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How men are conditioned to think sexual assault is no big deal

I don't think people have an innate disrespect for girls, that's the point

As I believe we demonstrated in another thread, what this even means is really sort of up for grabs. The Feminist Left's notion of "disrespect" (or "respect," for that matter) is not the one commonly embraced by the rest of society.

In any case, to call the OP article "overreaching" would be a bit of an understatement.

And it's absolutely true. But there's a difference between liking someone who just comes up and kisses you, and liking someone who has the emotional intelligence to understand that you want to be kissed. Not everyone has that emotional intelligence.

i.e. Women basically expect men to "read their minds."

In case you haven't noticed, the kinds of misunderstandings that results in are not only a common cause of alleged "assaults," but also of the vast majority of problems with heterosexual relationships in general. That's exactly why you have to make allowances for certain "shades of grey," and not simply embrace a "the man is always automatically at fault" approach, to these kinds of issues.

Human nature and human sexuality in general, and human female nature and human female sexuality in particular, simply aren't so rational nor so linear as certain people want to make out.
 
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7 Reasons So Many Guys Don?t Understand Sexual Consent

Interesting piece on how we're socially conditioned to think about sex and consent. Amongst other things, it takes a look at some of the most famous movies in history and shows how sexual assault is normalized in them.

Here are the 'lessons':



I know it's cracked, but it's not a typical cracked article. Interested in hearing dissenting thoughts, and to see whether people agree whether certain cultural icons do give children the wrong impression of consent.

I request that if you do see something wrong you point out the specifics, rather than just dismissing the entire article. There are separate points in there. Thanks.
The earliest fossils of anatomically modern humans are about 200,000 years old.

Immediate previous was neanderthals, with brains not to dissimilar from ours.

Before that, similar-brained homo heidelbergensis ...

For hundreds of thousands of years, maybe even a couple million years, we have been evolving from neuropsychologically closely related ancestors .. all of us procreating as we biologically do now.

And, our brain's archetypes have been forming and genetically passing throughout all of this time, basically forming the foundation of how we experience each other.

Our higher brain's psychological archetypes are unconsciously coupled with our lower brain's cerebellum survival mechanisms.

It is only more recently that very higher cognitive functions have developed to where we are both individually and collectively conscious about ethics and the like.

However, our basic brain's historical ancestral functions are still there .. and we are understandably often in whole psychological conflict when survival drives are at play.

Today, we revile such archetype-lower brain "instinct" and revel in higher cognitive conscious "choice".

But .. we are both.

Dismissing our more ancient drives and methods as "bad" and emphasizing superegoistic societal norms as "good" brings a lot of thereby dysfunctional people into my office for counseling.

And though I would advise everyone to respect our laws, I understand the whole of who and what we are .. and why "sexual assault" still occurs.

So, keep in mind, that there's a significant part of our psyche that is still very "old school", so to speak, and that in that old school "curriculum", men were to go out and grab a woman, or two, and "mate" with them and women were "drawn" to both the fear and desire to be a part of that human pro-creation drive.

That's still existent in our unconscious drives today .. and both men and women put out "signals" of this in their encounters, even while they may be "compelled" by societal norms to exercise restraint.

Since men are historically the initiators, perhaps the "aggressors", they, when their superegos of societal norms "fail" them, are likely to commit what today we call "assault" .. and if it's on a woman who is more or less governed by her superego's societal norms, it is completely understandable that she and those like her, women and men alike, will be outraged.

Evolution is a messy business.

Bu reality is what it is.

We're probably dealing the best we can.
 
I don't think people have an innate disrespect for girls

i.e. Women basically expect men to "read their minds."

In case you haven't noticed, the kinds of misunderstandings that results in are not only a common cause of alleged "assaults," but also of the vast majority of problems with heterosexual relationships in general. That's exactly why you have to make allowances for certain "shades of grey," and not simply embrace a "the man is always automatically at fault" approach, to these kinds of issues.

Human nature and human sexuality in general, and human female nature and human female sexuality in particular, simply aren't so rational nor so linear as certain people want to make out.

To be clear here, I'm not minimizing real cases of rape or assault.

I am, however, absolutely saying that all of these absurd little vagueries and assumptions modern feminism is trying to tack onto the ideas of "consent" and "sexual violence" in order to try and disempower men are just silly.

i.e.

No, it's not automatically "harassment" if a guy advances on or flirts with a woman and she's not interested in him.

No, it's not automatically "assault" for a guy to misread the signs and make a physical move on a woman which may not be wanted.

No, it's not automatically "rape" (let alone rape which is automatically the man's fault) to have sex while intoxicated.

No, it's not automatically "rape" for a woman to give consent for a man to have sex with her, and then decide that she "didn't really mean it" after the fact.

