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Is anyone else just kind of sick and tired of seeing crap like this?

Kobie said:
Well, screw you very much, guy.
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Dude. Pretty much your sole contribution to this thread has been a blatant ad hominem attack, trying to derail the thread by completely ignoring the OP, and accusing me of having issues with women instead.

High ground. You do not has it.

I think most of what you post is pure idiocy.
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Ditto.

If that is "derailing" your woe-is-me train, report it. Otherwise, shut the **** up.
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Way ahead of ya. ;)
 
Gathomas88 said:
Dude. Pretty much your sole contribution to this thread has been a blatant ad hominem attack, trying to derail the thread by completely ignoring the OP, and accusing me of having issues with women instead.

High ground. You do not has it.

Ditto.

Way ahead of ya. ;)
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Far out, bruh.
 
Brewdog said:
Maybe just grow a pair. If the guy grabbed your titty or between the thighs, then call the police. If you perceived that he looked at you funny, or he said you were pretty, or if he tried to kiss you and you turned your head away, then perhaps let it the **** go?
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Yeah... Which is kind of my whole thing with Trump's comments.

Is Trump probably a bit handsy and aggressive in his sexual style? I wouldn't doubt it. He seems like the type.

That being said, however, I kind of doubt that he just randomly goes around kissing or grabbing women by the junk either. If he did that at all, it was probably in the context of flirtation, where he thought a girl was giving him signs to "make a move."

That's really sort of a grey area, because (to reasonable people, at least) it only becomes "assault" if the woman A) doesn't like it, and B) he doesn't stop even after she makes that clear.

Pretty much every guy I know who actually manages to get laid at clubs uses those kinds of tactics. Meanwhile, my never feeling comfortable with them is a large part of the reason why I don't ever get lucky there.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Yeah... Which is kind of my whole thing with Trump's comments.

Is Trump probably a bit handsy and aggressive in his sexual style? I wouldn't doubt it. He seems like the type.

That being said, however, I kind of doubt that he just randomly goes around kissing or grabbing women by the junk either. If he did that at all, it was probably in the context of flirtation, where he thought a girl was giving him signs to "make a move."

That's really sort of a grey area, because it only becomes "assault" if the woman A) doesn't like it, and B) he doesn't stop even after she makes that clear.
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"A person commits the offense of sexual battery when he or she intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of the body of another person without the consent of that person."

That sums it up from a legal standpoint.
 
Brewdog said:
"A person commits the offense of sexual battery when he or she intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of the body of another person without the consent of that person."

That sums it up from a legal standpoint.
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By that standard, basically every person in the typical college nightclub is a sexual predator.

You'd be violating that law just by trying to grind up on some girl without explicitly asking her permission first (which is literally the whole way modern dancing is done). lol
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Pretty much no one disagrees.



If the article's language and message were aimed at girls and women, telling them how to effectively respond to unwanted advances from potentially dangerous men (like, for example, telling your freaking father when a G.D. leering pedophile barges into your room unnanounced, regardless of what it does to 'the party' downstairs), I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, that's rather clearly not its intent.

It generalizes and basically tries to imply that all men share blame for the actions of a small minority of creeps. It does so in an extremely heavy-handed and moralistic manner. What's more beyond even that, it's basically made in such a way as to deliberately encourage being "put on blast" over social media, so as to mass inundate people with its message, and allow certain kinds of people to flaunt their self-proclaimed "virtue" in doing so.

I'm sorry, but that's just obnoxious on multiple different levels.



Again, the vast majority of men already know this. Those that don't generally have something wrong with them, so they're not going to be dissuaded by an internet blog post anyway.



First off, we have no idea what Trump did or did not do. All we know is that he made some hyperbolic statements in a private conversation once.

Secondly, even if he did do such a thing, Trump (or Bill Clinton, for that matter) is hardly representative of the behavior of most men.
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Oh good gracious. You don't understand women at all. The intent is sharing experiences. It is cathartic. It shows we are not alone, we are not to blame for what happened to us. This is a woman, speaking to women.

I do not see how she implies anything about all men. What she does say to men is:
If you overhear your buddy objectifying women, don't be his Billy Bush. Call him out. Laughing it off or ignoring it says this behavior is okay.

