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CDC: Syphilis Rates Among Gay Men Highest Since Before Start Of HIV Epidemic

WorldWatcher said:
You bring out an excellent point.


A point that supports Same-sex Marriage and promoting stable long term relationships in the community as contrasted with ostracizing and forcing them underground were multiple partners and one night stands are the norm.


Pretty hard to catch an STD if you are monogamous and both you and your partner are clean.



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Baloney. It doesn't take social acceptance of who you are to not sleep around. If it did then there wouldn't be gay men that were together for decades.
 
Henrin said:
Baloney. It doesn't take social acceptance of who you are to not sleep around. If it did then there wouldn't be gay men that were together for decades.
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Well if you pretend to be straight to fit in with people you tend to seek gay sex on the side. That's a story that has played out thousands of times.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well if you pretend to be straight to fit in with people you tend to seek gay sex on the side. That's a story that has played out thousands of times.
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But that wouldn't explain the chart or their behavior today. Social acceptance has increased and gay men are more open about their sexuality than ever, and yet the STD rate hasn't slowed down a bit.
 
CLAX1911 said:
When was that? Are you schizophrenic? This thread is about the CDC fact I thought
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Read the post. It's in context with the flow of the conversation and the quoted response.
 
Henrin said:
But that wouldn't explain the chart or their behavior today. Social acceptance has increased and gay men are more open about their sexuality than ever, and yet the STD rate hasn't slowed down a bit.
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STD rates among gay men are actually on the increase. But, CLX won't ever admit that. It goes counter to his narrative.
 
Henrin said:
But that wouldn't explain the chart or their behavior today. Social acceptance has increased and gay men are more open about their sexuality than ever, and yet the STD rate hasn't slowed down a bit.
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Wtf is an "STD rate?"

How many of these people that get infected are openly gay? How many of them are gay at all?

You people take this and just run with it not even thinking before you speak.

Parroting stats is piss poor argument.
 
calamity said:
Read the post. It's in context with the flow of the conversation and the quoted response.
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No. Make your statements clear and communicate properly.

Don't blame the receiver if your transmission is faulty.

Also cowardly avoiding the accusation of denial you made doesn't lend to your credibility.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Wtf is an "STD rate?"

How many of these people that get infected are openly gay? How many of them are gay at all?

You people take this and just run with it not even thinking before you speak.

Parroting stats is piss poor argument.
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If acceptance was a major factor there would be a noticeable positive effect shown in the chart in post three, but instead things have gotten worse. Was I somehow not clear on that?
 
Henrin said:
If acceptance was a major factor there would be decrease in the chart in the OP,
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Well is homosexuality as well accepted as heterosexuality? You can't say it's not a factor until it's eliminated.

but instead things have gotten worse. Was I somehow not clear on that?
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It still isn't accepted. Seems that acceptance has gone down since the anti lgbt people have stirred up things that never were a problem.

First eliminate the factor than you can say it's eliminated.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well is homosexuality as well accepted as heterosexuality? You can't say it's not a factor until it's eliminated.

It still isn't accepted. Seems that acceptance has gone down since the anti lgbt people have stirred up things that never were a problem.

First eliminate the factor than you can say it's eliminated.
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What I question is why the numbers are getting worse even with acceptance increasing sharply. Is acceptance actually feeding the issue or is the benefits gained from it just being beat out by other factors? I don't think we have enough data at the moment to say one way or another.
 
Henrin said:
If acceptance was a major factor there would be a noticeable positive effect shown in the chart in post three, but instead things have gotten worse. Was I somehow not clear on that?
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There are many factors that affect such things. Acceptance is a factor but not the only one.
 
Henrin said:
What I question is why the numbers are getting worse even with acceptance increasing shapely.
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Decreasing. States are making laws to protect discriminatory behavior. No such thing has ever occurred.

That isn't an increase in acceptance in any way.

And once again, are the people that are becoming infected gay people who are out?

You are not asking the right questions

Is acceptance actually feeding the issue or is the benefits gained from it just being beat out by other factors?
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Being that acceptance is decreasing yes the issues seem to be linked.

Ever since the court forced states to recognize marriage there has been an all out attack on same sex couples rights.



I don't think we have enough data at the moment to say one way or another.
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Seems clear as day to me.
 