In all cases, wrong-doing requires the willful intent to do wrong or cause harm, and to persistently ignore clear signs that one's advances are unwanted.

i.e.

If she clearly says and means "No!" but you keep going anyway, THAT is harassment, assault, and/or rape.


Any other criteria is, quite frankly, unworkable and unreasonable.
 
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I've never thought sexual assault was no big deal, did you?

To be fair, that largely depends on how one defines the term.

A normal person's definition of "assault?" No one in their right mind thinks that's "no big deal."

The modern Feminist definition of "assault?"

Yeeaaahh... That's what a lot of people call "dating and having sex like a regular human being."

And - of course - they think that's entirely wrong and we should all change it, 'cuz... Reasons. :roll:
 
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Hormones are clearly visible in body language.

Are we talking about this scene?



Cuz that's hot.


It was very obvious she was into it. The sexual tension could be cut with a knife.

I really can't imagine a world hilly wants to live in. You and a girl have been flirting non stop are up close against each other staring in to each other's eyes she starts to lean in and you say excuse me would you like to kiss now. Yes that seems like reality. Give me a break.

From the article:



A girl putting her hands up and saying no is exactly what Leia did in that scene. But you, and everyone else, seemed to think it was ok for Han Solo to continue and try to kiss her.

Don't you see the hypocrisy there? You can say that a girl should just put her hands up and stop the guy, but when you see that very thing happen in a movie, you think that it's 'fine', 'hot', 'no big deal'.

Why? Because you notice that in that specific case of Han and Leia, there is 'chemistry' there. However, when this same thing happens in real life, a guy might think there's chemistry there, when in fact there is none. So the girl puts her hands up to stop the dude, but the dude carries on, because movies have taught him that if a girl puts her hands up to stop you, that doesn't necessarily mean no. So sexual assault does happen.

I go out to the bar scene around Tempe/Scottsdale a lot. I can go out, have a great time, and not worry about some creepy old lady hitting on me. My female friends have no such luxury, and some of the interactions they have with creepy guys are ****ing terrifying.

And according to everyone else in the world but you and "David Wong," Leia's was also saying yes.

So, maybe you might look at lightening up . . . a parsec or two. Really.

So..... there's a Star Wars marathon on today --- TBS. :)
 
I love how this article assumes that only men can sexually assault someone. We all know that's not true.

That's true but they account for a sueprmajority of them. It's like BlackLivesMatter vs AllLivesMatter, we know that there are some incidents with police officers using excessive force against white people but it's mostly on blacks.
 
I have always felt that rape is a horrible crime, that "No" means "No,' and so on.
 
7 Reasons So Many Guys Don?t Understand Sexual Consent

Interesting piece on how we're socially conditioned to think about sex and consent. Amongst other things, it takes a look at some of the most famous movies in history and shows how sexual assault is normalized in them.

Here are the 'lessons':



I know it's cracked, but it's not a typical cracked article. Interested in hearing dissenting thoughts, and to see whether people agree whether certain cultural icons do give children the wrong impression of consent.

I request that if you do see something wrong you point out the specifics, rather than just dismissing the entire article. There are separate points in there. Thanks.

What a bunch of bunk.
Unless they are being raised by a moron most guys do not think this.

7. The majority of guys do not believe this. There is always a small minority.
6. Again a load of bunk. Even in alcohol related cases permission was given.
5. This is true. The thrill of the chase applies to both sexes.
4. Again bunk trash. There are some women that do this but in general most women only do this when interested.
3. What kind of trash article is this?
2. It depends on the spiritual belief of the individual.
1. In some things boys will be boys. Sexual assault is not one of those traits.

If you know it is crack then why post it and support it?
It is a bunch of stereotypical BS. I Thought liberals hated stereotyping?
 
I love how this article assumes that only men can sexually assault someone. We all know that's not true.

Yep there are plenty of women on men and women on women rapes that go unreported.
 
7 Reasons So Many Guys Don?t Understand Sexual Consent

Interesting piece on how we're socially conditioned to think about sex and consent. Amongst other things, it takes a look at some of the most famous movies in history and shows how sexual assault is normalized in them.

Here are the 'lessons':



I know it's cracked, but it's not a typical cracked article. Interested in hearing dissenting thoughts, and to see whether people agree whether certain cultural icons do give children the wrong impression of consent.

I request that if you do see something wrong you point out the specifics, rather than just dismissing the entire article. There are separate points in there. Thanks.

This is another great example of why modern liberalism deserves our ridicule and scorn. In some cases (and this one is a perfect example), it truly is a mental disorder.

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Well of course we don't ignore it. And I don't think it's a bad idea to teach consent at an early age. But it's not like rapists haven't ever heard of consent before, or know what it is and how it works.