Tell your daughters, sisters, wives, female friends and coworkers that they need to speak up. When they do, take them seriously. Do something, even if it makes you uncomfortable.

Teach your sons about consent. That women don't owe them anything, ever, no matter what.
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All men don't share the blame, but you have some power to make things better for the women in your lives.

I'm not going to drag the thread off into Trump or Clinton behavior, but what those comments represent is the point. If any man is laughing at such suggestions, that is not ok.
 
PirateMk1 said:
No this crap happens because you women don't put a boot in the offenders balls. Real women don't put up with crap. My mother is a prime example. She is 5'0 and very mild mannered almost all the time. However you do not cross that woman if you would like to continue enjoy life. I have personally watched her cow a 6'6 250lb asshole claiming to be a man. He grew a brain when he realized my mother quite literally was going to remove his head to place on a pike and keep his hide for a pair boots. Kick enough assholes in the nuts they tend not be overt assholes around you. When a man acts like an ass, be the bitch and bite the SOB's head off. There are always going to be assholes in this world it is up to you to know and be ready and able to deal with them.
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Thanks. As a 12 y/o facing a grown man who was my dad's best friend, that's the advice I needed.
 
Gathomas88 said:
By that standard, basically every person in the typical college nightclub is a sexual predator.

You'd be violating that law just by trying to grind up on some girl without explicitly asking her permission first. lol
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Yep, and that's the problem with the weak-ass generation of today. Instead of just saying "Go away, asshole." They write blogs about it and sue the families and go on a lifelong quest to be a victim instead of just saying, "Some jackass rubbed his junk against my leg on the dancefloor last night." And then just laugh about it like every other generation did.

Generation Cupcake. Poor them and all their problems.
 
That women don't owe them anything, ever, no matter what.
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Oh lordy, We would not want our modern day you know whats expecting anything, now would we....
 
Brewdog said:
Yep, and that's the problem with the weak-ass generation of today. Instead of just saying "Go away, asshole." They write blogs about it and sue the families and go on a lifelong quest to be a victim instead of just saying, "Some jackass rubbed his junk against my leg on the dancefloor last night." And then just laugh about it like every other generation did.

Generation Cupcake. Poor them and all their problems.
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Nicely put sir.
 
Brewdog said:
Yep, and that's the problem with the weak-ass generation of today. Instead of just saying "Go away, asshole." They write blogs about it and sue the families and go on a lifelong quest to be a victim instead of just saying, "Some jackass rubbed his junk against my leg on the dancefloor last night." And then just laugh about it like every other generation did.

Generation Cupcake. Poor them and all their problems.
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It's problematic for this generation in particular just because we're so damn hyper-sexual about everything, in addition to being overly sensitive. The basic M.O. of a modern dance club, for example, is basically a bunch of sweaty drunken retards, crammed into a horrendously tight and overly hot space, grinding up on one another like monkeys, while ear-splitting music blares in the background. The entire purpose of being there (for a guy, at least) is sex. Asking for a girl's permission to dance is also pretty much impossible, because of the loudness of the music, and the confined nature of the space (besides, they'll all just say 'no' if you ask anyway).

Basically your only recourse is to wade in, and start grinding up on people and groping things, hoping that some girl's into it, and that she doesn't tell you to stop.

According to the law, that's sexual assault. Pretty much everyone still does it either way regardless, however. :shrug:
 
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Basically your only recourse is to wade in, start grinding up on people and groping things, hoping that some girl's into it, and doesn't tell you to stop.

According to the law, that's sexual assault. Pretty much everyone still does it either way regardless, however. :shrug:
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And if she thinks you're good looking or your dad is wealthy, she'll like it. If she thinks you're ugly and poor, she'll shoot you to the curb. That's the way it's been forever, and this new society of victimization where girls go to clubs and frat parties and now they're suddenly victims for the same **** that's always happened? GTFO. If you tell the guy to leave and he's being a creep and feeling you up, that's a crime.

