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Batterer male transsexual to serve sentence in women's jail

VanceMack said:
Thats one good thing about this crazy gender bending charade. If I ever get sent to prison, I am almost certain that I would discover that I'm really a woman and shouldnt be sent to prison with a bunch of yucky men.
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Just make sure you can support that claim. Might want to start seeing the therapist now.
 
Henrin said:
Still, they can't send them to places that don't exist. There is no facilities for MTFs or FTMs even if it might be a good idea to have them.
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Okay? And your point? That was a suggestion for what could be done, as in the future, if people are so concerned with MtFs being sent to women's prisons.
 
roguenuke said:
Okay? And your point? That was a suggestion for what could be done, as in the future, if people are so concerned with MtFs being sent to women's prisons.
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Ok, fair enough. It would actually be a good idea in certain situations anyway. Then again, the whole prison system is kind of a mess with how they mix people together, so instead of that solution I think a more universal change is in order.
 
Henrin said:
Ok, fair enough. It would actually be a good idea in certain situations anyway. Then again, the whole prison system is kind of a mess with how they mix people together, so instead of that solution I think a more universal change is in order.
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You do know this is in the UK, right? It is a bit different (although not all that much) from our own.

Here's the info on this prison.

HMP STYAL Prison Regime Info | insidetime & insideinformation

Now I've seen info that this place also houses young offenders as well as female prisoners, but it doesn't say if that is only young female offenders or both.

https://www.justice.gov.uk/contacts/prison-finder/styal
 
Tim the plumber said:
If I ever have to go to jail can I go to the womens jail as I feel that, as a lesbian cruely trapped in a man's body, I will be humiliated and bullied in a male prison. Please.
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No, no, no. Your sexual orientation is not the issue, and, anyway, you are not supposed to engage in sex with other prisoners or guards while in prison. What you will need to say is that you are a laydee with a laydee penis and laydee testicles.
 
roguenuke said:
There is no evidence that MtF prisoners are a bigger risk to female prisoners than other female prisoners are.
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Citation please? Of course, you know that some of the men guilty of some gross crimes like murders (of females), violence (toward females) and rape (of females) also are claiming they are laydees in prison. Presumably, you'd have no problem bunking real women in with those lovelies in a women's prison?

I'd suggest that the emotional problem for real women knowing these creeps are living among them would be bad in itself.
 
roguenuke said:
You do know this is in the UK, right? It is a bit different (although not all that much) from our own....
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Funny you should mention this. This doozie of a laydee announced last week on Facebook to his many friends that he was going off to begin a University course!! LOL So I'm not sure if he's deluded or he's just got the deception thing down pretty good.


Omfg I start university tomorrow and I am ****ting myself but so immensely excited at the same time! Got my clothes ready and I have definitely got my acting brain on... New start, New Friends and New life and i have a whole lot of money going into my account in the next coming weeks which is also exciting as i have never had grands in my account before. I have just filled all my driving license form out and then I'm starting my crash course this month, which means i will be on the road in the next 3 months or so. I actually thought at one point in my life that GOD hated me for putting me through such a ****ty time... Well now my friends, things are finally ****ing looking up for me. This year is going to be such a success and now GOD is on my side! ;)
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I wonder if he'll have internet access at "University" to update his FB (as well as real life) status. His friends were all "oh, wonderful" until someone was all like WUT, it says in the paper you were sent down. Hahaha. People are weird about reality that way.

Edit: On one of his enlightened social media posts he talks of going to a party where there were some "Polish" men (just didn't understand their English, I think) he'd never met before and he took one in the bathroom and banged him. Or allowed himself to be banged by him. I'm not exactly up on the proper slang.
 
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Jane said:
Rehabilitative benefits for whom? Less punitive for whom? As a female, I can just imagine how I would feel being forced to bunk with a violent biological male against my will in a locked cell for a year. It would be absurd, humiliating, demeaning and potentially dangerous for any woman. Someone who can impregnate females shouldn't be locked in cells with them. do you think?
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I think they would have thought about these things before sentencing since they are so obvious.

I also think that the needs of a trans inmate being put in the proper institution would outweigh your embarrassment. :shrug:
 
Northern Light said:
I think they would have thought about these things before sentencing since they are so obvious.

I also think that the needs of a trans inmate being put in the proper institution would outweigh your embarrassment. :shrug:
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Again, the "needs" of any inmate - including male murderers and rapists of females - can be met in the facility that matches their biological sex. Not a difficult concept to understand. I doubt female prisoners consider it just an "embarrassment" to be locked in a cell with biological males for the term of their sentences.
 
