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Celebrating George Michael while Totally not Getting it

Captain America said:
You know, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye BUT...... there is nothing in the world more painful than having to get up and do a show when you just are not in to it.

I book 3 months to a year in advance. I don't have a clue in December how I am going to feel in July.

I am a performance addict. That much I know. I just wish I could pick when and where I do it. You cannot just "call in sick" in musical performance. Cancelling a show is bad ju-ju. Gameface time......
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I guess the old adage holds: anything done for money becomes just another job eventually.
 
calamity said:
I guess the old adage holds: anything done for money becomes just another job eventually.
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You can fish for fun or fish for a living. Fishing for a living is not fun.

I used to be so excited the night before a show I could hardly sleep.

These days, it takes all I can do just to get there on time. But I always do.
 
calamity said:
Ugh...

I was hoping this thread would lean more toward discussions of safe sex than Geezus. But, it is what it is.
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Yes, when you die it will likely be a result of your lifestyle. As is with most poeple whether they are drinkers, if they drive like idiots, easy too many eggs or drink too many cokes.

Everybody dies it's just a question of how and when.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes, when you die it will likely be a result of your lifestyle. As is with most poeple whether they are drinkers, if they drive like idiots, easy too many eggs or drink too many cokes.

Everybody dies it's just a question of how and when.
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53 is unusually young when the average LE is in the upper 70's.
 
calamity said:
This author gets it, but then he doesn't. In one way he celebrates what Michael did for the cruising set, but meanwhile he completely misses the boat on the fact that the guy is dead at age-53, and how that cruising lifestyle probably led to his early demise. SMH

George Michael Was A 'Filthy' Gay 'F***er' And We Should Honor Him For That | The Huffington Post

If you're going to cruise bathrooms for strange dick, at least be sure you slip a raincoat over it before sticking it inside your butt.
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There are a lot of possible reasons George Michael died in middle age, many of which apply to pretty much all men (including you), or pretty much all people living in England. There's also, obviously, a history of drug use; specifically, that he smoked weed like some people smoke cigarettes. Smoking obviously isn't good for your heart either, nor your lungs, which would go a long way towards explaining why he kept getting chest infections.

Under the circumstances, it is extremely unlikely he died of anything AIDS-related. People dying of AIDS don't just go from healthy-looking, functional people to dead in one night, and they rarely ever die of something as mundane as heart failure. He was being poked at in the tabloids for appearing to have put on weight just the other day -- not something you see in people dying of AIDS, but common in people yo-yo'ing in and out of drug rehabilitation, as he is known to have done.

And beyond that, I think George Michael was the kinda guy who probably wouldn't have kept it secret if he did have HIV/AIDS, especially if it were advanced. As you can see in the article you posted, he wasn't exactly shy about discussing the aspects of gay realities that other people don't like to.

Regards the article, I'm of two minds. Some points are salient, yet I detest the simple-mindedness of this particular branch of the sex-positive movement and find it increasingly difficult to associate with it.

But one thing the writer is definitely right about is that our culture is still pretty negative and hateful about gay people trying to tell honest stories about their lives. And that fact is made abundantly clear by your belief that it's impossible for a gay man who doesn't follow the heternormative sexual script to die prematurely of anything other than AIDS, despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
LittleNipper said:
The illness is caused by having multiple sex partners and very unhealthy sexual contact. Anal and oral sex are not the cleanest form of sex and top it with individuals having sex with even animals and the partners not even knowing --- and worse --- not even caring.
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Uh, no. Just all kinds of no. There is literally not a single thing you said here that is even remotely true.

This sort of ignorance is why people keep getting HIV. People like you who think they're "safe" as long as they're not gay or don't hook up. Hey, guess what? Neither of those things will protect you from HIV.

There are virgins who have gotten HIV. Millions of them, actually. There are people who have only had one sexual partner who have gotten HIV. And conversely, there are people who have had thousands of sexual partners and not gotten HIV, because they practice safer sex.

HIV is almost never transmitted through oral sex -- it's incredibly rare for this to happen. So rare that some epidemiologists still question the legitimacy of these claims to this day.

Anal sex is much higher risk, but then, so is vaginal. Maybe less so, yes, but that hasn't stopped straight people from making up the highest percentage of people living with HIV, globally speaking. This stupid belief that being straight means you can't get HIV is also why straight people now have the highest rate of new HIV infections in America.

And you cannot get HIV from animals, for ****'s sake. It's the HUMAN immunodeficiency virus. Other animals have their own unique viruses, and they are not transmittable to humans.

Also, being gay means you like the same sex, not animals. Seriously, where the hell did you go to school?
 