Henrin said:
What I question is why the numbers are getting worse even with acceptance increasing sharply. Is acceptance actually feeding the issue or is the benefits gained from it just being beat out by other factors? I don't think we have enough data at the moment to say one way or another.
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Acceptance is increasing, which means so is testing. That in itself can help explain a portion of the numbers. However, acceptance is not always widespread and can vary by area. It has been only about 15 years since gays didn't have to fear prosecution and even possibly being put on a sex offender list just for having consensual sex even in their own home.
 
roguenuke said:
There are many factors that affect such things. Acceptance is a factor but not the only one.
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Acceptance has decreased drastically in the past couple of years.

I've been out for fourteen years. It seems in the most recent months it all the sudden means a whole bunch of garbage that it didn't just give years ago.
 
roguenuke said:
Acceptance is increasing, which means so is testing.
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That hasn't been my experience. Social acceptance has gone down. There are states making laws forbidding municipal governments from protecting same sex couples from discrimination. That to me is a sharp decrease in acceptance
 
CLAX1911 said:
That hasn't been my experience. Social acceptance has gone down. There are states making laws forbidding municipal governments from protecting same sex couples from discrimination. That to me is a sharp decrease in acceptance
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I agree with some of this to a point. The acceptance in those areas though has never truly been high to begin with. And social pressure we are currently seeing is evidence that in general, acceptance has increased, particularly compared to just a couple decades ago. In the recent past it has mostly been ignore gay people. Now they are facing having to either accept it or outright reject it that homosexuals are part of our society. This is bringing out the jerks who don't want to accept change (that homosexuality is not viewed as immoral by a majority) and are trying to push back. But then we see more pushback as well from many others who are saying "what is your problem?". NC is actually a good example of this. Less than a few weeks after HB2s passage and social pressure is forcing the governor to back off his position.
 
roguenuke said:
I agree with some of this to a point. The acceptance in those areas though has never truly been high to begin with. And social pressure we are currently seeing is evidence that in general, acceptance has increased, particularly compared to just a couple decades ago. In the recent past it has mostly been ignore gay people. Now they are facing having to either accept it or outright reject it that homosexuals are part of our society. This is bringing out the jerks who don't want to accept change (that homosexuality is not viewed as immoral by a majority) and are trying to push back. But then we see more pushback as well from many others who are saying "what is your problem?". NC is actually a good example of this. Less than a few weeks after HB2s passage and social pressure is forcing the governor to back off his position.
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Well lgbt are being heavily resented all over the United states for things that have nothing to do with them.

It's like a war is being fought and instead of targeting those responsible they are taking it out on all lgbt indiscriminately.

That's what I'm talking about.
 
calamity said:
I'm talking about gay people who marry opposite sex people to keep up appearances. I'm surprised you failed to understand that.
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It seems like you're on a witch hunt here.

What you fail to realize is that the very statistics you're quoting are a result of gay men who self-report and get regular STD checks. We wouldn't even have these numbers if they weren't going to get tested. Gay men get tested way more than straight men, per capita. So your claim that the high numbers are due to guys on the down low is totally incorrect and misguided.

Yes, gay men have higher STD numbers per capita, because of the kind of sex they have which naturally leaves them more vulnerable. And yes, I'm sure some of those numbers are due to irresponsible people, just like some numbers are due to exposure to someone they thought they could trust.

You can't draw conclusions about morals and individual behaviors just from numbers. Regardless, hating a group of people has no excuse, numbers or not. That kind of hatred reflects more poorly on you than anyone else.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well lgbt are being heavily resented all over the United states for things that have nothing to do with them.

It's like a war is being fought and instead of targeting those responsible they are taking it out on all lgbt indiscriminately.

That's what I'm talking about.
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Ehh, I'm pretty sure a good chunk of America is supportive of gay people now. Even younger republicans are supportive of gay people.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well lgbt are being heavily resented all over the United states for things that have nothing to do with them.

It's like a war is being fought and instead of targeting those responsible they are taking it out on all lgbt indiscriminately.

That's what I'm talking about.
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Forcing things on people is going to cause resentment. I have to wonder if people think they can avoid that, because apparently a lot of people act all surprised when it happens.
 
Henrin said:
Forcing things on people is going to cause resentment. I have to wonder if people think they can avoid that, because apparently a lot of people act all surprised when it happens.
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Lol, what are the Gays "forcing" on you? Oh wait, NOTHING.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No. Make your statements clear and communicate properly.

Don't blame the receiver if your transmission is faulty.

Also cowardly avoiding the accusation of denial you made doesn't lend to your credibility.
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Avoiding what?
 
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