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How do humans naturally reproduce?

eohrnberger said:
Hey Lutherf. You're wrong there. Blow Jobs, works every time. :mrgreen:
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Dude if you think that's how you get pregnant you need a refresher. Either that or you're actually a girl named Natalie that I knew in 10th grade.
 
Lovebug said:
Thus far, I haven't really understood the purpose of your OP. Perhaps you could redefine it some more? Most of your references are a bit obscure. Sorry.
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I think it's so clear in the OP that the window which frames the use of the two body parts I listed also includes insemination, however it maybe less clear about sex and reproduction. Still, focusing on insemination is a small part which is necessary to reproduce. There are two comparable parts human beings use in a heterosexual relationship during this short period of time. I believe delivery of reproductive material ends in the uterus, where insemination takes place.

Sperm is sent through the Vas Deferens in order to reach the egg in the uterus. Likewise, an egg or eggs are sent through the fallopian tube to the uterus in order to achieve insemination. I wonder if it can be a defined endpoint of intercourse, when the egg attaches to the uterine wall in the woman's body. I'm a little bit hazy on the details that follow.
 
Gaius46 said:
Dude if you think that's how you get pregnant you need a refresher. Either that or you're actually a girl named Natalie that I knew in 10th grade.
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In response to 'how does a female attract a male', which was somewhere in this thread.
 
Celebrity said:
I think it's so clear in the OP that the window which frames the use of the two body parts I listed also includes insemination, however it maybe less clear about sex and reproduction. Still, focusing on insemination is a small part which is necessary to reproduce. There are two comparable parts human beings use in a heterosexual relationship during this short period of time. I believe delivery of reproductive material ends in the uterus, where insemination takes place.

Sperm is sent through the Vas Deferens in order to reach the egg in the uterus. Likewise, an egg or eggs are sent through the fallopian tube to the uterus in order to achieve insemination. I wonder if it can be a defined endpoint of intercourse, when the egg attaches to the uterine wall in the woman's body. I'm a little bit hazy on the details that follow.
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Ok, so you are talking time of ovulation, during which intercourse is most productive.
During intercourse, at one point or another, one of both partners climax, also called an orgasm, which, for the man, expels sperm into the vagina.
So that is the usual chain of events, also called lots of fun. Fun can also be had separately. Guys can masturbate, and expel sperm to be harvested and used to fertilize a woman's eggs at perfect timing.

Now on this part I am still a bit fuzzy.
I believe delivery of reproductive material ends in the uterus, where insemination takes place.
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Sperm isn't delivered into the uterus during orgasm, if that's what you are thinking. Sperm has to cooperate and do a bit of a marathon to read the egg, one of the fastest ones penetrating the egg wall, fertilizing the egg. This occurs in the fallopian tubes. The fertilized egg embeds in the uterus. If not, it is flushed.
So endpoint of intercourse is one of the two...orgasm or coitus interruptus...lol.
End of process is fertilized egg embedding in utero.
I am sure you have heard of google. Wealth of information to be found there.
 
Celebrity said:
I guess you're right that there are some women who are barren and some women who may otherwise lack a healthy uterus who do not believe they will become pregnant. This thread is not meant to discriminate against people who cannot reproduce, but to show that those who do are capable of using well defined biological mechanisms. We know much about human biology. I am not a biologist, so I started this thread to share what I know from experience.

I don't see why we can't have a discussion about this as adults without crude humor or pornographic references. It seems I overestimated the candor of this sub-forum.
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Because you haven't explained why any of this is relevant to a political forum. We all know how procreation works. Is there some fact you think is in question, or contested, or controversial? "You need a uterus to reproduce" isn't news.
 
Lovebug said:
Ok, so you are talking time of ovulation, during which intercourse is most productive.
During intercourse, at one point or another, one of both partners climax, also called an orgasm, which, for the man, expels sperm into the vagina.
So that is the usual chain of events, also called lots of fun. Fun can also be had separately. Guys can masturbate, and expel sperm to be harvested and used to fertilize a woman's eggs at perfect timing.

Now on this part I am still a bit fuzzy.

Sperm isn't delivered into the uterus during orgasm, if that's what you are thinking. Sperm has to cooperate and do a bit of a marathon to read the egg, one of the fastest ones penetrating the egg wall, fertilizing the egg. This occurs in the fallopian tubes. The fertilized egg embeds in the uterus. If not, it is flushed.
So endpoint of intercourse is one of the two...orgasm or coitus interruptus...lol.
End of process is fertilized egg embedding in utero.
I am sure you have heard of google. Wealth of information to be found there.
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Yeah, I agree that Google has a lot of information available through search. I apologize if I was ignorant of female bodily functions.

