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Why do Women Put up with Clothing Companies?

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We are getting some dress clothing for my girlfriend. Something I noticed while grabbing off the rack was how ridiculous women's clothing sizes are. I am just wondering why women don't use a normal measuring pattern for clothing it seems ridiculous.


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We are getting some dress clothing for my girlfriend. Something I noticed while grabbing off the rack was how ridiculous women's clothing sizes are. I am just wondering why women don't use a normal measuring pattern for clothing it seems ridiculous.

You are a greenhorn ain't ya.... ;)

Why does the system have to match what you think it should be? You want to wear women's clothing? What women, who work retail, tell me is the system you mock helps women because they are more than just waist and inseam. Unlike men, most women have waists AND 'hips' (butts). While 75% of men of the same waist and inseam can wear the same pants the same can't be said of women. The names like Misses, junior, petite are meaningless to knuckle dragging smucks but do clue more savvy women to what racks hold clothes that flatter their figures.

I'd suggest you do what successful married men do, tag along and offer only vague opinion- 'it is colorful', 'blue is my favorite color', 'I'm not good at fashion but they sure show off your butt!'...

Leave the deeper thought to your partner... :peace
 
You are a greenhorn ain't ya.... ;)

Why does the system have to match what you think it should be? You want to wear women's clothing? What women, who work retail, tell me is the system you mock helps women because they are more than just waist and inseam. Unlike men, most women have waists AND 'hips' (butts). While 75% of men of the same waist and inseam can wear the same pants the same can't be said of women. The names like Misses, junior, petite are meaningless to knuckle dragging smucks but do clue more savvy women to what racks hold clothes that flatter their figures.

I'd suggest you do what successful married men do, tag along and offer only vague opinion- 'it is colorful', 'blue is my favorite color', 'I'm not good at fashion but they sure show off your butt!'...

Leave the deeper thought to your partner... :peace

or better yet: Go peruse the sporting goods while your significant other shops in peace.

I heard about a man who actually went out and bought the exact same dress his wife had just bought, only in a size smaller, then switched them in her closet.

Don't know if he's still married. If he is, he's a wiser man today.
 
We are getting some dress clothing for my girlfriend. Something I noticed while grabbing off the rack was how ridiculous women's clothing sizes are. I am just wondering why women don't use a normal measuring pattern for clothing it seems ridiculous.


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The one thing I can never ever ever understand about women and what they wear is the shoes. They wear shoes that are beyond flimsy, are uncomfortable, restrict their movements and can cost a small fortune.

Can any women explain how in the world you all got conned into this scam?
 
The one thing I can never ever ever understand about women and what they wear is the shoes. They wear shoes that are beyond flimsy, are uncomfortable, restrict their movements and can cost a small fortune.

Can any women explain how in the world you all got conned into this scam?

Once you figure that one out, work on the thousand dollar handbag scam, or the one karat diamond, or the fifty dollar lipstick. Or hundred dollar underwear.

Once you figure those out, write a book. You'll get rich.
 
The one thing I can never ever ever understand about women and what they wear is the shoes. They wear shoes that are beyond flimsy, are uncomfortable, restrict their movements and can cost a small fortune.

Can any women explain how in the world you all got conned into this scam?

Once you figure that one out, work on the thousand dollar handbag scam, or the one karat diamond, or the fifty dollar lipstick. Or hundred dollar underwear.

Once you figure those out, write a book. You'll get rich.

I think the answer is here, somewhere, maybe around page 10,567:

book.jpg
 
The problem of understanding women started with Adam. The Lord told Adam he needed a help meet, and Adam said, "Can you make me one I'll understand?"
"I can do anything, even that, but it will cost you an arm and a leg."
"Oh. Well, what can I get for a rib?"



The rest is history.
 
That's volume 1. Shoes are in volume 4.

i used to have a paperback entitled "Everything Men Know About Women."

it was a couple hundred blank pages.
 
The one thing I can never ever ever understand about women and what they wear is the shoes. They wear shoes that are beyond flimsy, are uncomfortable, restrict their movements and can cost a small fortune.

Can any women explain how in the world you all got conned into this scam?

Most women get conned into it because there are almost no alternatives, and of the few there are, a lot of people just can't afford them.