If you've been talking to him for 30 minutes and he tries to kiss you in the hallway, then that's just you egging him on. No guy at a drunken frat party thinks some girl is talking to him and touching his arm because she just wants a fratboy study partner. He's going to interpret things "That Way" and the girl knows damn well he is. If the guy tries to grab an intimate part of your body, that's legally defined as assault. But if you've been flirting with some guy at a party and he tries to kiss you, then **** off. You're playing headgames and you know damn well.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's problematic for this generation in particular just because we're so damn hyper-sexual about everything, in addition to being overly sensitive. The basic M.O. of a modern dance club, for example, is basically a bunch of sweaty drunken retards, crammed into a horrendously tight and overly hot space, grinding up on one another like monkeys, while ear-splitting music blares in the background. The entire purpose of being there (for a guy, at least) is sex. Asking for a girl's permission to dance is also pretty much impossible, because of the loudness of the music, and the confined nature of the space (besides, they'll all just say 'no' if you ask anyway).

Basically your only recourse is to wade in, and start grinding up on people and groping things, hoping that some girl's into it, and that she doesn't tell you to stop.

According to the law, that's sexual assault. Pretty much everyone still does it either way regardless, however. :shrug:
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The feminists theory of consent always runs into big problems going that last mile.

Or to put in another way, their beliefs and reality never quite match.

Then we get to watch them try to paper over the discrepancy.

That can get to be some really great fun.

These bitches are inventive!

:pimpdaddy:
 
Brewdog said:
And if she thinks you're good looking or your dad is wealthy, she'll like it. If she thinks you're ugly and poor, she'll shoot you to the curb. That's the way it's been forever, and this new society of victimization where girls go to clubs and frat parties and now they're suddenly victims for the same **** that's always happened? GTFO. If you tell the guy to leave and he's being a creep and feeling you up, that's a crime.

If you've been talking to him for 30 minutes and he tries to kiss you in the hallway, then that's just you egging him on. No guy at a drunken frat party thinks some girl is talking to him and touching his arm because she just wants a fratboy study partner. He's going to interpret things "That Way" and the girl knows damn well he is. If the guy tries to grab an intimate part of your body, that's legally defined as assault. But if you've been flirting with some guy at a party and he tries to kiss you, then **** off. You're playing headgames and you know damn well.
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Hawkeye10 said:
The feminists theory of consent always runs into big problems going that last mile.

Or to put in another way, their beliefs and reality never quite match.

Then we get to watch them try to paper over the discrepancy.

That can get to be some really great fun.

These bitches are inventive!

:pimpdaddy:
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Yup.

Slightly off topic, but, ironically, I actually do a Hell of a lot better with strippers than with the women at clubs, just because there's so much less ambiguity involved.

"She's naked and she's sitting on your lap, of freaking course you're supposed to grope her! What, are you gay?"

I've actually managed to turn a couple on enough that they let me take 'em home (though, if we're being honest, the fact that I'm a lot more polite than most of their usual clientele probably helps a lot in that regard as well).

Club girls? They'll literally start twerking three inches in front of you, and then push you away when you try to dance with them. That "game" is just too damn complicated for my blood. :lol:
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yup.

Slightly off topic, but, ironically, I actually do a Hell of a lot better with strippers than with the women at clubs, just because there's so much less ambiguity involved.

"She's naked and she's sitting on your lap, of freaking course you're supposed to grope her! What, are you gay?"

I've actually managed to turn a couple on enough that they let me take 'em home (though, if we're being honest, the fact that I'm a lot more polite than most of their usual clientele probably helps a lot in that regard as well).

Club girls? They'll literally start twerking three inches in front of you, and then push you away when you try to dance with them. That "game" is just too damn complicated for my blood. :lol:
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I used to see a lot of that at Ron Jeremy's Club Sesso in Portland, these 20's something club girls who are all about the **** tease, want to make sure they get off but the guy does not, cause that be how their sadism runs.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yup.

Slightly off topic, but, ironically, I actually do a Hell of a lot better with strippers than with the women at clubs, just because there's so much less ambiguity involved.

"She's naked and she's sitting on your lap, of freaking course you're supposed to grope her! What, are you gay?"

I've actually managed to turn a couple on enough that they let me take 'em home (though, if we're being honest, the fact that I'm a lot more polite than most of their usual clientele probably helps a lot in that regard as well).

Club girls? They'll literally start twerking three inches in front of you, and then push you away when you try to dance with them. That "game" is just too damn complicated for my blood. :lol:
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This is way off topic, but I'm drinking and I have to go to work in three hours and I wanna tell a story before I go to sleep.

I lived in Atlanta for five years, and if you've ever been to a strip club in ATL, holy cow! The cream of the crop! Incredible!

