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Prince--Gay, Straight or Who Cares?

TheGoverness said:
The fact is that at the end of the day, there is absolutely no evidence that a person's sexuality can be changed and even when it is "changed" (as in the outward appearance and the inward fear of being true to him/herself), it's usually done with great harm to the person's mental state.

Homosexuality has already been proven to be an innate part of someone's biological makeup. One cannot choose to "stop" being gay, anymore than one can choose to "stop" being white, or black or having blue eyes for that matter. I can go tanning and get very very dark, and I can put brown contacts in, but at the end of the day I'm still white with blue eyes. The arguments made against homosexuality are based in myth and debunked pseudo-science agenda from the 1950's. All of which have been proven false. We know for a fact homosexuality is something biologically innate.

And if Prince really went from ****ing men to women, then he was most likely bisexual not heterosexual. But then again I have no idea, nor do I really care to know.
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I just do not know. Some people swear they quit being gay, found God and went on to live a hetero-normative life. Who am I to say they are lying?
 
calamity said:
I just do not know. Some people swear they quit being gay, found God and went on to live a hetero-normative life. Who am I to say they are lying?
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But we do know. It is not possible to turn straight by accepting Christ as your Savior and giving your life to God.

And those people that "quit being gay" are still gay. They are now just in denial and lying to themselves. Just because they're living a hetero-normative lifestyle, does not mean that their sexuality has changed. They could be bisexual for all we know.

"Quitting" being gay is just as impossible as someone "quitting" being straight or bisexual.
 
TheGoverness said:
But we do know. It is not possible to turn straight by accepting Christ as your Savior and giving your life to God.

And those people that "quit being gay" are still gay. They are now just in denial and lying to themselves. Just because they're living a hetero-normative lifestyle, does not mean that their sexuality has changed. They could be bisexual for all we know.

"Quitting" being gay is just as impossible as someone "quitting" being straight or bisexual.
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So, you are calling those who swear they "quit" being gay liars?

I'm not surprised. Good of you to know what is in their head. :roll:

I would say a better argument is that you are skeptical. But, that is just me. I don't pretend to know what goes on in someone else's head.
 
calamity said:
So, you are calling those who swear they "quit" being gay liars?

I'm not surprised. Good of you to know what is in their head. :roll:
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I am calling them incorrect, not untruthful. Some people may truly have convinced themselves that they aren't gay anymore, but the fact is that you cannot "quit" being gay; that's not how sexuality works.
 
calamity said:
Personally, I prefer someone who is honest, out and in the open, like Freddie Mercury, over a closet homosexual preacher. But, hey. Free country.
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Another stirring the pot thread from Calamity. Change your name to Calamity Troll?
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't know if self-reported claims of changing sexual orientation is a accurate thing to base your research on.
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It's pretty common for transgenders to report their sexual orientation changed after hormone treatment. When you're looking at the kind of numbers that we are talking about here there is probably something to it.
 
Henrin said:
It's pretty common for transgenders to report their sexual orientation changed after hormone treatment. When you're looking at the kind of numbers that we are talking about here there is probably something to it.
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Well I know for a fact that is not possible to change your sexual orientation, though some variation in a person's sexuality over their lifetime is normal.

I personally know a few of people who feel that their sexuality has altered over the course of their lifetimes, but they generally attribute this change to natural fluctuation, rather than a attempt to force their sexuality to change.
 
Who was married to again? Is that gay?

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TheGoverness said:
Well I know for a fact that is not possible to change your sexual orientation, though some variation in a person's sexuality over their lifetime is normal.

I personally know a few of people who feel that their sexuality has altered over the course of their lifetimes, but they generally attribute this change to natural fluctuation, rather than a attempt to force their sexuality to change.
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Then the question becomes what caused that change. If it can happen naturally then chances are we can in fact make it happen by forcing those changes in place.
 
Who the heck cares? Let the man rest in peace.
What is it with the sexual identity crap all the time? He was a human being, a person, made great music, now he is dead. End of story.
 
Henrin said:
Then the question becomes what caused that change. If it can happen naturally then chances are we can in fact make it happen by forcing those changes in place.
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Do you mean what caused the change in someone's sexuality?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, that is what I mean.
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To that I have no clue.

But I know that it's not hormones, because they do not change/alter sexual orientation.

However, the vast majority of us are not 100% heterosexual or homosexual either. Current thinking is that we tend to fall within a range, though usually more to one side or the other.
 
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TheGoverness said:
But we do know. You cannot mold someone's sexuality. Just because Prince believed that he 'went straight' after finding God, does not mean that is true.
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I am not arguing your point here but rather adding a possible caveat or addendum...because that sounds formal and stuff.
I've known folks who have swung back and forth throughout their lives, some going from hetero to bi to homosexual, some (and albeit fewer) from homosexual to heterosexual. This doesn't mean that their sexuality changed, just that it took them a very long time to "find themselves" maybe.

TheGoverness said:
To that I have no clue.
But I know that it's not hormones, because they do not change/alter sexual orientation.
However, the vast majority of us are not 100% heterosexual or homosexual either. Current thinking is that we tend to fall within a range, though usually more to one side or the other.
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This makes sense, really. It is possible that the "natural" state of sexuality is somewhere in between and that as the species fluctuates in numbers, culture, etc. the pendulum swings in other directions.

I'm going to go with it being moot for Prince. He was a great artist and a great businessman who is now gone. His sexuality is not a factor in my respect for him or in being sorry to see him gone.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well I know for a fact that is not possible to change your sexual orientation, though some variation in a person's sexuality over their lifetime is normal.

I personally know a few of people who feel that their sexuality has altered over the course of their lifetimes, but they generally attribute this change to natural fluctuation, rather than a attempt to force their sexuality to change.
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You do not know for a fact that some people cannot and do not in fact change orientation. Sheesh. Talk about presumptuous.

Is that what this gay agenda crap has led to, raw dogmatic adherence to the Gospel of LGBT?
 
calamity said:
You do not know for a fact that some people cannot and do not in fact change orientation. Sheesh. Talk about presumptuous.

Is that what this gay agenda crap has led to, raw dogmatic adherence to the Gospel of LGBT?
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Uh no, I do know that for a fact. This isn't me making stuff up, this is information I received from experts. If you think they're wrong, then go ahead and present a alternative model.

And who said you had to adhere to anything about LGBT? I'm talking about something that's a fact, not "gay propaganda".
 
radcen said:
Problem is, Mercury wasn't honest and open about it, until near the end.
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I read that he was very honest to his more private inner circle. Obviously, to his fans, those were hard times to be "out."
 
TheGoverness said:
Uh no, I do know that for a fact. This isn't me making stuff up, this is information I received from experts. If you think they're wrong, then go ahead and present a alternative model.

And who said you had to adhere to anything about LGBT? I'm talking about something that's a fact, not "gay propaganda".
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People change orientation. You're very closed-minded on this issue.

Changing Sexual Preferences and Orientation After 50 - AARP Everyw...

...as researchers are discovering, a person's sexual orientation is not carved in stone. In her influential book Sexual Fluidity, psychology professor Lisa M. Diamond chronicled her research on 80 nonheterosexual women over a period of 10 years. During that time, Diamond discovered, a significant number of the women had reported changing their sexual orientation.
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radcen said:
That's not very "open".
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Depends on your definition. Few people "in the know" were not aware of Mercury's homosexuality. They just did not print it. Prince, OTOH, was extremely tight lipped.
 
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