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Is anyone else just kind of sick and tired of seeing crap like this?

Gathomas88 said:
First off, there isn't a single "assault" mentioned anywhere in that article. It just a list of some random guys being vaguely creepy and or rude. Her melodramatics over it are "overblown" for that exact reason.

Secondly, see my response to Brewdog.
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I didn't say she was reporting assault and I actually used the terms molested/assaulted/raped. And there are loads of these kinds of posts/reports on the internet where any or all of those three things happened to a women and girls. But since she wasn't assaulted, these things that happened to her are just vaguely creepy and an annoyance. I get it.

For the record, when a girl wakes up to a grown man standing over her bed with thoughts like that on his mind, it's not vaguely creepy. It's terrifying. And it's not ok. Which is her point.

As to your comments to the other poster, no. I don't think you can empathize with her comments, to any extent.
 
And I see what Gathomas is saying. She's just saying "Some guys are creepy."

Ok, fine. Some guys are. I'm a guy and I find some guys creepy. I don't write a G.D. article about it.
 
Gina said:
I didn't say she was reporting assault and I actually used the terms molested/assaulted/raped. And there are loads of these kinds of posts/reports on the internet where any or all of those three things happened to a women and girls. But since she wasn't assaulted, these things that happened to her are just vaguely creepy and an annoyance. I get it.
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If you're providing an account of an actual assault, rape, or instance of molestation, for the purposes of teaching other women what to avoid, or as a sort of "survivor's therapy," that's one thing. Again, however, nothing actually happened to this girl, and she's not really telling us anything other than that some guys are creepy, and hit on her a couple of times.

What's the point? Just an excuse to wax all moralistic and "broad-brush" gender judgemental for a few pages?

For the record, when a girl wakes up to a grown man standing over her bed with thoughts like that on his mind, it's not vaguely creepy. It's terrifying. And it's not ok. Which is her point.
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Okay. And?

No one with any sense disagrees with that. Those that do are waaaay too far gone to be reached by a simple blog post.

What, exactly, are you and this author suggesting that "we the people" do about creepy middle aged men who drunkenly hit on young girls once, but don't actually do anything?

*Bear in mind, per the author's own words, when this creep actually did do something, his ass was promptly thrown in jail.*
 
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Gathomas88 said:
If you're providing an account of an actual assault, rape, or instance of molestation, for the purposes of teaching other women what to avoid, or as a sort of "survivor's therapy," that's one thing. Again, however, nothing actually happened to this girl, and she's not really telling us anything other than that some guys are creepy, and hit on her a couple of times.

What's the point? Just an excuse to wax all moralistic and "broad-brush" gender judgemental for a few pages?



Okay. And?

No one with any sense disagrees with that. Those that do are waaaay too far gone to be reached by a simple blog post.

What, exactly, are you and this author suggesting that "we the people" do about creepy middle aged men who drunkenly hit on young girls once, but don't actually do anything?
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That was my original point, also. A man has no right to grab a woman's breast or press her against a wall and force her to do anything. But the pansiness of this generation has gotten out of control with all the allegations of NOTHING other than perceived transgressions.

In little league baseball, my coach would pat you on the butt after a base hit. Now, holy crap. It'd be child molestation.

The people these days don't have that many problems to speak of. There's not much hunger. Everyone has X-Box and big, shiny wheels, and they don't NEED anything. So they make up drama as a pastime.
 
Brewdog said:
That was my original point, also. A man has no right to grab a woman's breast or press her against a wall and force her to do anything. But the pansiness of this generation has gotten out of control with all the allegations of NOTHING other than perceived transgressions.

In little league baseball, my coach would pat you on the butt after a base hit. Now, holy crap. It'd be child molestation.

The people these days don't have that many problems to speak of. There's not much hunger. Everyone has X-Box and big, shiny wheels, and they don't NEED anything. So they make up drama as a pastime.
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Just look at the first entry on her "list," for God's sakes.