They just don't make quality women's shoes. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, all you're paying for is fashion or the brand. The quality of the shoe is still going to suck. Shoes for women are very much built on the "planned obsolescence" principle.

I personally am a quality and comfort-based shopper. I don't do heels and that kind of thing. I'm certainly not alone in that amongst women, but I can see why a lot of women give up and just buy what looks good.

It took me years to figure this out, because I knew that when men spend more on shoes, they get more quality. I tried to do this when I started being financially better off, because good shoes are worth investing in. But no matter how much I spent, I kept winding up with uncomfortable crap that broke down in a season for two.

That is by design. Often, shoe companies that do men and woman's lines will still make crappy shoes for women, but good ones for men. For an example, look at Fry's. It's almost insulting how blatantly inferior their women's line is in terms of quality of construction. And yet they cost just as much money as the men's shoes, if not more.

At the end of the day, in order to get quality shoes that will last me years, I had about a handful of choices of companies, all of which were very expensive. I was fine with it being expensive, as long as the quality came with it and was the same as the comparative men's shoe.

I wound up getting Wesco boots discounted from factory seconds (they actually didn't have flaws; they were just never picked up by the customer who I guess had more money than sense, and as a result they were still knocked down to about half price). They are the ****ing best. Expensive as hell, but I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be buried in those boots. I've had them for 2 years now and I still get asked if they're new, and "how they're breaking in." They don't even need a resole yet, and I've done lots and lots of miles in these things.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the ONLY aesthetic that quality women's shoes come in: leather ****-kickers. Fortunately I'm totally in to that. You have stuff like Docs and Grinders in the midrange, and then up to stuff like Wesco for the higher end. But if that's not your aesthetic, which it isn't for most women... sorry, you're basically SOL. That's all there is.

Basically, if you want even passable quality women's shoes, there's no way you'll spend less than $150, and you only have one choice of look.

So, women buy into the con because there aren't very many other options.

Just one of the millions of ways a sex-divided market rips women off. Women in the know also buy men's razors: they're sharper and less expensive simultaneously.
 
I'll second that, quality shoes are hard to find, even for men. Even new balance has taken a hit. My wife and I now buy Merrills, which are plain work shoes. Back when I jogged, I would go through a pair of new balance every 6 months, which is rediculous, IMO. Finding good running shoes is impossible, even if you've got 200 bucks to drop on them. In high school, I had a pair of Nike cross trainers that lasted almost 4 years. And that was with running a minimum of 1 miler per day, between soccer and wrestling.
 
My wife hates it. One way to avoid it is to shop in the men's department and wear neutral clothing, but that's a sad alternative.
Shoes, yeah, it's a mess. Shoes in general are a mess.
We wear high cushion, high quality sneakers with huge toeboxes for most anything other than going out to a fancy dinner/meeting.

Go to a specialty shoe store if you want good shoes. If you are buying your day-to-day shows by browsing the shoes on display, you're doing it wrong. Let a specialist watch you walk, and such, and size you, and let them put the shoes on you and walk around until you're in love with the shoe. THEN look at it, it will not be a shoe that you would have bought if you were just shopping for good-looking uppers, instead of quality, comfortable footwear.
 
I'll second that, quality shoes are hard to find, even for men. Even new balance has taken a hit. My wife and I now buy Merrills, which are plain work shoes. Back when I jogged, I would go through a pair of new balance every 6 months, which is rediculous, IMO. Finding good running shoes is impossible, even if you've got 200 bucks to drop on them. In high school, I had a pair of Nike cross trainers that lasted almost 4 years. And that was with running a minimum of 1 miler per day, between soccer and wrestling.

Yeah, that's true too. I still think there's a quality gap across the gender divide, but shoe quality is falling across the board. I too remember the days of passable, reasonably priced tennis shoes, and now they're just complete crap. It's almost like they're making them for sneakerheads' display cases rather than for actual movement.
 
Once you figure that one out, work on the thousand dollar handbag scam, or the one karat diamond, or the fifty dollar lipstick. Or hundred dollar underwear.

Once you figure those out, write a book. You'll get rich.

I have a feeling if all us men read it - we still would not have a clue.
 
Most women get conned into it because there are almost no alternatives, and of the few there are, a lot of people just can't afford them.

