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ACLU Director Quits After Daughters’ Bathroom Ordeal[W:53]

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Henrin said:
Bullcrap. Again, you're wrong. Their DNA and development affected their anatomy in ways that can't easily be changed and haven't been changed. Furthermore, again, SRS surgery does not create an organ that operates and is structurally the same as the real thing. So even if I was to use only your reasoning for gender it would fall short of its goal.
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Incorrect. Just because their DNA affected their anatomy doesn't mean that anatomy cannot be altered... and it is. THIS discussion is irrelevant from DNA. DNA has already been addressed. As far as whether or not the organ operates exactly the same as "the real thing" variation happens over the general population, so that line is completely rigid and short sighted.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. Just because their DNA affected their anatomy doesn't mean that anatomy cannot be altered... and it is. THIS discussion is irrelevant from DNA. DNA has already been addressed.
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Sigh. What I said is that the DNA affected their anatomy and those differences are still there. What you just said doesn't at all refute that.

As far as whether or not the organ operates exactly the same as "the real thing" variation happens over the general population, so that line is completely rigid and short sighted.
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No, not really. The differences in the surgically altered area are a consequence of biological differences between the male and female genitalia along with shortcomings of the surgery itself. While some of the internal differences can be found in people with certain genetic conditions they are not found in someone with their genetic make up. Some of them(ignoring the cause here) would in fact be considered medical conditions in women.
 
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Lets stick to the topic please. The issue of transgenders DNA or gender reassignment surgery making the male/female can be discussed in another thread. This particular topic is about the interim director of the ACLU resigning due to what happened in the women's bathroom and her kids.
 
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The ACLU director resigned because the totalitarian government is coming in just a few short months. She left early so she doesn't have to deal with it and she excused herself so no one asks questions. Pretty straightforward if you ask me. It's happening in my state chapter, too. The ACLU is supposed to advocate on behalf of the people in a diverse society, but people are politically polarized.
 
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"Things that never happened for 1,000 Alex."
 
WCH said:
An interim director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), a major proponent of laws protecting gender identity, has resigned after her daughters were frightened by several transgendered men who came into the ladies room they were using at the time.


Although the mainstream media has utterly ignored this story, LifeSiteNews and a few other outlets are reporting on the resignation of Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the ACLU, over the organization’s involvement in the controversial transgender bathroom debate.

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered,” Dillard Smith said.

“My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer,” she continued.

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ACLU Director Quits After Daughters’ Bathroom Ordeal | Women of Grace
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The backlash to this trans in the bathroom thing is just now beginning. As more and more women find 3 men in ladies clothes invading their restroom, you'll start hearing from them. This will not end well.
 
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calamity said:
The backlash to this trans in the bathroom thing is just now beginning. As more and more women find 3 men in ladies clothes invading their restroom, you'll start hearing from them. This will not end well.
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It will eventually go back to basically how it was before, no one will really care and those that do will simply not use public restrooms, something many people currently choose to do because of their own personal discomforts or fears of many things.

We have a group of transgender ladies who come into our store all the time (and they have been for at least the two years I've worked there). They have always used the women's fitting rooms and women's restrooms with no complaints that I've about.
 
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roguenuke said:
It will eventually go back to basically how it was before, no one will really care and those that do will simply not use public restrooms, something many people currently choose to do because of their own personal discomforts or fears of many things.

We have a group of transgender ladies who come into our store all the time (and they have been for at least the two years I've worked there). They have always used the women's fitting rooms and women's restrooms with no complaints that I've about.
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I believe you are right. More people now shop at home. Exercise and swim there as well. I would not be surprised if more also wait to pee until they get home, when out in public.

Of course poor women will just have to do as told and put up with whatever the liberals demand. Price of being poor. Fair enough.
 
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calamity said:
I believe you are right. More people now shop at home. Exercise and swim there as well. I would not be surprised if more also wait to pee until they get home, when out in public.

