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I don't think anybody raises their boys to be creepy. Boys just are creepier than girls.

Then they need to raise them not to be creepy. Just as we raise them not to do lots of things they want to do, just as we raise girls to not do lots of things they want to do. Does it always work? No, but as a whole it becomes effective for most.
 
Then they need to raise them not to be creepy. Just as we raise them not to do lots of things they want to do, just as we raise girls to not do lots of things they want to do. Does it always work? No, but as a whole it becomes effective for most.

Best of luck raising your boys.
 
Only assholes still stand when confronted with a toilet instead of a urinal. It's so inconsiderate for other bathroom users and those that have to clean the walls, the outside of the tub (in a home environment), etc. I assure a transgender female is trying to get away from that type of machismo and will be sitting.

Well, I'd raise the seat for you but just because you're so charming.
 
Only assholes still stand when confronted with a toilet instead of a urinal. It's so inconsiderate for other bathroom users and those that have to clean the walls, the outside of the tub (in a home environment), etc. I assure a transgender female is trying to get away from that type of machismo and will be sitting.

WHAT? :no:

Men don't typically sit to pee unless they are dropping a load Ma'am.

When confronted with a toilet and no urinal we simply lift the lid...and hopefully put it back down when we are done. ;)
 
Best of luck raising your boys.

My ex-husband cleaned the student union at UofI as a teen to earn money. He sat because of it, my son sits because his dad told him to, my second husband was 6'4" and he sat out of respect for the fact that at his height if nothing else..... Sorry, only assholes and old men stand at a toilet these days.
 
In the men's forums, you guys are always saying you're being picked on by women. Not all successful force is physical violence.

Yeah? State force is backed by physical violence. Just sayin'.
 
WRONG!

Human males, like every other male half of a bisexual species, have one primary function: to carry around genetic material until they are able to implant it in a female of the species. There is NOTHING creepy about acting the way any male in nature is supposed to.

The prime difference between Human males and the vast majority of males of other species is that we have the most complex sexual mating process on the planet. One of the disadvantages of being the most highly developed of intelligent species on this planet.

What's worse is that the Human male has the burden of gaining the interest of Human females; HE has to take the initiative and strut, preen, sweet-talk, display male prowess, in short do all the sexual dances necessary to gain and then maintain the female's interest.

Just because a female does not find that particular male of interest does not make his attempts "creepy." More like natural selection at work. :shrug:

In any case, social mores dictate how anyone is supposed to act in a public group setting. Part of this includes proper time and place, which public locker rooms, showers, and restrooms are not (unless someone is filming a porn movie).

No one with a true sense of decency would tolerate seeing a person act inappropriately or in an unwanted manner toward another person, and someone will almost always step up and act to stop such things.



All of the above applies to any situation. However, you are correct in that true transgendered have no more interest in members of the sex they wish to transform into than anyone else born of that sex...unless they are Lesbian, Gay, or bisexual. ;)

Excuse me, but you type this as though there are no examples in nature of the male of the species being inferior gender, or species where the male has to parade and preen and gain the attention of the females, and so on. Please learn about biology.

Secondly, no one here is calling normal male (or female for that matter) sexual interest creepy, we are discussing allowing that to cause a man to dress as a woman in order to enter a bathroom to maybe glimpse women taking their panties up and down. That's creepy.
 
WHAT? :no:

Men don't typically sit to pee unless they are dropping a load Ma'am.

When confronted with a toilet and no urinal we simply lift the lid...and hopefully put it back down when we are done. ;)

Well then at the very least, if you are at someone's home, you're a complete asshole. Why should anyone have to deal with your splash all over the side of the vanity, the tub, the behind and the floor because you can't sit and aim the damn thing down? WHY? Because your male ego is bigger than your respect for whomever cleans your toilets, the toilets at the businesses you pee at, and anyone whose bathroom you are a guest at. Think. Grow up.
 
Yeah? State force is backed by physical violence. Just sayin'.

You complain about more than legalies. Y'll go on incessantly about how manipulative women are. So again, women can be just as dangerous to man's frailties as a man is to a woman's frailties.
 
So I guess a society we've determined that male bodied persons are degenerate assholes who will do anything to cop a look at women pulling up and down their panties. No wonder many men want a sex change.

I have no opinion on the bathroom issue -- I have other things to worry about.

But as humans we must understand that making negative generalizations about men (or any other group -- like Muslims or Immigrants) is evil. Holding men accountable and punishing them for crimes of other men is evil.
 
