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Minister: American Girl doll 'a trick of the enemy' to emasculate boys

To be fair, in the other thread you were bragging about your extensive research into the connection between the proportions of the male anatomy and penis size. Sounds kind of like an obsession to me.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lol. You can find that stuff out by one google search, but nice try.
 
Maybe he is just opposed to men acting like women and women acting like men. Maybe he just cares about maintaining what he finds important.
Maybe he has a tiny penis and he's embarrassed by it?

It must be because he has something going on in his head that all goes back to his penis. Geez.
A true man (or woman for that matter), a confident person, could not care less about how others define themselves. The fact there is so much of a need to show everyone what a true man supposedly looks like and does suggests a lack of confidence in oneself, a need for everyone to be like him, so he can belong. To a confident person, it's ridiculous, but to someone with that need, it's a defense mechanism.

If my (theoretical) son decides to play with a Ken doll instead of a John Cena figure, who really cares...you know, besides those who want to force an arbitrary definition of manhood on everyone? It has no effect on anything and my child is four. Who cares?

But to those with a tiny penis, they feel like less of a man. It's silly, but it's well known. So in order to convince everyone they aren't less of a man, they shout about their arbitrary definition of manhood, seeking to redefine masculinity into something they can control, as opposed to penis size which they cannot control.

All of this brings me back to my original point, which is that it is my belief those who shout the loudest about how they define what it is to be a man tend to have the tiniest penises. If one already feels confident in their manhood, there's really no need to try and convince others to think about masculinity the way they do.
Fear not.

I never had barbie dolls growing up. I played with Luke, Chewie, Vader, Han, Yoda, Boba, Leia and Co.

It didn't make me more masculine and I didn't turn to the dark side. Don't listen to the crazy Minister. It's a trap.
Exactly. Who cares what a child plays with when they are a child. Those who insist so much on gender roles are usually the ones who have the least confidence in themselves.
 
Fear not.

I never had barbie dolls growing up. I played with Luke, Chewie, Vader, Han, Yoda, Boba, Leia and Co.

It didn't make me more masculine and I didn't turn to the dark side. Don't listen to the crazy Minister. It's a trap.

You mean other than you look up to female warriors in movies like the new Star War movies? Sorry, but how didn't it affect you?
 
I'm convinced that men that think about other men's penis sizes have self confidence issues focuses around their own penis size.

That's as reasonable of a supposition as any of the 100's of other similar claims that essentially come down to failing to agree with me just means you have a small dick.
 
Maybe he has a tiny penis and he's embarrassed by it?

A true man (or woman for that matter), a confident person, could not care less about how others define themselves. The fact there is so much of a need to show everyone what a true man supposedly looks like and does suggests a lack of confidence in oneself, a need for everyone to be like him, so he can belong. To a confident person, it's ridiculous, but to someone with that need, it's a defense mechanism.

If my (theoretical) son decides to play with a Ken doll instead of a John Cena figure, who really cares...you know, besides those who want to force an arbitrary definition of manhood on everyone? It has no effect on anything and my child is four. Who cares?

But to those with a tiny penis, they feel like less of a man. It's silly, but it's well known. So in order to convince everyone they aren't less of a man, they shout about their arbitrary definition of manhood, seeking to redefine masculinity into something they can control, as opposed to penis size which they cannot control.

All of this brings me back to my original point, which is that it is my belief those who shout the loudest about how they define what it is to be a man tend to have the tiniest penises. If one already feels confident in their manhood, there's really no need to try and convince others to think about masculinity the way they do.

So all those feminists that actually started the war to get women into more masculine things like fighting is what? It seems pretty obvious that fighting for changes like this is focusing on it pretty strongly.
 
He must've gone cra-cra when G.I. Joe came out...

That and Ken.

Seriously, is a doll going to be the downfall of Western civilization?
 
You guys are helping feminists push their stupid goals. It's not about it being a doll, but about what the dolls are focused around.

just went right over your head didn't it. yep it did.
 
Exactly. Who cares what a child plays with when they are a child. Those who insist so much on gender roles are usually the ones who have the least confidence in themselves.

Maybe we just like the idea and thus want to fight for it? Nah..
 
So all those feminists that actually started the war to get women into more masculine things like fighting is what?
Women who fought traditional gender roles did so because they felt oppressed by traditional gender roles. They didn't want to be forced into something they didn't enjoy, just because of traditional gender roles dictated it.

They fought for equal opportunity to be themselves. The minister in this story is fighting to control how people behave. Feminists fought to have control over their own behavior.

Big difference.
Maybe we just like the idea and thus want to fight for it? Nah..
You want to fight to tell other parents how their children have to behave and what toys they can play with?
 
Women who fought traditional gender roles did so because they felt oppressed by traditional gender roles. They didn't want to be forced into something they didn't enjoy, just because of traditional gender roles dictated it.

They fought for equal opportunity to be themselves. The minister in this story is fighting to control how people behave. Feminists fought to have control over their own behavior.

Big difference.

He is fighting to control influences on children, which has a direct influence on their behavior patterns and interests. Kind of simple to understand once you bother thinking about it. To the most part feminist tore down gender roles simply because they didn't like them. Sure, there was some feeling of oppression for some, but most of the fight just had to do with a general dislike of it.
 