Of course poor women will just have to do as told and put up with whatever the liberals demand. Price of being poor. Fair enough.
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Most people simply don't and won't care, as they've been doing for decades. This isn't really some new thing that was well enforced with laws and regulations before this. Many places didn't care, especially in the age of litigation where just questioning someone who looks like they might be going into the wrong restroom, but you are wrong, could lead to a lawsuit (which, by the way, despite my position on this, I do not agree with suing over being stopped or "questioned", only for requiring someone prove they are the gender/sex and kicking them out or worse if they can't/don't do so, questioning could simply be the person making sure the one trying to use the restroom is going into the one they actually want to go into and not making a mistake).
 
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roguenuke said:
Most people simply don't and won't care, as they've been doing for decades. This isn't really some new thing that was well enforced with laws and regulations before this. Many places didn't care, especially in the age of litigation where just questioning someone who looks like they might be going into the wrong restroom, but you are wrong, could lead to a lawsuit (which, by the way, despite my position on this, I do not agree with suing over being stopped or "questioned", only for requiring someone prove they are the gender/sex and kicking them out or worse if they can't/don't do so, questioning could simply be the person making sure the one trying to use the restroom is going into the one they actually want to go into and not making a mistake).
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Most people are ok with post-op trans being in the bathroom, but they are not OK with a guy who still has his dick being in the ladies' room. Which is as it should be.
 
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But how does one determine who has what genitalia? By the way, I'm pretty sure testes are responsible for the deep voices supposedly heard by the interim director and her children.
 
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calamity said:
Most people are ok with post-op trans being in the bathroom, but they are not OK with a guy who still has his dick being in the ladies' room. Which is as it should be.
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They won't see anyone's dick in a public restroom, not a women's room anyway, unless one of them is doing something illegal anyway.
 
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I don't believe for one second that her kids were frightened or concerned for their safety. I think SHE was. I totally believe the part about them having lots of questions, though. Too bad she couldn't figure out a way to do her job as a parent and answer their questions. There are plenty of age apropriate ways to explain transgenderism to children.
 
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Arcana XV said:
I don't believe for one second that her kids were frightened or concerned for their safety. I think SHE was. I totally believe the part about them having lots of questions, though. Too bad she couldn't figure out a way to do her job as a parent and answer their questions. There are plenty of age apropriate ways to explain transgenderism to children.
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Why should parents have to explain them? Maybe that's the whole reason behind the complaints.
 
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I don't think this is a transgender issue either. Sometimes ladies don't want to be put on the spot when they're in a position of authority.

I can only imagine what along the lines of "is nothing sacred?" was going through her head at the time when she realized that she couldn't cut it at the ACLU.
 
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Henrin said:
No one has a right to use the bathroom of their choice. I'm sorry, but if my children ask me about the law I will make this point very clear to them. The only thing I will say about it is that the law doesn't care about their opinion and their concerns won't be respected. The only people the law cares about is boys that want to play pretend, not real girls that might be uncomfortable changing around a boy they have known since they were five.

As for explaining the governments position, no, I will not do that. If the government wants to explain their side of the story, let them, but I will challenge their crap if I ever hear it come out of my child's mouth.
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What will you do if one or more of your children are transgender?
 
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calamity said:
Why should parents have to explain them? Maybe that's the whole reason behind the complaints.
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Because people do not have to live their lives around how others think they should look, act, or be just because some find it hard to talk about those things with their children, like a good parent.
 
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calamity said:
Why should parents have to explain them? Maybe that's the whole reason behind the complaints.
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Because it's their job as parents to answer their children's effing questions, that's why. What the hell is wrong with people? Do they really think that their kids are supposed to go through life in a freaking pink bubble filled with unicorns and rainbows? Children will witness all kinds of things they won't necessarily make sense of right away and it's a parent's job to explain these things. Whether it's a transgender person, a pregnant lady, a gay couple, a severely disabled person, a dead pet or the passing of a relative, anything can freak kids out or make them ask questions. You're (general you, nothing personal) the parent, quit being a sissy and answer those questions.
 