I have no opinion on the bathroom issue -- I have other things to worry about.

But as humans we must understand that making negative generalizations about men (or any other group -- like Muslims or Immigrants) is evil. Holding men accountable and punishing them for crimes of other men is evil.

I'm not agreeable to terms like good and evil, but I will agree it is unjust to transgender females.
 
You complain about more than legalies. Y'll go on incessantly about how manipulative women are. So again, women can be just as dangerous to man's frailties as a man is to a woman's frailties.

I'm not quite following. What are you talking about exactly?
 
I have no opinion on the bathroom issue -- I have other things to worry about.

But as humans we must understand that making negative generalizations about men (or any other group -- like Muslims or Immigrants) is evil. Holding men accountable and punishing them for crimes of other men is evil.

It's called risk assessment. Men commit something like 96% of sexual assaults.
 
I'm not quite following. What are you talking about exactly?

You're trying to say a man in a men's bathroom could stop the advances of a fake transgendered male, I'm saying that if a woman actually chose to sexually molest a man in a bathroom, she wouldn't be using force as her tactic, and she would still have a chance of success by getting his cooperation, sort of.
 
How sexist the transgender bathroom is being discussed? I mean really, no one is the least concerned about a female bodied transgender male going into a men's bathroom, but many are nearly hysterical of male bodied transgender females using the female bathroom. So I guess a society we've determined that male bodied persons are degenerate assholes who will do anything to cop a look at women pulling up and down their panties. No wonder many men want a sex change.

Hmm.....

LOL, I got a good chuckle out of this.
 
You're trying to say a man in a men's bathroom could stop the advances of a fake transgendered male, I'm saying that if a woman actually chose to sexually molest a man in a bathroom, she wouldn't be using force as her tactic, and she would still have a chance of success by getting his cooperation, sort of.

I have no idea where your claim about me came from. I never spoke towards the advances of fake transgendered males. You also just shifted the goal post by now claiming that the woman wouldn't use force as her tactic.
 
How sexist the transgender bathroom is being discussed? I mean really, no one is the least concerned about a female bodied transgender male going into a men's bathroom, but many are nearly hysterical of male bodied transgender females using the female bathroom. So I guess a society we've determined that male bodied persons are degenerate assholes who will do anything to cop a look at women pulling up and down their panties. No wonder many men want a sex change.

Hmm.....

It's really simply, when a person doesn't actually have a solid and rational argument they have to invent one or extremely exaggerated an idea. The thing is more times that not it never works . . .it's like all muslims are terrorists, gays are child molesters and now this. There hasn't been one valid reason presented to discriminate against transgenders.
 
I'm not agreeable to terms like good and evil, but I will agree it is unjust to transgender females.

Definitely -- it is even a greater injustice against transwomen who are a small minority.
 
It's called risk assessment. Men commit something like 96% of sexual assaults.

Definitely. But discriminating against groups based on statistics is almost never acceptable. It is absolutely unacceptable toward ethnic minorities.

It would have been absolutely unacceptable for the state to supervise every mother for crimes of abusive mothers.
 
I have no idea where your claim about me came from. I never spoke towards the advances of fake transgendered males. You also just shifted the goal post by now claiming that the woman wouldn't use force as her tactic.

It is force, it's seductive force, not physical force. Still the cause of many men and boys having sex they weren't intending on having, or legally or morally "allowed" to have. Just they are more able to get away with it because violence isn't involved. Now, violence isn't always involved when men convince women and girls to have sex they weren't intending on having, or legally or morally "allowed" to have. But it seems that physical coercion is the only kind of coercion being considered. Perhaps it's because men are soooo creepy that being molested by a woman in a bathroom is somehow a good thing.
 
Definitely -- it is even a greater injustice against transwomen who are a small minority.

No one is complaining or worrying about transgender women using men's bathrooms, that's the point of the thread. It's no injustice whatsoever to transwomen using men's bathrooms at all anywhere. Everyone is fine with it.
 
That's not it at all. The very valid concern is that, sexual deviates will exploit this to gain access to women and little girls.

That concern inst valid at all to the level where it justifies discrimination. Sex crimes are still illegal and sex crimes right? So there no new access gained to women . . . and dramatic pause . . little girls. It's nonsensical dishonest fear mongering. Yes there are criminals out there, no that's not a reason to discriminate just like criminals existing doesn't justify taking my gun away.
 
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