"A friend I was drunkenly rough-housing with at a party kinda/sorta play-humped me for a few fully clothed seconds. I didn't tell him that I didn't like it, and it didn't go any further than that."

Ummm... Seriously? That's worth complaining about over the internet? :screwy
 
Gathomas88 said:
Just look at the first entry on her "list," for God's sakes.

"A friend I was drunkenly rough-housing with at a party kinda/sorta play-humped me for a few fully clothed seconds. I didn't tell him that I didn't like it, and it didn't go any further than that."

Ummm... Seriously? That's worth complaining about over the internet? :screwy
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I'm sure she's forever scarred for life. If this is criminal activity, then don't ever go to a club.

And she said she was "rough-housing"? That's akin to sexual flirting in anyone's book.
 
Brewdog said:
That was my original point, also. A man has no right to grab a woman's breast or press her against a wall and force her to do anything. But the pansiness of this generation has gotten out of control with all the allegations of NOTHING other than perceived transgressions.

In little league baseball, my coach would pat you on the butt after a base hit. Now, holy crap. It'd be child molestation.

The people these days don't have that many problems to speak of. There's not much hunger. Everyone has X-Box and big, shiny wheels, and they don't NEED anything. So they make up drama as a pastime.
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I played Little League too, and none of my coaches ever touched my ass. And yeah, I had plenty of hits.
 
Kobie said:
I played Little League too, and none of my coaches ever touched my ass. And yeah, I had plenty of hits.
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Perhaps you weren't as sexy as I was.
 
I see we have another entry in the "Gathomas' issues with women" portfolio.
 
Gathomas88 said:
If you're providing an account of an actual assault, rape, or instance of molestation, for the purposes of teaching other women what to avoid, or as a sort of "survivor's therapy," that's one thing. Again, however, nothing actually happened to this girl, and she's not really telling us anything other than that some guys are creepy, and hit on her a couple of times.

What's the point? Just an excuse to wax all moralistic and "broad-brush" gender judgemental for a few pages?



Okay. And?

No one with any sense disagrees with that. Those that do are waaaay too far gone to be reached by a simple blog post.

What, exactly, are you and this author suggesting that "we the people" do about creepy middle aged men who drunkenly hit on young girls once, but don't actually do anything?

*Bear in mind, when this creep actually did do something, his ass was promptly thrown in jail.*
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The point is to say it's not okay. It's to say to other girls and women, it's not ok that you experienced what you have. None of it's ok. Girls and women should not put up with men behaving like like this because I'm pretty sure most do, without saying anything. She should have spoken up about the guy standing over her bed rather than sleeping under her dad's desk.

It's men who do this to women, how is speaking up not going to feel like a "broad brush" to you?

What do "we the people do"? We learn that if we are ever compelled to behave like this, we don't. It's not okay. But a man like Trump is sending out the message that just kissing and grabbing women by the genitals is funny. So maybe it is ok?

Lastly, we thank all the gods that he didn't do anything. Would that make you feel more empathetic? If he had done something?
 
Here's another example of where I could have been ridiculous but wasn't. I had a government boss a few years back that I respected very much. Sometimes on the way out of a meeting with him, he'd say, "Oh, and one more thing... I love you." And I would just laugh and laugh, because this guy was a retired navy chief, married with children and nothing weird or creepy about him. He was just being silly. So, I'd say, "I love you, too, George." But it made my day because it was funny.

BUT, if he did that with the wrong employee, oh man... But I'm ex-military and he knew I could take a joke.
 
Gina said:
What do "we the people do"? We learn that if we are ever compelled to behave like this, we don't. It's not okay. But a man like Trump is sending out the message that just kissing and grabbing women by the genitals is funny. So maybe it is ok?
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I think Trump has possibly been sexually assaulting women for decades and gotten away with it. If so, I'll be the first one to clap when he goes to trial. I think the man is a pig.