You want to fight to tell other parents how their children have to behave and what toys they can play with?

I like the idea of gender roles. :shrug:
 
And Trump wants to allow these idiots to openly preach politics and endorse specific candidates from the pulpit?!
What could go wrong?

This doll has something to do with President Trump?

It took 22 posts, but inevitably someone was going to make this a never Trump issue.
 
Yeah sure, the boy doll seems all innocent and then....

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He is fighting to control influences on children
On other people's children, not his own. Which brings us back to his need to make sure people define masculinity in a way he can control...since he can't control the size of what is between his legs.

Kind of simple to understand once you bother thinking about it.
I never argued it wasn't simple. I'm saying it's stupid and a sign of problems with one's own confidence.

Try and keep up.

To the most part feminist tore down gender roles simply because they didn't like them. Sure, there was some feeling of oppression for some, but most of the fight just had to do with a general dislike of it.
And why didn't they like them? Why was there a general dislike?
I like the idea of gender roles.
Correction: You like the idea of controlling what everyone else does. How very authoritarian of you.
 
You mean other than you look up to female warriors in movies like the new Star War movies? Sorry, but how didn't it affect you?

Rey could be a "Ray" and I wouldn't mind a bit.

I'd forgotten about your butt hurt relating to Rey's character. Probably should go without saying that your tears are just as delicious now as they were 14 months ago. Perhaps more :lol:
 
Rey could be a "Ray" and I wouldn't mind a bit.

I'd forgotten about your butt hurt relating to Rey's character. Probably should go without saying that your tears are just as delicious now as they were 14 months ago. Perhaps more :lol:

Nah, you like the fact that it's a female character that goes around beating up men. Admit it.
 
On other people's children, not his own. Which brings us back to his need to make sure people define masculinity in a way he can control...since he can't control the size of what is between his legs.

Dude, there is no connection between caring about how things like how masculinity is defined and self doubt about penis size. lol You're just grabbing this stuff straight out of your ass.

I never argued it wasn't simple. I'm saying it's stupid and a sign of problems with one's own confidence.

Except it's not a sign of confidence at all. It's a sign that he cares about how these things are seen in society and that's it.

And why didn't they like them? Why was there a general dislike?

They were against things being defined at all. Most of those women weren't even masculine women.

Correction: You like the idea of controlling what everyone else does. How very authoritarian of you.

Social influence and guidance is not control.
 
Ok, last post on this. There's not a thing wrong with manufacturing that doll but I still think it will appeal far more to girls than to boys. I can honestly say that my friend's son would have zero interest in that doll except to maybe shoot it with his nerf guns. Seriously, gotta watch the kid when he's has one of those in his hand. Fortunately, he's not strong enough, yet, to pull the little handle that makes it ready to shoot so, at least you're on notice that he's fully armed.

What were we talking about?
 
Dude, there is no connection between caring about how things like how masculinity is defined and self doubt about penis size.
:lol:

I have no doubt you honestly want to believe that.

Except it's not a sign of confidence at all.
Of course it is.
It's a sign that he cares about how these things are seen in society and that's it.
:lol:

I have no doubt you honestly want to believe that.

They were against things being defined at all.
So your argument is they just arbitrarily disliked gender roles and were mini-anarchists. :roll:

I'm sorry, if you want me to take you seriously, you're going to have to stop posting things which are so mind-numbingly nonsensical. I understand your kneejerk reaction to defend the penis size of the minister, but this comment takes the ridiculousness to another level.

Women wanted to cast off traditional gender roles because so many of them did not want to be forced into a culture which they didn't enjoy. Many women love to go to work. Many women don't want to be baby factories. Many women want to have the freedom to be what they want. Your position they were merely mini-anarchists who arbitrarily decided they didn't like something is not something I would expect from an intelligent conversation. It complete lacks knowledge of history, it ignores the written and verbal words of women and it shows a complete ignorance to women in general.

You're wrong. It isn't a matter of opinion, you're wrong. I know you're a big fan of male dominance and female submissiveness, but you're wrong on this.

And, on a side note, a confident male isn't intimidated by the idea of a strong female.

Social influence and guidance is not control.
You're not advocating for influence or guidance, you're arguing for control over other parents' children. That's authoritarian.
 
Rey could be a "Ray" and I wouldn't mind a bit.

I'd forgotten about your butt hurt relating to Rey's character. Probably should go without saying that your tears are just as delicious now as they were 14 months ago. Perhaps more :lol:

I bet he doesn't like Jyn either.
 
I do consider women and men as equals, if that's a feminist to you so be it.

We can set attributes to a gender all we want but that doesn't mean everyone has to conform to what certain people decided a female's role is.

Agreed. I'll conform to whatever I ****ing feel like, thank you very much.
 
Agreed. I'll conform to whatever I ****ing feel like, thank you very much.
Exactly. A confident man isn't intimidated by that.

Also, I wanted to say that Rey was badass. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
Exactly. A confident man isn't intimidated by that.

Also, I wanted to say that Rey was badass. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

She was, and unfortunately for some, that ruined the entire movie for them. But Rey is not my favorite heroine in the Star Wars franchise (Ahsoka Tano from the Clone Wars is my personal favorite), nor did I find her as compelling as Jyn was in Rogue One. But maybe that's just because her story isn't complete yet.
 
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