Jane said:
Again, the "needs" of any inmate - including male murderers and rapists of females - can be met in the facility that matches their biological sex. Not a difficult concept to understand. I doubt female prisoners consider it just an "embarrassment" to be locked in a cell with biological males for the term of their sentences.
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Obviously the judge disagrees and believes gender identity is more important than sex. I actually agree with the judge. If experts agree that the convicted is trans female then they're effectively putting a woman away, not a man.

Let's just cut through the non-sense, shall we? Some people believe the convicted is really a man because they don't believe trans is a thing. Well too bad, that's not reality in this case. It might be the case in a lot of places but not in the UK.

Also? Everything I've read about putting trans people in the wrong prison tends to lead to a lot more rape and violence. Men who are situationally bisexual due to being in prison tend to actively go after trans women that get housed with them.

If you have some evidence that pre-op trans women are a sexual threat to other female prisoners, please present it. I'm not aware of any rape cases to date.
 
Jane said:
Citation please? Of course, you know that some of the men guilty of some gross crimes like murders (of females), violence (toward females) and rape (of females) also are claiming they are laydees in prison. Presumably, you'd have no problem bunking real women in with those lovelies in a women's prison?

I'd suggest that the emotional problem for real women knowing these creeps are living among them would be bad in itself.
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Have I not said that these things should be on a case by case basis? Circumstances should be considered as to who would be at the greater risk? Individuals should be judged on where they go based on their behavior and level of risk as well as any danger they face, as is done with cops who go to prison or even when deciding whether someone should go to a maximum or minimum security prison. Hell some people when given jail time are allowed to go home during the week to work and come back to do their time in jail only on weekends based on the circumstances of their case.


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Jane said:
Funny you should mention this. This doozie of a laydee announced last week on Facebook to his many friends that he was going off to begin a University course!! LOL So I'm not sure if he's deluded or he's just got the deception thing down pretty good.

I wonder if he'll have internet access at "University" to update his FB (as well as real life) status. His friends were all "oh, wonderful" until someone was all like WUT, it says in the paper you were sent down. Hahaha. People are weird about reality that way.

Edit: On one of his enlightened social media posts he talks of going to a party where there were some "Polish" men (just didn't understand their English, I think) he'd never met before and he took one in the bathroom and banged him. Or allowed himself to be banged by him. I'm not exactly up on the proper slang.
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Actually this particular prison has paths available to getting women degrees while in prison.

And many people are ashamed to go to prison and lie about where they are going, including saying they are going to college or going out of the country. How many cisgender women in prison do you suppose lied about where they'd be for their sentence?


Won't even get into the fact that you have provided no evidence that she made that post.

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Jane said:
Citation please? Of course, you know that some of the men guilty of some gross crimes like murders (of females), violence (toward females) and rape (of females) also are claiming they are laydees in prison. Presumably, you'd have no problem bunking real women in with those lovelies in a women's prison?

I'd suggest that the emotional problem for real women knowing these creeps are living among them would be bad in itself.
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From what I read, it seems this place has single occupancy cells or dormitory accommodations. Ever watch orange is the new black? Not exactly locked in a cell there. And the pics of this place give examples of single person cells.

But let us not ruin your preconceived notions on how all prisons must be.


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roguenuke said:
From what I read, it seems this place has single occupancy cells or dormitory accommodations. Ever watch orange is the new black? Not exactly locked in a cell there. And the pics of this place give examples of single person cells.

But let us not ruin your preconceived notions on how all prisons must be.


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We understand all too well. You are perfectly OK with males who were convicted of assaulting women being locked up in women's prisons. Of course, you only accept it if said males self-identify as women.
 
SIAP. Has anyone considered that women inmates may not respect the transgenderism of the prisoner and rape her? Or will she be in solitary the whole time?
 
calamity said:
We understand all too well. You are perfectly OK with males who were convicted of assaulting women being locked up in women's prisons. Of course, you only accept it if said males self-identify as women.
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Actually that depends on the circumstances. Who a person assaulted, why, and history are part of those circumstances. I've said that if a person isnt fully transitioned, then a better option might be to separate them, into a separate facility. Until we have such options, it will work as we are seeing it.


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cabse5 said:
SIAP. Has anyone considered that women inmates may not respect the transgenderism of the prisoner and rape her? Or will she be in solitary the whole time?
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And that would be different than women raping cisgender women how?


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roguenuke said:
And that would be different than women raping cisgender women how?


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Just referring to the title of this thread that authorities think she would have a 'safer' time if authorities jailed her with other female inmates... Might get her over her aggressive, batterer stances or make them worse.

Please don't suggest there needs to be a separate jail for female, transgender prisoners. What are the odds of a female transgendered person? Five-in-one-million (.0005, since the odds of a transgendered person are .001)?
 