Some contributors on this forum seem to think that intercourse extends beyond a conscious effort to participate in a sexual act. So while women may have prior knowledge of what a vagina or a uterus feels like, men do not. Likewise, men have prior knowledge of what a penis feels like, women do not. I don't think anyone really fully understands pregnancy until it happens to them. We can imagine what the consequences of our actions would be. For people who have unexpected pregnancies, this can mean unintended consequences.

So we have Google. Do many people who reproduce look into reproduction beyond what they learned in sex education? As you pointed out, this can be fun and that is motive enough to do something when there is no perceived risk. I think unintentional reproduction is for the most part due to lack of communication. Should we be responsible for communicating our intent to biologically reproduce with our sexual partners? I think it's important to be open about it.
 
Celebrity said:
I mentioned that this is about sex and noted how it runs parallel to other threads. General comment about the thread in this regard: In which thread is healthcare a question of life or death? I'm getting tired of seeing posts about women dying in childbirth in /Abortion/.
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yeah, I'm sure it doesnt bother those women at all to die in childbirth, nor matter at all to their husbands, boyfriends, children, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, etc etc etc.

Thing is, remaining pregnant or not is an individual decision and the consequences of that decision will be paid physically by only ONE person. So to presume to take that decision out of the individual's hands is something our govt is not legally entitled to do, nor do the majority of Americans agree with doing so.

While the number may seem 'insignificant' to you and be tiresome to hear about, that 'consequence' means EVERYTHING to that woman and her family/friends. So it does 'matter', even if not to you.
 
Deuce said:
Because you haven't explained why any of this is relevant to a political forum. We all know how procreation works. Is there some fact you think is in question, or contested, or controversial? "You need a uterus to reproduce" isn't news.
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Reproduction can become very political within family structures. What I'm saying is that families which reproduce must have a family member who has a uterus. So what motivates a woman or a man to reproduce? The circumstances surrounding different reproductive events varies by the individual. Why is sex taboo, and is the intent to reproduce sufficient to explain an unintended pregnancy?

We are living in an age where people are becoming more and more aware of how to improve fertility, yet reproduction still happens by chance. Do we take reproduction for granted, or is it a choice?
 
Celebrity said:
Reproduction can become very political within family structures. What I'm saying is that families which reproduce must have a family member who has a uterus. So what motivates a woman or a man to reproduce? The circumstances surrounding different reproductive events varies by the individual. Why is sex taboo, and is the intent to reproduce sufficient to explain an unintended pregnancy?

We are living in an age where people are becoming more and more aware of how to improve fertility, yet reproduction still happens by chance. Do we take reproduction for granted, or is it a choice?
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Try reading some Richard Dawkins, Desmond Morris (his early work before he got commercial), Matt Ridley. They can all explain it very nicely for you.

It's not like this all hasnt been solidly researched and published. And updated. Would you like a reading list?
 
Lursa said:
Try reading some Richard Dawkins, Desmond Morris (his early work before he got commercial), Matt Ridley. They can all explain it very nicely for you.

It's not like this all hasnt been solidly researched and published. And updated. Would you like a reading list?
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No, thanks. Actually, I'm putting Real Analysis on hold. For some reason I've become interested in the debunking of the movement of light through ether in the early 20th century and electromagnetism.

Many people have not read those authors so I think it's safe to say that many people don't know what they're getting themselves into. I'm interested in finding what conclusions have been drawn by people put into reproductive situations who are not the authority on the subject. Do you advocate eugenics, by chance?
 
Celebrity said:
No, thanks. Actually, I'm putting Real Analysis on hold. For some reason I've become interested in the debunking of the movement of light through ether in the early 20th century and electromagnetism.

Many people have not read those authors so I think it's safe to say that many people don't know what they're getting themselves into. I'm interested in finding what conclusions have been drawn by people put into reproductive situations who are not the authority on the subject.
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Are you claiming that people in the US over the age of say, 15, dont understand the results of having sex? Probably not so then you are talking about raising a family (or choosing alternatives to NOT do so), if people are aware of those impacts on their lives?


Celebrity said:
Do you advocate eugenics, by chance?
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No.
 
Lursa said:
yeah, I'm sure it doesnt bother those women at all to die in childbirth, nor matter at all to their husbands, boyfriends, children, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, etc etc etc.

Thing is, remaining pregnant or not is an individual decision and the consequences of that decision will be paid physically by only ONE person. So to presume to take that decision out of the individual's hands is something our govt is not legally entitled to do, nor do the majority of Americans agree with doing so.