None of my comments have been in support of sexual assault. I'm just saying people these days tend to make a mountain out of a molehill. They tend to make up scenarios that don't exist because our schools and universities have been incessantly teaching our young people about all the inappropriate ways to be treated other than saying, "If you go to parties, drunk boys will talk to you and want to kiss you. Just stop talking to him and walk away if you don't like him and stop egging him on."

Females in the USA aren't as innocent as they want everyone to think. They can many times be more cold, calculating and heartless than any man.
 
Gina said:
The point is to say it's not okay.
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Pretty much no one disagrees.

It's to say to other girls and women, it's not ok that you experienced what you have. None of it's ok. Girls and women should not put up with men behaving like like this because I'm pretty sure most do, without saying anything. She should have spoken up about the guy standing over her bed rather than sleeping under her dad's desk.

It's men who do this to women, how is speaking up not going to feel like a "broad brush" to you?
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If the article's language and message were aimed at girls and women, telling them how to effectively respond to unwanted advances from potentially dangerous men (like, for example, telling your freaking father when a G.D. leering pedophile barges into your room unnanounced, regardless of what it does to 'the party' downstairs), I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, that's rather clearly not its intent.

It generalizes and basically tries to imply that all men share blame for the actions of a small minority of creeps. It does so in an extremely heavy-handed and moralistic manner. What's more beyond even that, it's basically made in such a way as to deliberately encourage being "put on blast" over social media, so as to mass inundate people with its message, and allow certain kinds of people to flaunt their self-proclaimed "virtue" in doing so.

I'm sorry, but that's just obnoxious on multiple different levels.

What do "we the people do"? We learn that if we are ever compelled to behave like this, we don't.
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Again, the vast majority of men already know this. Those that don't generally have something wrong with them, so they're not going to be dissuaded by an internet blog post anyway.

It's not okay. But a man like Trump is sending out the message that just kissing and grabbing women by the genitals is funny. So maybe it is ok?
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First off, we have no idea what Trump did or did not do. All we know is that he made some hyperbolic statements in a private conversation once.

Secondly, even if he did do such a thing, Trump (or Bill Clinton, for that matter) is hardly representative of the behavior of most men.
 
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Kobie said:
I see we have another entry in the "Gathomas' issues with women" portfolio.
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When any man reaches middle age, he's likely going to have some issues with women. Any man old enough has been burned horribly at least a few times. And mental torture in a relationship is surely worse than any other.

Middle aged and older women wonder why older men just aren't interested anymore. Well, there you have it. When you were busy playing head games in our 20's, you were shaping us into the attitudes we have today. And I'd personally just rather go drink beer and see the mountains with some of my bros than deal with your sassy American woman attitudes. Go rent a movie and cry into your wine while I'm out with my boys. You're just not of much importance anymore like when I was 20 and put you on a pedestal.
 
Brewdog said:
When any man reaches middle age, he's likely going to have some issues with women. Any man old enough has been burned horribly at least a few times. And mental torture in a relationship is surely worse than any other.

Middle aged and older women wonder why older men just aren't interested anymore. Well, there you have it. When you were busy playing head games in our 20's, you were shaping us into the attitudes we have today. And I'd personally just rather go drink beer and see the mountains with some of my bros than deal with your sassy American woman attitudes. Go rent a movie and cry into your wine while I'm out with my boys. You're just not of much importance anymore like when I was 20 and put you on a pedestal.
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I'm not "Middle Aged," so much as simply "old and cynical before my time." :lol:

In any case, I wouldn't feed the Kobie. He's just trying to derail things.

This thread has nothing to do with "women" as a generalized concept. It concerns the silly political agendas of certain kinds of women (as well as men, for that matter), and the obnoxiously dishonest tactics they come up with to try and foist those agendas on the masses.
 
Gina said:
You know, this is why women don't speak up when they are molested/assaulted/raped. Sorry that they annoy you when they do it online.