But I don't like strip clubs. Never have. It always seemed like a waste of time and money. But my buddy wanted to go one night after all the bars had closed. I just wanted to drive home, but he insisted. He was older than me and I looked up to him because he a was a Marine Corps Major.

So we go to some place and this girl sits in my lap. I told her, "Hey toots, I'm not interested. I'm just gonna drink a few beers and then go home. No dancey dancey for me."

So she says, "See those guys on the wall? They're mob and I don't want to dance for them. They scare me. So if I could just sit in your lap a a while and talk, it won't cost you anything."

So we ended up hanging out a couple of hours and then we dated a bit after that night. My life is a complete cartoon with random **** that happens. And I like it that way. :)
 
Gina said:
Thanks. As a 12 y/o facing a grown man who was my dad's best friend, that's the advice I needed.
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Actually it was. Kick the ****er in balls and tell your pop straight up with nothing to water it down. You fight, and hard. Its what I have old my children to do should they find themselves in such a situation. I am a wicked mean cruel ruthless and nasty son of a bitch, I inherited those traits from my mother, who raised my sisters, brothers and myself not to put up with crap. One of my sisters has a ritual for when her daughters bring home their boyfriend. She has a rusty cheese grater sitting on the living room table with nothing else about. Inevitably the boys bring up the cheese grater, to which she replies, "That's the tool I am going to use to remove your junk should you do anything untoward my daughter, this presumes of course you still have your junk when she is through with you." Our family has wholeheartedly adopted that ritual. The word has gotten out that the women in our family are not to be trifled with. They earned that reputation themselves.

There are two kinds of women in this world, whiny bitchy little girls, and Valkyries. My families female members are Valkyries who raise Valkyries.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Actually it was. Kick the ****er in balls and tell your pop straight up with nothing to water it down. You fight, and hard. Its what I have old my children to do should they find themselves in such a situation. I am a wicked mean cruel ruthless and nasty son of a bitch, I inherited those traits from my mother, who raised my sisters, brothers and myself not to put up with crap. One of my sisters has a ritual for when her daughters bring home their boyfriend. She has a rusty cheese grater sitting on the living room table with nothing else about. Inevitably the boys bring up the cheese grater, to which she replies, "That's the tool I am going to use to remove your junk should you do anything untoward my daughter, this presumes of course you still have your junk when she is through with you." Our family has wholeheartedly adopted that ritual. The word has gotten out that the women in our family are not to be trifled with. They earned that reputation themselves.

There are two kinds of women in this world, whiny bitchy little girls, and Valkyries. My families female members are Valkyries who raise Valkyries.
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Never heard this before but it is perfect. Is this your thing, your families thing or a real thing that I missed? How many Amercians do you figure think like this? Now my family were mostly hard working hick nobodies who never got nearly enough education, so nobody in my family thought that way I am quite certain.

I am intrigued.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Actually it was. Kick the ****er in balls and tell your pop straight up with nothing to water it down. You fight, and hard. Its what I have old my children to do should they find themselves in such a situation. I am a wicked mean cruel ruthless and nasty son of a bitch, I inherited those traits from my mother, who raised my sisters, brothers and myself not to put up with crap. One of my sisters has a ritual for when her daughters bring home their boyfriend. She has a rusty cheese grater sitting on the living room table with nothing else about. Inevitably the boys bring up the cheese grater, to which she replies, "That's the tool I am going to use to remove your junk should you do anything untoward my daughter, this presumes of course you still have your junk when she is through with you." Our family has wholeheartedly adopted that ritual. The word has gotten out that the women in our family are not to be trifled with. They earned that reputation themselves.

There are two kinds of women in this world, whiny bitchy little girls, and Valkyries. My families female members are Valkyries who raise Valkyries.
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Thanks. A man that my family trusted is definitely one I should have been taught to kick in the cajones before I had a boyfriend. It's their failure. My failure. Not his.
 
Gina said:
Oh good gracious. You don't understand women at all. The intent is sharing experiences. It is cathartic. It shows we are not alone, we are not to blame for what happened to us. This is a woman, speaking to women.

I do not see how she implies anything about all men. What she does say to men is:


All men don't share the blame, but you have some power to make things better for the women in your lives.

