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Is manscaping sexy?

Henrin said:
Would you rather have a guy that is in shape because he wants to be in shape or a guy that is in shape to get laid?
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I don't care if he's in shape or not. I actually prefer men who are a bit on the chunky side.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I don't care if he's in shape or not. I actually prefer men who are a bit on the chunky side.
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Ok. You get what I'm saying though, right? If a man presents himself as one thing just to get you to like him what is the chances he will keep it up? Don't you want him to present the real him instead of the image he wants you to see? I keep myself in shape for me, and so when women see me as a guy that takes care of his body they are not just seeing something that I'm showing them to get them interested, but are seeing the real me. Is that not the best approach? I think it is.
 
My GF loves my hairy chest, but it can be a bit much for me, so I trim it.

And no one, I mean no one loves a hairy back, so it gets taken care of.

Why do people obsess over what someone else does to their body? That isn't healthy.
 
Henrin said:
Ok. You get what I'm saying though, right? If a man presents himself as one thing just to get you to like him what is the chances he will keep it up? Don't you want him to present the real him instead of the image he wants you to see? I keep myself in shape for me, and so when women see me as a guy that takes care of his body they are not just seeing something that I'm showing them to get them interested, but are seeing the real me. Is that not the best approach? I think it is.
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I don't expect anyone to change for me. If I don't like them the way they are and it's a deal breaker (ie. beard), I just won't date them. If they change while dating, and I can't abide the change, I'll break it off.

I think some things are perfectly okay to do for your partner. For example, would you be with a woman who doesn't shave her legs or pits? Not too many guys in North America would.
 
beefheart said:
My GF loves my hairy chest, but it can be a bit much for me, so I trim it.

And no one, I mean no one loves a hairy back, so it gets taken care of.

Why do people obsess over what someone else does to their body? That isn't healthy.
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I never understood that myself
 
Scrabaholic said:
I don't expect anyone to change for me. If I don't like them the way they are and it's a deal breaker (ie. beard), I just won't date them. If they change while dating, and I can't abide the change, I'll break it off.
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Fair enough. A blog post a few days ago reminded me of this behavior actually. The man in the example started to lose weight, change his hair, etc just to appear more appealing to the person he was interest in and it occurred to me that the behavior is actually really common. Here he was married and doing none of that stuff, but since there was someone new all of sudden he cared again and it just seems so fake and fraudulent to be doing such things.

I think some things are perfectly okay to do for your partner. For example, would you be with a woman who doesn't shave her legs or pits? Not too many guys in North America would.
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I think people that claim to be attracted to a sex and then can't stand hair that grows naturally from puberty on that sex are puzzling. It just seems really weird to me to be grossed out by hair that has a 99% chance to grow on that sex.
 
Henrin said:
Fair enough. A blog post a few days ago reminded me of this behavior actually. The man in the example started to lose weight, change his hair, etc just to appear more appealing to the person he was interest in and it occurred to me that the behavior is actually really common. Here he was married and doing none of that stuff, but since there was someone new all of sudden he cared again and it just seems so fake and fraudulent to be doing such things.

I think people that claim to be attracted to a sex and then can't stand hair that grows naturally from puberty on that sex are puzzling. It just seems really weird to me to be grossed out by hair that has a 99% chance to grow on that sex.
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Preferences are preferences, and are not required to make sense to anyone other than the person whose preference it is. It doesn't matter whether it is what they do to their own body, such as shaving or not shaving, or what they prefer in another's body, such as thin or thick bodies. All your opinions mean naught except to you and your choices for your body and those you interact with.
 
maquiscat said:
Preferences are preferences, and are not required to make sense to anyone other than the person whose preference it is. It doesn't matter whether it is what they do to their own body, such as shaving or not shaving, or what they prefer in another's body, such as thin or thick bodies. All your opinions mean naught except to you and your choices for your body and those you interact with.
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Thanks captain obvious. There is a thing as logical behavior and it's simply not logical to be grossed out by natural hair growth on the sex you claim to be attracted to. You can claim all day it does make sense, but the fact is it doesn't.
 
Henrin said:
Thanks captain obvious. There is a thing as logical behavior and it's simply not logical to be grossed out by natural hair growth on the sex you claim to be attracted to. You can claim all day it does make sense, but the fact is it doesn't.
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If it is logical then you can make a logical line of arguments as to why it is not. The best that anyone can do is make a logical progression from a preference. For example, if a person has a preference for BBW, then it I should logical for him to be seen dating or married to a heavier set woman. Preference on natural hair is a preference, and is thus a subjective value. You can claim all day about the supposed logic of it, but it simply doesn't exist.
 
maquiscat said:
If it is logical then you can make a logical line of arguments as to why it is not. The best that anyone can do is make a logical progression from a preference. For example, if a person has a preference for BBW, then it I should logical for him to be seen dating or married to a heavier set woman. Preference on natural hair is a preference, and is thus a subjective value. You can claim all day about the supposed logic of it, but it simply doesn't exist.
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A better argument would be that wanting hair to be shaved or trimmed off the body is actually a result of social and cultural influences and has nothing really to do with much else.
 
Henrin said:
A better argument would be that wanting hair to be shaved or trimmed off the body is actually a result of social and cultural influences and has nothing really to do with much else.
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You are over analyzing. It gets to 118 degrees where I live, having a ton of body hair is not comfortable.

Why can't you just live and let live? You are obsessing and bordering on fetish with this topic. Its just hair.
 
beefheart said:
You are over analyzing. It gets to 118 degrees where I live, having a ton of body hair is not comfortable.

