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Men do get sicker than women do. So there.

Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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Hey! I resemble that remark. ;)
 
Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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The mice don't take it seriously? May be. But if mice and men are the same in this it seems to me a biology thing ie a real medical difference between the sexes.
 
Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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Am the only one that pretty much never treats it? :3oops:
 
joG said:
The mice don't take it seriously? May be. But if mice and men are the same in this it seems to me a biology thing ie a real medical difference between the sexes.
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I don't believe mice and men are the same, thought I admit it's possible that male and female hormones could play a part in the intensity and longevity of an illness. I also think, anecdotally, that men don't start treating illness until it's more fully developed. The same is true with pain. Grr!

Henrin said:
Am the only one that pretty much never treats it? :3oops:
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Maybe? LOL But somehow I doubt it. ;)
 
I believe it.
It's sure better than just being bigger babies about it.
 
I have the plague right now, and you're damn right I'm not treating it. Treatment is for pusillanimous men, and we all know the slang for pusillanimous. It's the now famous descriptive of certain hats in the news of late. I'll gut it out.... Oh geeze - a paper cut. I think I'm gonna need a transfusion.
 
Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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At least until we get older. Then we start taking things more seriously such as flu vaccinations, phnemonia shots, doctor visits, etc.
 
Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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Nope. Males are more likely to get sicker or to die of just about any illness they have at all stages of life, from gestation all the way to old age. Even when all lifestyle factors and personal actions are controlled for, men still have shorter life expectancies than women.

The reason for this is that high estrogen/exposure to estrogen (such as during sex differentiation in the womb) encourages faster and more persistent cell repair, where testosterone actually represses it. Therefore, men's cellular recovery is slower and less complete compared to women's. This also explains why the only category of physical illness where women are sicker is autoimmune disorders. Women's immune systems are more active, therefore they are more likely to become OVER-active. But in pretty much all other illness categories, men are sicker.

It is true that men's resistance in our society against seeking healthcare does worsen their outcomes even more than necessary. Men's health has room for improvement, and hopefully it will improve as our society slowly lets go of silent machismo and training boys that asking for help is "weak."

But even without these factors (or during times when these factors couldn't possibly come into play, such as gestation and early childhood), the gap still remains.
 
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Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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Getting actually sick with the flu is one of the few times we get a legitimate break from a woman's pestering...

...and here is a woman pestering us about its validity!!!

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:lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Getting actually sick with the flu is one of the few times we get a legitimate break from a woman's pestering...

...and here is a woman pestering us about its validity!!!

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:2wave:

:lol:
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope. Males are more likely to get sicker or to die of just about any illness they have at all stages of life, from gestation all the way to old age. Even when all lifestyle factors and personal actions are controlled for, men still have shorter life expectancies than women.

The reason for this is that high estrogen/exposure to estrogen (such as during sex differentiation in the womb) encourages faster and more persistent cell repair, where testosterone actually represses it. Therefore, men's cellular recovery is slower and less complete compared to women's. This also explains why the only category of physical illness where women are sicker is autoimmune disorders. Women's immune systems are more active, therefore they are more likely to become OVER-active. But in pretty much all other illness categories, men are sicker.

It is true that men's resistance in our society against seeking healthcare does worsen their outcomes even more than necessary. Men's health has room for improvement, and hopefully it will improve as our society slowly lets go of silent machismo and training boys that asking for help is "weak."

But even without these factors (or during times when these factors couldn't possibly come into play, such as gestation and early childhood), the gap still remains.
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Men are in better shape on average though. :2razz:

Also, the reason I don't go to the doctor has nothing to do with some machismo mindset, but with just not liking the doctor and thus avoiding it. In fact, that is pretty much the reason most men avoid the doctor. Getting men to do something they don't want to do is really the challenge. Not like women should be messing with male culture or trying to force men to do anything in the first place. Btw, how would you like it if men were out to trying to change women's mindset on something? Just wondering. Maybe women should stop trying to control men. Did you ever think that perhaps you need to back the **** off?
 