I'm not going to drag the thread off into Trump or Clinton behavior, but what those comments represent is the point. If any man is laughing at such suggestions, that is not ok.
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This...

If you overhear your buddy objectifying women, don't be his Billy Bush. Call him out. Laughing it off or ignoring it says this behavior is okay.

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Teach your sons about consent. That women don't owe them anything, ever, no matter what.
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Is exactly what I'm talking about. There's no epidemic of men in our society who fail to understand "consent," and "objectification" is largely a non-issue one way or the other. The vast majority of the men in our culture understand "no means no," and they certainly understand "F-off."

The problem is a small minority of men who are inclined towards predatory behavior. No amount of "education" is going to get rid of that.

There's this whole undercurrent of condescending "YOU'RE the problem, and YOU have to fix it" towards men in general in this modern movement. More men find that grating than you might think.
 
Gathomas88 said:
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Is exactly what I'm talking about. There's no epidemic of men in our society who fail to understand "consent," and "objectification" is largely a non-issue one way or the other. The vast majority of the men in our culture understand "no means no," and they certainly understand "F-off."

The problem is a small minority of men who are inclined towards predatory behavior. No amount of "education" is going to get rid of that.

There's this whole undercurrent of condescending "YOU'RE the problem, and YOU have to fix it" towards men in general in this modern movement. More men find that grating than you might think.
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Sir, you missed a piece. It goes "I am not happy, YOU'RE the problem, FIX IT!"

You're welcome btw.
 
Gina said:
You know, this is why women don't speak up when they are molested/assaulted/raped. Sorry that they annoy you when they do it online.

Please explain how women telling these stories of being molested/assaulted/raped are idiotic? Or overblown? How in the world are they hypocritical or counter-productive?
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And what are people supposed to do with the information?
 
Gathomas88 said:
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Is exactly what I'm talking about. There's no epidemic of men in our society who fail to understand "consent," and "objectification" is largely a non-issue one way or the other. The vast majority of the men in our culture understand "no means no," and they certainly understand "F-off."

The problem is a small minority of men who are inclined towards predatory behavior. No amount of "education" is going to get rid of that.

There's this whole undercurrent of condescending "YOU'RE the problem, and YOU have to fix it" towards men in general in this modern movement. More men find that grating than you might think.
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And what are we supposed to do to fix it? Maybe these women can offer us some kind of solution they have in mind, so we have some idea how we are supposed to solve it.
 
Gina said:
Thanks. As a 12 y/o facing a grown man who was my dad's best friend, that's the advice I needed.
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Gina said:
Thanks. A man that my family trusted is definitely one I should have been taught to kick in the cajones before I had a boyfriend. It's their failure. My failure. Not his.
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Yes, what happened there was clearly wrong. What happened to my mother was clearly wrong as well.

While I don't know anything regarding your situation, I do know, however, that the problem in my mother's case was that her family kept some rather skeezy and amoral "friends" - I think the one that came on to my mother also attempted to come on to my grandmother at one point as well, in addition to carrying out numerous other affairs. She also wasn't really given any idea how to respond to someone approaching her in that way.

The fact of the matter is that you can't do anything about predators. A shark is going to be a shark regardless of what you do. However, you can control your environment, and make sure you know how to respond to certain things happening in it.

If nothing else, I think girls these days are given better knowledge of the latter, at least with regard to potential pedophiles. That certainly is a step forward, and a worthwhile endeavor, I will not deny.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Never heard this before but it is perfect. Is this your thing, your families thing or a real thing that I missed? How many Amercians do you figure think like this? Now my family were mostly hard working hick nobodies who never got nearly enough education, so nobody in my family thought that way I am quite certain.

I am intrigued.
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I have very large family and it is a family thing best I can tell, our last name is that of a large predator and our ancestors ran the range from kings and presidents to pirates to crime lords, the weak willed, and feeble minded have been for the most part bred out over time. We take pride in this. I have known some other families with a similar philosophy, they tend to be more rural and therefor independent hence the necessity, were as my family is more distributed were they live and ours is more of a philosophical one. My particular branch is more rural and rural oriented.

I don't really know that many people with a similar family philosophy. I do know a lot of strong women, that are not family nor raised as product of a similar philosophy to ours. I do seem to find strong independent women more in the rural areas so maybe that is where they are. Never really thought about it to be honest.
 
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