They just don't make quality women's shoes. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, all you're paying for is fashion or the brand. The quality of the shoe is still going to suck. Shoes for women are very much built on the "planned obsolescence" principle.

I personally am a quality and comfort-based shopper. I don't do heels and that kind of thing. I'm certainly not alone in that amongst women, but I can see why a lot of women give up and just buy what looks good.

It took me years to figure this out, because I knew that when men spend more on shoes, they get more quality. I tried to do this when I started being financially better off, because good shoes are worth investing in. But no matter how much I spent, I kept winding up with uncomfortable crap that broke down in a season for two.

That is by design. Often, shoe companies that do men and woman's lines will still make crappy shoes for women, but good ones for men. For an example, look at Fry's. It's almost insulting how blatantly inferior their women's line is in terms of quality of construction. And yet they cost just as much money as the men's shoes, if not more.

At the end of the day, in order to get quality shoes that will last me years, I had about a handful of choices of companies, all of which were very expensive. I was fine with it being expensive, as long as the quality came with it and was the same as the comparative men's shoe.

I wound up getting Wesco boots discounted from factory seconds (they actually didn't have flaws; they were just never picked up by the customer who I guess had more money than sense, and as a result they were still knocked down to about half price). They are the ****ing best. Expensive as hell, but I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be buried in those boots. I've had them for 2 years now and I still get asked if they're new, and "how they're breaking in." They don't even need a resole yet, and I've done lots and lots of miles in these things.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the ONLY aesthetic that quality women's shoes come in: leather ****-kickers. Fortunately I'm totally in to that. You have stuff like Docs and Grinders in the midrange, and then up to stuff like Wesco for the higher end. But if that's not your aesthetic, which it isn't for most women... sorry, you're basically SOL. That's all there is.

Basically, if you want even passable quality women's shoes, there's no way you'll spend less than $150, and you only have one choice of look.

So, women buy into the con because there aren't very many other options.

Just one of the millions of ways a sex-divided market rips women off. Women in the know also buy men's razors: they're sharper and less expensive simultaneously.

I want to thank you for taking the time to write a pretty detailed response to my question. I learned a bit. And thats a good day. :peace
 
I'll second that, quality shoes are hard to find, even for men. Even new balance has taken a hit. My wife and I now buy Merrills, which are plain work shoes. Back when I jogged, I would go through a pair of new balance every 6 months, which is rediculous, IMO. Finding good running shoes is impossible, even if you've got 200 bucks to drop on them. In high school, I had a pair of Nike cross trainers that lasted almost 4 years. And that was with running a minimum of 1 miler per day, between soccer and wrestling.

My running shoes normally lasted about four months and that was based on 2000 miles per year. And that was for good ones that cost at least $100 if not more.
 
or better yet: Go peruse the sporting goods while your significant other shops in peace.

I heard about a man who actually went out and bought the exact same dress his wife had just bought, only in a size smaller, then switched them in her closet.

Don't know if he's still married. If he is, he's a wiser man today.

That is an awesome prank idea. If only I had the guts to try it. :)
 
I have trouble finding shoes simply because of the size of my feet. I recently spent $370 on a arcing pair of work boots while my older pair was being resoled. It's worth it though the old pair are 15 years old, I wear them in the workshop and they are showing no signs of giving up. Red wings are the only work boots worth owning as far as I'm concerned.
 
You are a greenhorn ain't ya.... ;)

Why does the system have to match what you think it should be? You want to wear women's clothing? What women, who work retail, tell me is the system you mock helps women because they are more than just waist and inseam. Unlike men, most women have waists AND 'hips' (butts). While 75% of men of the same waist and inseam can wear the same pants the same can't be said of women. The names like Misses, junior, petite are meaningless to knuckle dragging smucks but do clue more savvy women to what racks hold clothes that flatter their figures.

I'd suggest you do what successful married men do, tag along and offer only vague opinion- 'it is colorful', 'blue is my favorite color', 'I'm not good at fashion but they sure show off your butt!'...

Leave the deeper thought to your partner... :peace

Lol. I'm not green. Just perplexed by the sizes and all that. I picked out her dress that she wore. Only because I know what she wears, and what style she likes. It was mainly a guess though. Lol.