While the number may seem 'insignificant' to you and be tiresome to hear about, that 'consequence' means EVERYTHING to that woman and her family/friends. So it does 'matter', even if not to you.
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Your first paragraph argues that death in childbirth affects more than just the mother. Your second paragraph says it only affects the mother.
Just saying...
 
Celebrity said:
Reproduction can become very political within family structures. What I'm saying is that families which reproduce must have a family member who has a uterus. So what motivates a woman or a man to reproduce? The circumstances surrounding different reproductive events varies by the individual. Why is sex taboo, and is the intent to reproduce sufficient to explain an unintended pregnancy?

We are living in an age where people are becoming more and more aware of how to improve fertility, yet reproduction still happens by chance. Do we take reproduction for granted, or is it a choice?
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Reproduction doesn't happen "by chance." The mechanism is quite specific. It is sometimes unintended, but this isn't the same as "by chance."

I don't think anyone has ever heard about a pregnancy and just shrugged their shoulders. It's a big deal to the individuals involved.

Celebrity said:
No, thanks. Actually, I'm putting Real Analysis on hold. For some reason I've become interested in the debunking of the movement of light through ether in the early 20th century and electromagnetism.

Many people have not read those authors so I think it's safe to say that many people don't know what they're getting themselves into. I'm interested in finding what conclusions have been drawn by people put into reproductive situations who are not the authority on the subject. Do you advocate eugenics, by chance?
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Do you advocate genocide?
 
tomkat364 said:
Your first paragraph argues that death in childbirth affects more than just the mother. Your second paragraph says it only affects the mother.
Just saying...
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Not at all. THe 2nd is about who should or should not be influencing/have control over individual decisions. Sorry if I wasnt clear.
 
Lursa said:
Are you claiming that people in the US over the age of say, 15, dont understand the results of having sex? Probably not so then you are talking about raising a family (or choosing alternatives to NOT do so), if people are aware of those impacts on their lives?
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People who are 15 years old are not yet aware of the impact of reproduction in many ways. No laws exist which prevent consensual reproduction at that age.

Despite developmental evidence to the contrary, we hold young people accountable for ad hoc decisions they lack the capacity to make for themselves. This is a distinction between humans who fulfill their biological imperative and humans who are capable of starting and organizing a family within society. Just because we can do one doesn't mean we can do the other, although I think family is the desired result.

Frontal Lobe Structure

Deuce said:
Do you advocate genocide?
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/Abortion/ is that way. Your question has no place in a discussion about reproduction.
 
Celebrity said:
People who are 15 years old are not yet aware of the impact of reproduction in many ways. No laws exist which prevent consensual reproduction at that age.

Despite developmental evidence to the contrary, we hold young people accountable for ad hoc decisions they lack the capacity to make for themselves. This is a distinction between humans who fulfill their biological imperative and humans who are capable of starting and organizing a family within society. Just because we can do one doesn't mean we can do the other, although I think family is the desired result.
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And they are aware of many impacts of reproducing at that age. Some of them are taught in public schools earlier than age 15. And what do the laws have to do with it? Do you think we need such laws?

And yes, they are and should be held accountable. Their parents, community, school (somewhat) are all responsible for informing them. As minors, they are not abandoned when they make any errors of judgement in our society (that I can think of). Just like the raising of many higher animals, there are support systems in place.

Humans act like humans. Supposedly you have researched this, according to your previous post to me. Personally, I do not believe in additional laws to control reproductive behavior. Social, community, religious, parental, etc influences must be applied IMO. And the normal impacts on anyone who makes their own decisions: sometimes paying consequences.
 
Lursa said:
And they are aware of many impacts of reproducing at that age. Some of them are taught in public schools earlier than age 15. And what do the laws have to do with it? Do you think we need such laws?

And yes, they are and should be held accountable. Their parents, community, school (somewhat) are all responsible for informing them. As minors, they are not abandoned when they make any errors of judgement in our society (that I can think of). Just like the raising of many higher animals, there are support systems in place.

Humans act like humans. Supposedly you have researched this, according to your previous post to me. Personally, I do not believe in additional laws to control reproductive behavior. Social, community, religious, parental, etc influences must be applied IMO. And the normal impacts on anyone who makes their own decisions: sometimes paying consequences.
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Ok well, I can see this is becoming about social accountability. Once again, this is a matter of convenience, and I am not arguing that humans should or should not pay a consequence in this thread.