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cabse5 said:
Just referring to the title of this thread that authorities think she would have a 'safer' time if authorities jailed her with other female inmates... Might get her over her aggressive, batterer stances or make them worse.

Please don't suggest there needs to be a separate jail for female, transgender prisoners. What are the odds of a female transgendered person? Five-in-one-million (.0005, since the odds of a transgendered person are .001)?
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You need to recheck your info.


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cabse5 said:
Please don't suggest there needs to be a separate jail for female, transgender prisoners. What are the odds of a female transgendered person? Five-in-one-million (.0005, since the odds of a transgendered person are .001)?
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Stop making sense!

But seriously, you'd be surprised how many men in men's prison's are suddenly i-dentifying as laydees. Texas alone has had a big surge in numbers in the past couple of years. Can't blame 'em if there's a chance the next step in the magical process is then getting themselves transferred into the women's facilities.
 
Jane said:
Stop making sense!

But seriously, you'd be surprised how many men in men's prison's are suddenly i-dentifying as laydees. Texas alone has had a big surge in numbers in the past couple of years. Can't blame 'em if there's a chance the next step in the magical process is then getting themselves transferred into the women's facilities.
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That's not the same thing as being identifiably trans. You're conflating issues. There are situational reasons why some men take on more feminine personas in male prisons. They are usually cis-men who are cross dressing, whether gay or straight. Sometimes it gains them favor with other inmates and protects them from violence. That of course is irrelevant to sentencing a trans person.

I'd also love to read more about where you heard the part in bold. Source?
 
Jane said:
...But seriously, you'd be surprised how many men in men's prison's are suddenly i-dentifying as laydees. Texas alone has had a big surge in numbers in the past couple of years. Can't blame 'em if there's a chance the next step in the magical process is then getting themselves transferred into the women's facilities.
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Northern Light said:
That's not the same thing as being identifiably trans. You're conflating issues. There are situational reasons why some men take on more feminine personas in male prisons. They are usually cis-men who are cross dressing, whether gay or straight. Sometimes it gains them favor with other inmates and protects them from violence. That of course is irrelevant to sentencing a trans person.
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Since there is no legal definition of any such person or condition, a "trans person" is whatever a "trans" person claims they are. But what's "irrelevant" to real females confined in prisons isn't how these male people i-dentify. It's that they have penises and testicles. And the laydee penises work as a delivery system for those pesky little sperms. Women understand this. Why don't you?

Northern Light said:
I'd also love to read more about where you heard the part in bold. Source?
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Let me google that for you
 
Jane said:
Since there is no legal definition of any such person or condition, a "trans person" is whatever a "trans" person claims they are. But what's "irrelevant" to real females confined in prisons isn't how these male people i-dentify. It's that they have penises and testicles. And the laydee penises work as a delivery system for those pesky little sperms. Women understand this. Why don't you?
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There are medical definitions, and those are what are used by the courts and social systems at present. It doesn't need legal defining to have a basis in sentencing appointments.

I'm glad to see you've decided to stop hiding behind the law and just come out and say that you don't believe trans people are real. Now I can finally inform you that your opinion about "real" men and women are, is not only ignorant, it's simply irrelevant to where a trans woman gets assigned in this case -- obviously.

Jane said:
Let me google that for you
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Thanks for the info. I hope the real trans cases can be sorted and sent to the proper detention centers.
 
Jane said:
Since there is no legal definition of any such person or condition, a "trans person" is whatever a "trans" person claims they are. But what's "irrelevant" to real females confined in prisons isn't how these male people i-dentify. It's that they have penises and testicles. And the laydee penises work as a delivery system for those pesky little sperms. Women understand this. Why don't you?




Let me google that for you
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And if the person didn't have sperm? Has a vasectomy in anticipation of having the surgery? Plus, what about an intersexed person who commits a crime, who identifies as female but has a penis and tested, as you love to point out some transgender still have? Should they also be put into male prisons just because of that? Yes I know, medical rarity. But the same could and has been said about being trans.



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Northern Light said:
There are medical definitions, and those are what are used by the courts and social systems at present. It doesn't need legal defining to have a basis in sentencing appointments.

I'm glad to see you've decided to stop hiding behind the law and just come out and say that you don't believe trans people are real. Now I can finally inform you that your opinion about "real" men and women are, is not only ignorant, it's simply irrelevant to where a trans woman gets assigned in this case -- obviously.

Thanks for the info. I hope the real trans cases can be sorted and sent to the proper detention centers.
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The criteria appears to be how much you could 'fancy' one before knowing that they are trans.

Of course, once you do know that they are trans then they are fair game for misandry and being assaulted.

That's the best that they've some up with so far.
 
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