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roguenuke said:
Because people do not have to live their lives around how others think they should look, act, or be just because some find it hard to talk about those things with their children, like a good parent.
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Really? And, I imagine you probably have a script that you want them to say as well. Surely, if the parent simply said to the child, "That man has issues." You would not be happy. Would you?
 
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Arcana XV said:
Because it's their job as parents to answer their children's effing questions, that's why. What the hell is wrong with people? Do they really think that their kids are supposed to go through life in a freaking pink bubble filled with unicorns and rainbows? Children will witness all kinds of things they won't necessarily make sense of right away and it's a parent's job to explain these things. Whether it's a transgender person, a pregnant lady, a gay couple, a severely disabled person, a dead pet or the passing of a relative, anything can freak kids out or make them ask questions. You're (general you, nothing personal) the parent, quit being a sissy and answer those questions.
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Oh, I'd answer the kid's questions alright. I'd tell her that person is a bit unhinged, and she should stay the hell away from him. I'd also recommend she may consider waiting to pee until she got home.
 
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calamity said:
Oh, I'd answer the kid's questions alright. I'd tell her that that person is a freak, and she should stay the hell away from him. I'd also recommend she may consider waiting to pee until she got home.
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It's your party, dude. As long as you do your job and answer your kids questions. Whatever flavor of brainwashing you choose, that's your problem. As long as you don't turn them into violent little ****s, that's all the rest of us can hope for.
 
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Arcana XV said:
It's your party, dude. As long as you do your job and answer your kids questions. Whatever flavor of brainwashing you choose, that's your problem. As long as you don't turn them into violent little ****s, that's all the rest of us can hope for.
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I edited "freak" out of my op. It was a poor choice of words, and replaced it with "unhinged."

I believe a parent has every right in the world to protect their child. So, yes, warning them to stay away from someone who is probably mentally unstable is apt. I would not encourage them to hate that person, just be weary of them as they should be of any stranger. I certainly would not sell them on a fantasy that the trans woman is perfectly harmless and should be trusted more than any other man seen in a ladies' restroom.
 
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calamity said:
I edited "freak" out of my op. It was a poor choice of words, and replaced it with "unhinged."

I believe a parent has every right in the world to protect their child. So, yes, warning them to stay away from someone who is probably mentally unstable is apt. I would not encourage them to hate that person, just be weary of them as they should be of any stranger. I certainly would not sell them on a fantasy that the trans woman is perfectly harmless and should be trusted more than any other man seen in a ladies' restroom.
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Personally, I really don't think that children should ever go to public bathrooms on their own anyway. I wouldn't trust any stranger, woman, man, trans, gay or straight alone in a public bathroom with my kid. :shrug:
 
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Arcana XV said:
Personally, I really don't think that children should ever go to public bathrooms on their own anyway. I wouldn't trust any stranger, woman, man, trans, gay or straight alone in a public bathroom with my kid. :shrug:
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Sensible.
 
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calamity said:
Really? And, I imagine you probably have a script that you want them to say as well. Surely, if the parent simply said to the child, "That man has issues." You would not be happy. Would you?
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They are free to tell that child that. I don't have to be happy about what people teach their children to believe it is still their responsibility to teach them. This woman instead complains about having to teach them anything, even if something that those of us fighting for transgender rights wouldn't approve of. It is no different than someone saying "what do I tell my son/daughter when he/she asks why those two men are holding hands". That is for them to figure out even if it is "those two men are disgusting and should be charged with a crime". Even if I consider such a sentiment to be completely wrong, it is still their responsibility to explain to their children what is going on, even if in their words, rather than a legitimate excuse to have laws forbidding something or to try to stop something from happening.
 
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