Reproduction is a unique area in which minors and adults may be tried in the same court of law. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see that this law is unprecedented. The social ramifications appear to be aligned with grave offenses on human kind, like minimum sentencing for murder. Whether a judge agrees with it, they and other community members must admit that young people, especially those under the age of 20 engage in sexual behavior without a second thought.
 
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Celebrity said:
Ok well, I can see this is becoming about social accountability. Once again, this is a matter of convenience, and I am not arguing that humans should or should not pay a consequence in this thread.

Reproduction is a unique area in which minors and adults may be tried in the same court of law. I'm not a lawyer, and I can see that this law is unprecedented. The social ramifications appear to be aligned with grave offenses on human kind, like minimum sentencing for murder. Whether a judge agrees with it, they and other community members must admit that young people, especially those under the age of 20 engage in sexual behavior without a second thought.
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I'm not aware that minors and adults are treated the same legally regarding reproduction. I'm sure they can be depending on circumstances but I'm also sure that for the most part, they are not held accountable as adults are.
 
Lursa said:
I'm not aware that minors and adults are treated the same legally regarding reproduction. I'm sure they can be depending on circumstances but I'm also sure that for the most part, they are not held accountable as adults are.
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I just noticed in a previous post (#43) you referred to "errors of judgement." This judgement is at the heart of where you and I disagree.

I guess you are talking about civil responsibility. So yes, the accountability is delayed until they achieve majority age. They are held accountable as adults for actions they took as minors.
 
Celebrity said:
I just noticed in a previous post (#43) you referred to "errors of judgement." This judgement is at the heart of where you and I disagree.

I guess you are talking about civil responsibility. So yes, the accountability is delayed until they achieve majority age. They are held accountable as adults for actions they took as minors.
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Please be specific. Esp. re: the bold.

And also how you would propose we change this in the US. Again, please provide specifics.
 
Lursa said:
Please be specific. Esp. re: the bold.

And also how you would propose we change this in the US. Again, please provide specifics.
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I've shown you how the community is failing minors who achieve the age of majority after reproducing. At the time majority age is reached, youth have not achieved any earnings as adults, yet they are expected to act as adults, specifically financially and/or socially.

I don't know how to change this because I have learned from the people who implemented the systems responsible for past cases. I have read that teen birth rates are down. The smoking age is 21 in California. That doesn't mean that nicotine addicts who are 20 years old will stop smoking, as the new law is phased in. Similarly, reproductive freedom should be adjusted gradually by conscious effort without controlling or eugenics.

The fact that this is such a touchy subject means that you will not find instantaneous awakenings of people who suddenly decide on a range of dates in the future to conceive. When you're 18 you don't know what you will be doing at age 36. Ironically, a lack of decision making skills leading to a pregnancy causes a comparable lack of autonomy (free self decision). Having a child limits your activities, even if it opens new opportunities.

So in short, are you asking me how to change a limiting factor of young people who partake in the responsibilities of parenting?

What do you not understand about the part in bold? It seems like you are looking for something in particular and I am open to suggestions. However, if you review the links I provided I think you will find it answers your question.

Automatic Emancipation of Minors - FindLaw
 
Celebrity said:
I've shown you how the community is failing minors who achieve the age of majority after reproducing. At the time majority age is reached, youth have not achieved any earnings as adults, yet they are expected to act as adults, specifically financially and/or socially.

I don't know how to change this because I have learned from the people who implemented the systems responsible for past cases. I have read that teen birth rates are down. The smoking age is 21 in California. That doesn't mean that nicotine addicts who are 20 years old will stop smoking, as the new law is phased in. Similarly, reproductive freedom should be adjusted gradually by conscious effort without controlling or eugenics.

The fact that this is such a touchy subject means that you will not find instantaneous awakenings of people who suddenly decide on a range of dates in the future to conceive. When you're 18 you don't know what you will be doing at age 36. Ironically, a lack of decision making skills leading to a pregnancy causes a comparable lack of autonomy (free self decision). Having a child limits your activities, even if it opens new opportunities.

So in short, are you asking me how to change a limiting factor of young people who partake in the responsibilities of parenting?

What do you not understand about the part in bold? It seems like you are looking for something in particular and I am open to suggestions. However, if you review the links I provided I think you will find it answers your question.

Automatic Emancipation of Minors - FindLaw
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Honestly, I am not interested in this subject. It's not really what I expected from the post title.

So I'll just step aside and let you discuss with others more on the same page.
 
Cloning. Moses told some French guy this when the guy came across his space ship one night. Moses the alien said were doing it wrong and should be cloning ourselves, not mating.


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