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brothern said:
Michael died of heart failure, which is the lead cause of death in white males aged 45-54.

... but glad that even though Michael didn't fulfill his "stereotype" that you were just able to fulfill yours.
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Initial reports, and while I believe that will end up being the true cause, it's not certain just yet.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
There are a lot of possible reasons George Michael died in middle age, many of which apply to pretty much all men (including you), or pretty much all people living in England. There's also, obviously, a history of drug use; specifically, that he smoked weed like some people smoke cigarettes. Smoking obviously isn't good for your heart either, nor your lungs, which would go a long way towards explaining why he kept getting chest infections.

Under the circumstances, it is extremely unlikely he died of anything AIDS-related. People dying of AIDS don't just go from healthy-looking, functional people to dead in one night, and they rarely ever die of something as mundane as heart failure. He was being poked at in the tabloids for appearing to have put on weight just the other day -- not something you see in people dying of AIDS, but common in people yo-yo'ing in and out of drug rehabilitation, as he is known to have done.

And beyond that, I think George Michael was the kinda guy who probably wouldn't have kept it secret if he did have HIV/AIDS, especially if it were advanced. As you can see in the article you posted, he wasn't exactly shy about discussing the aspects of gay realities that other people don't like to.

Regards the article, I'm of two minds. Some points are salient, yet I detest the simple-mindedness of this particular branch of the sex-positive movement and find it increasingly difficult to associate with it.

But one thing the writer is definitely right about is that our culture is still pretty negative and hateful about gay people trying to tell honest stories about their lives. And that fact is made abundantly clear by your belief that it's impossible for a gay man who doesn't follow the heternormative sexual script to die prematurely of anything other than AIDS, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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I'm not saying I know he died of AIDS. I'm saying that what the author is promoting: a promiscuous, live and let live lifestyle; obviously did not work out so well for GM. I'm of the belief that there are dangers out there, perhaps more damaging than STD, when someone goes down the road of pursuing empty, random sex. But, yeah, protecting oneself from STD should be paramount if doing it.

The author celebrates the notion of risky sex without discussing the downside. And, there is a downside. I think George provides us with aome evidence thereof. That's kind of where I was going with the thread.
 
rocket88 said:
We don't really know the cause of death yet. It's probably premature to blame it on sexuality.
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Lol I doubt his sexuality did much for his " long " life either.

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brothern said:
Michael died of heart failure, which is the lead cause of death in white males aged 45-54.

... but glad that even though Michael didn't fulfill his "stereotype" that you were just able to fulfill yours.
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Lol might have been heart failure, but we all know that his depraved lifestyle had nothing to do with his early demise............

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Partsguy57 said:
Lol might have been heart failure, but we all know that his depraved lifestyle had nothing to do with his early demise............

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Actually, we all know absolutely nothing about what caused his heart attack. Only depraved and reprehensible deplorables think they know why he died
 
sangha said:
Actually, we all know absolutely nothing about what caused his heart attack. Only depraved and reprehensible deplorables think they know why he died
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No there is plenty of news on his depraved lifestyle, do you have a problem with this truth that was widely reported? Funny how you refuse to admitt what he was and yet you throw out names about those you know nothing about. Speaks volumes about your character and "values" of the left. We don't know how he died and maybe truly never will as there is a agenda by some to make the depraved "normal " this I can assure you,his lifestyle was not one that tends to lead to a long happy healthy life. Cheers

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calamity said:
I'm not saying I know he died of AIDS. I'm saying that what the author is promoting: a promiscuous, live and let live lifestyle; obviously did not work out so well for GM. I'm of the belief that there are dangers out there, perhaps more damaging than STD, when someone goes down the road of pursuing empty, random sex. But, yeah, protecting oneself from STD should be paramount if doing it.

The author celebrates the notion of risky sex without discussing the downside. And, there is a downside. I think George provides us with aome evidence thereof. That's kind of where I was going with the thread.
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But you don't have any evidence that his lifestyle had anything to do with his death. He died of the most common cause of death for men his age. And sometimes, it happens even in people with no lifestyle risk factors at all. :shrug:

You are assuming he's experiencing some sort of cosmic punishment for being a gay man who hooked up, when there's absolutely no reason to believe that. If he DID die of anything lifestyle-related, it was related to smoking, not his sex life. You don't die suddenly in your sleep with no recent history of illness from an STD, dude. Lots of smokers waited until marriage and never slept with anyone but their opposite-sex spouse, and still died in middle age from smoking.

I mean, I notice you didn't make a similar thread about any of the other dozen or so celebrities who have died prematurely this year, many for reasons related to lifestyle, and many of whom had a history of having so much casual sex that Michael looks pious by comparison. For some reason, you only decided to make a shaming thread about the one gay man in the bunch. Gee, how strange.

