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Who Owns Feminism?

RAMOSS said:
I gave you a source that says otherwise.
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No, you really didn't. You gave me a source that said the #1 cause of maternal death was cardiac problems (something PP doesn't help you with) and drug overdoses (something PP doesn't help with). PPs own stats say their prenatal services are a very tiny percentage.
 
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RAMOSS said:
THat is, of course, a highly conservative spin, and does not tell the full facts.
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...says the person blaming the closures of PPs on the increased mortality rate even though PP couldn't have saved them anyway.
 
Josie said:
...says the person blaming the closures of PPs on the increased mortality rate even though PP couldn't have saved them anyway.
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THere is a corrolation.. and you have not shown that in this case, correlation isn't causation. The numbers from your source got more than a little bit spun.
 
RAMOSS said:
THere is a corrolation.. and you have not shown that in this case, correlation isn't causation. The numbers from your source got more than a little bit spun.
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What source did I provide that you're speaking of?

There is no correlation. The #1 and #2 reasons for pregnant women dying in Texas weren't things that PP could've helped them with. Nor do most PPs offer prenatal care at all which I assume you realize now.
 
In today's society, the far Left "owns" feminism for all intents and purposes. They basically run it like a high school clique by and for women who buy into things like absolute abortion rights, sexual liberation, and other Left Wing social and political pet causes. They do so while either looking down their noses at, or even overtly going out of their way to belittle and harass, any woman who disagrees.

That's precisely why so many Conservative and Moderate women have been distancing themselves from the term and its ideology in recent years.
 
Think she makes a lot of these points better than I can. Lol

 
calamity said:
This has sort of bothered me for years. Not bothered in the "I really care about this" sense of the word, but bothered more in a "this makes no sense or does it" sort of way. I define a feminist as a woman who cares about the rights of women. IMO, that is the only requirement to be a feminist.

But, apparently, if I stuck to those guns, I'd be manslplaining. There seems to be a bunch of other definitions for a feminist out there which seem to go way beyond the obvious.

So, here are a few questions. Is being a feminist someone, male or female, who toes the party line on abortion and subscribes to all necessary PC catch phrases from equal pay to intersectionalism? Are feminists required to be pro-LGBT? Do they have to be Democrats or Green? Can a feminist be a church going, Jesus loving stay at home wife...or husband? Seriously, just what the **** defines a feminist today?


Anyway, this article is what brought up the above thoughts.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/pro-lifers-womens-march/513104/
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Go back a few decades and you had radical feminism, liberal feminism, marxist feminism, separatist feminism, lesbian feminism etc. etc. etc. I think it's actually far simpler now.

If you're really interested in this subject calamity, this British documentary really puts the historical perpective in a clear light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01vMhBC5YY

And it's both funny and heartwarming looking back.

I think as the documentary shows, feminism, like any ideology, evolves and means different things to different people at different times. I'm not really sure anybody "owns" feminism.

I consider myself a feminist. There was a time I'd have quoted you Mary Daly and ranted on for hours about what feminism meant, and you'd have been asleep pretty quickly.

Today, I simply don't like being put upon because I haven't got a penis. End of.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Go back a few decades and you had radical feminism, liberal feminism, marxist feminism, separatist feminism, lesbian feminism etc. etc. etc. I think it's actually far simpler now.

If you're really interested in this subject calamity, this British documentary really puts the historical perpective in a clear light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01vMhBC5YY

And it's both funny and heartwarming looking back.

I think as the documentary shows, feminism, like any ideology, evolves and means different things to different people at different times. I'm not really sure anybody "owns" feminism.

I consider myself a feminist. There was a time I'd have quoted you Mary Daly and ranted on for hours about what feminism meant, and you'd have been asleep pretty quickly.

Today, I simply don't like being put upon because I haven't got a penis. End of.
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My wife has made mention of this doc. She says that after watching it she realized that what we practice now is "feminism lite." I'll probably watch it a little later tonight. Thanks.
 
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