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Henrin said:
Men are in better shape on average though. :2razz:

Also, the reason I don't go to the doctor has nothing to do with some machismo mindset, but with just not liking the doctor and thus avoiding it. In fact, that is pretty much the reason most men avoid the doctor. Getting men to do something they don't want to do is really the challenge. Not like women should be messing with male culture or trying to force men to do anything in the first place. Btw, how would you like it if men were out to trying to change women's mindset on something? Just wondering. Maybe women should stop trying to control men. Did you ever think that perhaps you need to back the **** off?
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You are a meddler and you are desiring to mess with how men behave. Why don't you just admit it? I also noticed you avoided by question about men doing the same with women.

You know, if women weren't always meddling in things and trying to get men to do things my problems with them would be a great deal less.

You should also seriously consider asking men why they don't go to the doctor instead of assuming things like you did. You might just find it helps with your meddling efforts.

If you to save your feminist movement from dying(and it is dying according to support numbers) you can start by leaving men alone.
 
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Gina said:
It couldn't be that when sickness is coming on, they don't take it seriously until they are really sick and therefore suffer more greatly because they got more sick before they started treating it? That's not possibility in mice, but honestly. Men are the worst patients.
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Nonsense. Just because we laugh at all those wimps in the emergency room, doesn't mean we have to run to the doctor for every little flesh wound.

 
Eh, my experience with men is that they bitch about being sick/injured, but put off seeing a doctor because the doctors "don't really care about anything except getting money from Medicare."

Then again, I'm married to a complete hypochondriac who diagnoses himself via the internet, then brings print-screen foolishness to medical appointments and demands the doctor follows what some asshole on the internet says needs to be done.

Men, women, they are different but the same. Some males/females are completely obsessed with their own health and perceive fatal illness lurking every time they get a low-grade fever or a spike in blood pressure. Others will drop a severed finger in their pocket and drive themselves to the ER.

Courage in the face of constant pain is not a gender issue, in my opinion. It is a character issue, and I have known and respected both men and women who have shirked the victim mentality to tough it out through sheer grit and determination in order to personally deal with the raw hand that life has physically dealt to them. I really do hate these "men vs. women" threads, when they should be labeled "blamers vs. accept reality and rise to the occasion" threads.

The petulant and self-indulgent come in both genders. It is useless to "choose sides" and fight a meaningless war. When faced with dire sickness, even certain death, men and women are both human; they share human weaknesses of fear and blame-mongering, and pragmatic human courage of accepting what is necessary combined with hope and faith.

It is who we are.
 
DiAnna said:
Eh, my experience with men is that they bitch about being sick/injured, but put off seeing a doctor because the doctors "don't really care about anything except getting money from Medicare."

Then again, I'm married to a complete hypochondriac who diagnoses himself via the internet, then brings print-screen foolishness to medical appointments and demands the doctor follows what some asshole on the internet says needs to be done.

Men, women, they are different but the same. Some males/females are completely obsessed with their own health and perceive fatal illness lurking every time they get a low-grade fever or a spike in blood pressure. Others will drop a severed finger in their pocket and drive themselves to the ER.

Courage in the face of constant pain is not a gender issue, in my opinion. It is a character issue, and I have known and respected both men and women who have shirked the victim mentality to tough it out through sheer grit and determination in order to personally deal with the raw hand that life has physically dealt to them. I really do hate these "men vs. women" threads, when they should be labeled "blamers vs. accept reality and rise to the occasion" threads.

The petulant and self-indulgent come in both genders. It is useless to "choose sides" and fight a meaningless war. When faced with dire sickness, even certain death, men and women are both human; they share human weaknesses of fear and blame-mongering, and pragmatic human courage of accepting what is necessary combined with hope and faith.

It is who we are.
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But men are less interested in men vs. Women threads :lol:

I agree completely. I've seen both extremes within myself.
 
Henrin said:
You are a meddler and you are desiring to mess with how men behave. Why don't you just admit it? I also noticed you avoided by question about men doing the same with women.

You know, if women weren't always meddling in things and trying to get men to do things my problems with them would be a great deal less.

You should also seriously consider asking men why they don't go to the doctor instead of assuming things like you did. You might just find it helps with your meddling efforts.

If you to save your feminist movement from dying(and it is dying according to support numbers) you can start by leaving men alone.
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She is anti-male... next she will accuse you of supporting rape culture if you don't admit it is real.
 
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