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I have trouble finding shoes simply because of the size of my feet. I recently spent $370 on a arcing pair of work boots while my older pair was being resoled. It's worth it though the old pair are 15 years old, I wear them in the workshop and they are showing no signs of giving up. Red wings are the only work boots worth owning as far as I'm concerned.

I do the same with boots. :)


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The one thing I can never ever ever understand about women and what they wear is the shoes. They wear shoes that are beyond flimsy, are uncomfortable, restrict their movements and can cost a small fortune.

Can any women explain how in the world you all got conned into this scam?

Nope. I toyed with that scam for about a year, in my teens. Haven't revisited since. I will ONLY wear super comfortable, enclosed flat shoes or Doc Martens type boots now. No heels, no strappy sandals ... ever. The only argument I can see for the trashy female shoe is that they're often less expensive than practical shoes.

Personally, I regard trashy footwear as man-pleasing. If he's so sexually uncertain that he needs cartoonishly overt signals (high heels, makeup, etc), he's not worth pleasing.
 
Once you figure that one out, work on the thousand dollar handbag scam, or the one karat diamond, or the fifty dollar lipstick. Or hundred dollar underwear.

Once you figure those out, write a book. You'll get rich.

I don't understand any of those. At least not outside profoundly low self-esteem.
 
Most women get conned into it because there are almost no alternatives, and of the few there are, a lot of people just can't afford them.

They just don't make quality women's shoes. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, all you're paying for is fashion or the brand. The quality of the shoe is still going to suck. Shoes for women are very much built on the "planned obsolescence" principle.

I personally am a quality and comfort-based shopper. I don't do heels and that kind of thing. I'm certainly not alone in that amongst women, but I can see why a lot of women give up and just buy what looks good.

It took me years to figure this out, because I knew that when men spend more on shoes, they get more quality. I tried to do this when I started being financially better off, because good shoes are worth investing in. But no matter how much I spent, I kept winding up with uncomfortable crap that broke down in a season for two.

That is by design. Often, shoe companies that do men and woman's lines will still make crappy shoes for women, but good ones for men. For an example, look at Fry's. It's almost insulting how blatantly inferior their women's line is in terms of quality of construction. And yet they cost just as much money as the men's shoes, if not more.

At the end of the day, in order to get quality shoes that will last me years, I had about a handful of choices of companies, all of which were very expensive. I was fine with it being expensive, as long as the quality came with it and was the same as the comparative men's shoe.

I wound up getting Wesco boots discounted from factory seconds (they actually didn't have flaws; they were just never picked up by the customer who I guess had more money than sense, and as a result they were still knocked down to about half price). They are the ****ing best. Expensive as hell, but I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be buried in those boots. I've had them for 2 years now and I still get asked if they're new, and "how they're breaking in." They don't even need a resole yet, and I've done lots and lots of miles in these things.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the ONLY aesthetic that quality women's shoes come in: leather ****-kickers. Fortunately I'm totally in to that. You have stuff like Docs and Grinders in the midrange, and then up to stuff like Wesco for the higher end. But if that's not your aesthetic, which it isn't for most women... sorry, you're basically SOL. That's all there is.

Basically, if you want even passable quality women's shoes, there's no way you'll spend less than $150, and you only have one choice of look.

So, women buy into the con because there aren't very many other options.

Just one of the millions of ways a sex-divided market rips women off. Women in the know also buy men's razors: they're sharper and less expensive simultaneously.

Exactly. I think some are driven by cost.

My shoes all cost a bomb, but they last for 20+ years. A pair of 10 year old Docs can sell online for half the new price ... which is a good example of just how robust these beasts are. And really good looking flat leather shoes (with chunky support type soles), made in Italy, will set you back a fortune.
 
Nope. I toyed with that scam for about a year, in my teens. Haven't revisited since. I will ONLY wear super comfortable, enclosed flat shoes or Doc Martens type boots now. No heels, no strappy sandals ... ever. The only argument I can see for the trashy female shoe is that they're often less expensive than practical shoes.

Personally, I regard trashy footwear as man-pleasing. If he's so sexually uncertain that he needs cartoonishly overt signals (high heels, makeup, etc), he's not worth pleasing.

Thanks for the input.

The real men should worry about pleasing you. ;)
 
Thanks for the input.

The real men should worry about pleasing you. ;)

Not even. I'm super low maintenance ... as long as the man in question meets my criteria for male ;)
 
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