But regardless, sexual assault still happens anyway. I think more needs to be done in order to prevent sexual assaults from happening.

They know about it they simply do not care. Usually it is a result of a prior abuse experience where they had no choice.
More so in boys. Where it was a mom or dad or uncle or someone else.

They had no say in their abuse or control.
If it was done enough times and no help given it can roll over into adult life.

First of all, I disagree that movies like these are teaching people how to act in society. This is basically the equivalent of the false claims people have made in the past that playing violent video games makes one violent in real life, when there have been numerous studies showing that there is no direct link between real-life violence and violent video games.

Again correct. They do not do anything to promote that. I watched Star Wars forever.
Sure leia was hot in that outfit but that was about it. It didn't cause a generation to go out and start raping women.

And no, I do think it's an issue. I just think that just teaching consent is not enough tp solve this issue. I believe more also has to be done, if we really ever want to cut down on the number of sexual assaults, especially on college campuses. I believe that we should also teach people how to take certain precautions beforehand in order to minimize their chances of ending up in a devastating situation like this.

Courts are throwing out yes means yes all over the place as it violates due process.
Most things on campus are alcohol or drug related. Where consent is given and someone doesn't remember.

The bigger issue is drug related. That is what needs to be addressed.

Yes, I know. I said (or rather I was trying to say) that I didn't see how encouraging verbal consent would somehow lead to less incidents of sexual assault. I'm not saying that verbal consent (or rather consent in general) isn't important.

Yep consent is important but some people are taking it to far wanting a signed contract
 
I think things like this thread are indicative of heterosexual male sexuality being demonized

This has reprocussions throughout our culture.
 
Your statement is a paradox.

Yes, yes it is. I did that on purpose. It's a commentary on "locker room talk" being acceptable to alot of women, as well as the very real fetish of "safe rape". An act in which two consenting partners get off on living out a rape fantasy. Where one patner gets to take and the other gets taken. I myself like forward women,who assert their dominance. Which I've always been bad at reading womens' silent cues, so that works for me.
 
Yes, yes it is. I did that on purpose. It's a commentary on "locker room talk" being acceptable to alot of women, as well as the very real fetish of "safe rape". An act in which two consenting partners get off on living out a rape fantasy. Where one patner gets to take and the other gets taken. I myself like forward women,who assert their dominance. Which I've always been bad at reading womens' silent cues, so that works for me.

I don't really understand the silent cues or the subversive language of women. I've never witnessed it. I don't pay that close of attention to them.

I wouldn't think a woman that speaks her mind and knows what she wants would be dominate. Just open.

But my lack of experience discredits me.
 
I don't really understand the silent cues or the subversive language of women. I've never witnessed it. I don't pay that close of attention to them.

I wouldn't think a woman that speaks her mind and knows what she wants would be dominate. Just open.

But my lack of experience discredits me.

When I say dominant, I mean above the norm for women. Like my wife, before we met she would pick up guys in bars by rubbing the front of their jeans, or by grabbing their hands and leading them out. Basically claiming the man as hers. . I like women who offend little old church ladies and takes whats theirs, is what I'm saying.
 
When I say dominant, I mean above the norm for women. Like my wife, before we met she would pick up guys in bars by rubbing the front of their jeans, or by grabbing their hands and leading them out. Basically claiming the man as hers. . I like women who offend little old church ladies and takes whats theirs, is what I'm saying.

Someone who initiates sexual activity to me isn't necessarily dominate.
 
Someone who initiates sexual activity to me isn't necessarily dominate.
I think in every-day language, its considered dominant behavior to:
1. describe what you want form your partner
2. initiate sex with your partner

It doesn't mean they are "dominating you", or that on balance they are mostly "the dominant one", or even that they are best labeled as "dominant", it just means that behavior is something most readily associated with leading rather than following.
 
I think in every-day language, its considered dominant behavior to:
1. describe what you want form your partner
2. initiate sex with your partner

It doesn't mean they are "dominating you", or that on balance they are mostly "the dominant one", or even that they are best labeled as "dominant", it just means that behavior is something most readily associated with leading rather than following.

I agree, though a lot of people see that behavior as dominate it isn't necessarily.
 
That's exactly why you have to make allowances for certain "shades of grey," and not simply embrace a "the man is always automatically at fault" approach, to these kinds of issues.

There is a very interesting article: "Why rape cases should not be subject to reasonable doubt". There is a whole movement to change the burden of proof in rape cases.
 
I find this premise to be complete bull****.

society is conditioned to think sexual assault is far worse then other forms of brutal assault because of our hangups on sex.

violent physical assault is horrible. it doesn't have to be sexual to be traumatic!
 
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