Why can't you just live and let live? You are obsessing and bordering on fetish with this topic. Its just hair.
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How is it not comfortable? It's just hair that your body is supposed to have. I imagine the problem has more to do with your thoughts on the hair than it does the hair itself.
 
Henrin said:
How is it not comfortable? It's just hair that your body is supposed to have. I imagine the problem has more to do with your thoughts on the hair than it does the hair itself.
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Do you have a hairy chest/back? Have you spent a summer in Phoenix?

Its noticeably different with trimmed hair on chest, no hair on back. I frequently get a good short buzzcut in the summer too, feels much cooler.

Its my hair, I can do what I want.
 
Henrin said:
Fair enough. A blog post a few days ago reminded me of this behavior actually. The man in the example started to lose weight, change his hair, etc just to appear more appealing to the person he was interest in and it occurred to me that the behavior is actually really common. Here he was married and doing none of that stuff, but since there was someone new all of sudden he cared again and it just seems so fake and fraudulent to be doing such things.
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I once worked with a woman who would lose weight when she was single and then gain it again when she was with someone. I'm not so sure that is uncommon behaviour.



I think people that claim to be attracted to a sex and then can't stand hair that grows naturally from puberty on that sex are puzzling. It just seems really weird to me to be grossed out by hair that has a 99% chance to grow on that sex.
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We have been conditioned by society to expect certain things, such as women shaving legs and armpits and now, it's expected to shave pubic hair. On men, it's the face (though not as expected nowadays) and it's becoming expected in other areas, too ie. chest, back. The only hair that bothers me on a man is facial, though I admit some men look good in a well trimmed beard. I once dated a man who grew a mustache while we were dating, he knew I liked clean shaven (it was some sort of bet that caused him to grow the 'stache). I never once asked him to shave it, as it was his body, not mine.
 
beefheart said:
You are over analyzing. It gets to 118 degrees where I live, having a ton of body hair is not comfortable.
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While I love a hairy chest on a man, I can definitely see why he'd shave it in that climate!
 
beefheart said:
Do you have a hairy chest/back? Have you spent a summer in Phoenix?

Its noticeably different with trimmed hair on chest, no hair on back. I frequently get a good short buzzcut in the summer too, feels much cooler.

Its my hair, I can do what I want.
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So it's a heat issue? That still seems kind of unbelievable, sorry.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I once worked with a woman who would lose weight when she was single and then gain it again when she was with someone. I'm not so sure that is uncommon behaviour.
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That's what I'm talking about. If you don't want to exercise and you want to eat a certain unhealthy foods then just live that way. If on the other hand you want to eat healthy and look good then live that way. Present yourself as you are and you will be going forward. It's expected for people to change in their habits to be honest and that is ok, but to change simply to attract people is my opinion behavior that shouldn't be seen as acceptable. In my opinion it's essentially lying to people.


We have been conditioned by society to expect certain things, such as women shaving legs and armpits and now, it's expected to shave pubic hair. On men, it's the face (though not as expected nowadays) and it's becoming expected in other areas, too ie. chest, back. The only hair that bothers me on a man is facial, though I admit some men look good in a well trimmed beard. I once dated a man who grew a mustache while we were dating, he knew I liked clean shaven (it was some sort of bet that caused him to grow the 'stache). I never once asked him to shave it, as it was his body, not mine.
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I'm aware of that and to a large degree that is my grievance. Still, did you actually know that body hair serves a purpose? For example, pubic hair actually serves a purpose during intercourse, but of course everyone is so caught up in how it looks and how they don't like hair in their mouth that they pay no mind to the fact that it serves a valid purpose. There is really no valid reason to expect people to shave their body hair as a society. Now saying that, facial hair can go on forever and become a problem, so maintenance is obviously required there. Otherwise, it's really not required and I see no reason for it.
 
Henrin said:
So it's a heat issue? That still seems kind of unbelievable, sorry.
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You aren't in my body. Having hair on the back is like wearing an extra shirt.

You really obsess over other people's hygiene habits.
 
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Henrin said:
A better argument would be that wanting hair to be shaved or trimmed off the body is actually a result of social and cultural influences and has nothing really to do with much else.
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Which is still preference issues, and have no basis in logic or facts, as you seem to have been trying to claim.
 
Henrin said:
That's what I'm talking about. If you don't want to exercise and you want to eat a certain unhealthy foods then just live that way. If on the other hand you want to eat healthy and look good then live that way. Present yourself as you are and you will be going forward. It's expected for people to change in their habits to be honest and that is ok, but to change simply to attract people is my opinion behavior that shouldn't be seen as acceptable. In my opinion it's essentially lying to people..
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I really don't do that much, but for me it started out as doing something that I wanted to do because I was doing body building and it helped me gauge my progress (not shaving because I can't deal with the itch & stubble, but trim, yeah). Positive feedback from girlfriends and other women reinforced the behavior.
 
beefheart said:
You aren't in my body. Having hair on the back is like wearing an extra shirt.

You really obsess over other people's hygiene habits.
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You must have a **** ton of hair for it be another shirt. lol.
 
maquiscat said:
Which is still preference issues, and have no basis in logic or facts, as you seem to have been trying to claim.
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My point there was that the behavior is more learned than anything else. The attraction to people with no body hair or trimmed body hair is not something the individual develops themselves, but something they pick up from their surroundings.
 
Porkuloss said:
I really don't do that much, but for me it started out as doing something that I wanted to do because I was doing body building and it helped me gauge my progress (not shaving because I can't deal with the itch & stubble, but trim, yeah). Positive feedback from girlfriends and other women reinforced the behavior.
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I never do much of anything because of what women think one way or another. :shrug:
 
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