Please explain how women telling these stories of being molested/assaulted/raped are idiotic? Or overblown? How in the world are they hypocritical or counter-productive?
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No this crap happens because you women don't put a boot in the offenders balls. Real women don't put up with crap. My mother is a prime example. She is 5'0 and very mild mannered almost all the time. However you do not cross that woman if you would like to continue enjoy life. I have personally watched her cow a 6'6 250lb asshole claiming to be a man. He grew a brain when he realized my mother quite literally was going to remove his head to place on a pike and keep his hide for a pair boots. Kick enough assholes in the nuts they tend not be overt assholes around you. When a man acts like an ass, be the bitch and bite the SOB's head off. There are always going to be assholes in this world it is up to you to know and be ready and able to deal with them.
 
Kobie said:
I played Little League too, and none of my coaches ever touched my ass. And yeah, I had plenty of hits.
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same, i think the purpose of this is for the OP to whine that he doesn't get to do these things to more women without their consent and as for the wishes of the person you replied to....idk but it's creepy as ****
 
Brewdog said:
I think Trump has possibly been sexually assaulting women for decades and gotten away with it. If so, I'll be the first one to clap when he goes to trial. I think the man is a pig.

None of my comments have been in support of sexual assault. I'm just saying people these days tend to make a mountain out of a molehill. They tend to make up scenarios that don't exist because our schools and universities have been incessantly teaching our young people about all the inappropriate ways to be treated other than saying, "If you go to parties, drunk boys will talk to you and want to kiss you. Just stop talking to him and walk away if you don't like him and stop egging him on."

Females in the USA aren't as innocent as they want everyone to think. They can many times be more cold, calculating and heartless than any man.
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I don't think you have been supporting sexual assault. That's not my point at all.

Does cold, calculating and heartless include molestation/assault/rape?

I know there are women who heartlessly play men and it disgusts me. I've borne witness to it. I've wanted to use a 2x4 to bash a dude into reality. It robs a person of their dignity, but not to the extent that physical transgressions do.

And women, more rarely than men, act creepy, sexually abuse and assault or rape men. It does happen and if a man was talking about that, I'd be in solidarity with him. It would be much more difficult to come out and tell people those things happened.
 
Brewdog said:
It's amazing all the victims in this generation. I've had my ass grabbed by women in the workplace or my titty twisted or something inappropriate said to me. I didn't report it and I just sloughed it off. Who cares. Stop being such a sissy victim.
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So therefore, nobody should ever report being sexually assaulted?

They should just stop being "sissy little victims" and get over it?
 
Gina said:
I don't think you have been supporting sexual assault. That's not my point at all.

Does cold, calculating and heartless include molestation/assault/rape?

I know there are women who heartlessly play men and it disgusts me. I've borne witness to it. I've wanted to use a 2x4 to bash a dude into reality. It robs a person of their dignity, but not to the extent that physical transgressions do.

And women, more rarely than men, act creepy, sexually abuse and assault or rape men. It does happen and if a man was talking about that, I'd be in solidarity with him. It would be much more difficult to come out and tell people those things happened.
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Especially since the notion of being taken advantage of is anathema for most men to acknowledge.
 
Gathomas88 said:
I'm not "Middle Aged," so much as simply "old and cynical before my time." :lol:

In any case, I wouldn't feed the Kobie. He's just trying to derail things.

This thread has nothing to do with "women" as a generalized concept. It concerns the silly political agendas of certain kinds of women (as well as men, for that matter), and the obnoxiously dishonest tactics they come up with to try and foist those agendas on the masses.
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Well, screw you very much, guy.

I think most of what you post is pure idiocy. If that is "derailing" your woe-is-me train, report it. Otherwise, shut the **** up.
 
TheGoverness said:
So therefore, nobody should ever report being sexually assaulted?

They should just stop being "sissy little victims" and get over it?
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Maybe just grow a pair. If the guy grabbed your titty or between the thighs, then call the police. If you perceived that he looked at you funny, or he said you were pretty, or if he tried to kiss you and you turned your head away, then perhaps let it the **** go?
 
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