Like I said, I am not a fan of this particularly vapid branch of sex positivity. I think it is vital to have non-judgemental conversations and resources for gay people living what is often a ghettoized existence, especially older gay men who so frequently have substance problems, but the lack of examination of the sociological roots of this has always bothered me.

That does not mean the solution is to bash them simply for existing, and exploit their deaths to tell struggling gay people what horrible human beings they are and how they will surely die for not ****ing the way you want them to ****.
 
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Partsguy57 said:
No there is plenty of news on his depraved lifestyle, do you have a problem with this truth that was widely reported? Funny how you refuse to admitt what he was and yet you throw out names about those you know nothing about. Speaks volumes about your character and "values" of the left. We don't know how he died and maybe truly never will as there is a agenda by some to make the depraved "normal " this I can assure you,his lifestyle was not one that tends to lead to a long happy healthy life. Cheers

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The news hasnt reported on how he died other than to say it was a heart attack. For all we know, the lifestyle choice responsible for his death was eating a rack of ribs instead of a salad

But there are plenty of depraved deplorables who need to believe otherwise. It speaks to the character and values of these deplorables
 
sangha said:
The news hasnt reported on how he died other than to say it was a heart attack. For all we know, the lifestyle choice responsible for his death was eating a rack of ribs instead of a salad

But there are plenty of depraved deplorables who need to believe otherwise. It speaks to the character and values of these deplorables
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Lol if we don't agree with you and your kind we are depraved deplorables, and when one obviously lived a depraved lifestyle that is " normal " by you and your kind and can't be pointed out for what anyone with a shred of honesty can clearly see without being labeled a deplorable shows just what you are. Nuts. And you wonder why so many in the country don't agree with your " values" cheers

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Partsguy57 said:
Lol if we don't agree with you and your kind we are depraved deplorables, and when one obviously lived a depraved lifestyle that is " normal " by you and your kind and can't be pointed out for what anyone with a shred of honesty can clearly see without being labeled a deplorable shows just what you are. Nuts. And you wonder why so many in the country don't agree with your " values" cheers

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I am 100% certain that what you wrote played a part in the rebellion against the "establishment." People really are sick and tired of being told what to think and say.

A guy dies at 53, a guy who clearly lived a ****ed up lifestyle, but bring it up, point out that this lifestyle probably played a significant role in his demise, and what do we get? Accused of being haters and bigots.
 
Partsguy57 said:
Lol if we don't agree with you and your kind we are depraved deplorables,
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You are entitled to have your own opinions. You arent entitled to your own facts

The fact is, we dont know if his lifestyle had anything to do with his death. Deplorables make up facts because they cant handle the truth and have no character or values.

Thats why they are deplorable.
 
calamity said:
I am 100% certain that what you wrote played a part in the rebellion against the "establishment." People really are sick and tired of being told what to think and say.

A guy dies at 53, a guy who clearly lived a ****ed up lifestyle, but bring it up, point out that this lifestyle probably played a significant role in his demise, and what do we get? Accused of being haters and bigots.
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Thank you sir!! Very well said..

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sangha said:
You are entitled to have your own opinions. You arent entitled to your own facts

The fact is, we dont know if his lifestyle had anything to do with his death. Deplorables make up facts because they cant handle the truth and have no character or values.

Thats why they are deplorable.
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The only thing in question here is what killed him. His depraved lifestyle is not in question. For you to argue otherwise you do at the risk of making oneself look very foolish. Cheers

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Partsguy57 said:
The only thing in question here is what killed him.
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There is also the question of why deplorables insist that his sexual activities had something to do with his death.

I think it is because they recognize that their own petty and depraved lifestyles will never result in the sorts of achievements that GMs life did. Their petulant mewlings reek of envy and shame
 
sangha said:
There is also the question of why deplorables insist that his sexual activities had something to do with his death.

I think it is because they recognize that their own petty and depraved lifestyles will never result in the sorts of achievements that GMs life did. Their petulant mewlings reek of envy and shame
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I don't think you have any sort of idea of what depraved is. If you think those that voted trump are depraved deplorables, and George is not depraved you really are clueless of why half the country thinks your " values" are not anything we have a interest in. Happy new year to you although I think with your twisted way of thinking it will be a long one for you. Cheers.

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rocket88 said:
We don't really know the cause of death yet. It's probably premature to blame it on sexuality.
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Logically it can never be blamed on his "sexuality"
he died of heart failure

but even if he secretly died of STDs he still won't be his sexuality that killed him but his practices

please note I am NOT saying you claimed otherwise I simply quoted your posts as a platform/segue to point that out.
 
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