and yes, shaving your junk and wearing a bun and thinking wearing tight pants is girly ****.

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithyashford View Post
    I don't understand what you mean. Do I think that modern male fashion looks better than 50s men's fashion? Um, I don't have a strong opinion on manbuns or jean cuts one way or the other....
    Do you think the modern man is as masculine as those men? Yes or no?

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That's because you don't disagree with them on things they consider off-limits. Try skating the edge a bit and see what happens.
    That's not what I mean. I mean it doesn't hurt or victimize me to not be able to smack my co-workers ass. Like, let's just pretend that I did think that slapping my coworker's asses was cool and something I wanted to do. If there is a rule saying I can't.....that doesn't like victimize me or hurt me or put me down. It's not like I am somehow harmed by or being oppressed by not slapping asses at work. Do you feel oppressed or hurt or victimized when you want to slap an ass and can't? You've got some weird sense of entitlement man.

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithyashford View Post
    That's not what I mean. I mean it doesn't hurt or victimize me to not be able to smack my co-workers ass. Like, let's just pretend that I did think that slapping my coworker's asses was cool and something I wanted to do. If there is a rule saying I can't.....that doesn't like victimize me or hurt me or put me down. It's not like I am somehow harmed by or being oppressed by not slapping asses at work. Do you feel oppressed or hurt or victimized when you want to slap an ass and can't? You've got some weird sense of entitlement man.
    That would be assault. And what in the hell is wrong with feeling entitled? Women feel entitled to all kinds of stuff, so why can't I?

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    Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithyashford View Post
    So, I spent some time over the weekend in the company of people who, I do not know if they would call themselves MRAs, but they were definitely from the "feminism is BS, Feminism victimizes Men, Feminism seeks to turn men into cucks and betas, Feminism wants to weaken and socially displace Men, Feminism is the root of practically every problem for the modern male" school. I'm sure you know the type, and they really seemed to feel it deeply. They were resentful and angry at women that mad manipulated them into terrible relationships or dragged them along and used them or who got years worth of friendship out of them while making them feel the might have a chance but they never got any sex, or who made them feel ashamed for being a man and made them feel lost and helpless in the world etc etc etc, I'm sure you've all heard these things before as well.

    So I didn’t argue with these guys, I just listened and probed, just listed and asked questions and nodded. And the prevailing theme seems to be that everything is women’s fault. It's women's fault they’re broke and women's fault their kid's dont speak to them and women's fault they have emotional issues its women's fault they drink it women’s fault they got that DUI, its women’s fault they don’t know what to do with their life. Women are bitches and shouldn’t be trusted and are only a pair and tits and ass and good for a **** them leave them, and it’s women’s fault they talk that way about women because of the way previous women victimized them.

    So I am listening to this and I am just blown away. All I keep thinking is "Man, I have had a radically different experience with women than these guys."

    I'm not an old salt, but I'm by no means a spring chicken either. I'm 30 and I've had plenty of relationships that ranged from one night stands up to full on cohabitating multi-year pseudo marriage and everything in between. I've had good relationships that made everything seem better and bad ones that gut you and require you to rebuild once they are over. All that jazz.

    But I have hardly ever felt victimized even by a woman in particular and never felt victimized by women as a gender in general. I have never felt like I needed to feel ashamed for being a man. I have never felt like I have been displaced or had my masculine identity or social place undermined or threatened. I have never felt particularly manipulated or tricked or deceived by women. All of these experiences that these MRAish types go on and on about are just utterly foreign to me.

    That is not to say I've never known crummy dishonest manipulative vain greedy women, of course I have, but not like, more so than men, not more so than just the average fact that occasionally in your life you come across such people. I certainly have never felt like women or feminists as some sort of coalition have wronged me in any way.

    How is it that all of these men feel so oppressed and victimized by women and feminism, when I have never felt that way? How have I never run into these, apparently, incredibly personally affecting gender dynamics these guys all seem to have themselves wrapped up in knots over?

    Am I just incredibly lucky? Do I just surround myself with a higher caliber of person and therefore don't usually end up romantically entangled with those types of people?

    Or is it maybe that these resentful butt hurt old boys club is blind to the fact that they are their own biggest problem. I encounter the exact same social landscape they do, in fact most of my friends are liberal so I probably encounter even more of these ultra feminist types than they do, and yet I do not have these problems....that would indicate either there is something particularly special about me (which I don't think there is) or these guys are actually their own problem without realizing it.

    And it can’t just be that I am not old enough or have not been in enough relationships for the true ugly side of women to have shown themselves to me. I know plenty of SUPER salty MRA types younger than I. And many who are older than I but have had fewer relationships. And plenty of old men who live their whole lives never getting this anti-women saltiness.
    Could it possibly be that the reason you have zero issues with these "ultra feminists" and liberal friends is because you're the very same way? I mean, this entire likes whoring serman would mean more if it wasn't from someone who is just the same as the people he's defending. S*** dude, defending people you agree with most the time isn't exactly difficult.
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