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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    it [homosexual behavior]is not a sin. The bible never makes mention of it. You are doing Christianity a disservice by perpetuating this nonsense.
    The Bible makes clear and explicit mention of it, and makes it clear that it is unacceptable.

    The Bible also lays out more generalized standards of sexual morality, which, even if homosexuality were never mentioned, homosexuality would clearly violate.

    You are only fooling yourself by trying to claim that the Bible does not say what it very clearly does say. The Bible does not support your assertion that God approves of your sinful life choice.
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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Bible makes clear and explicit mention of it, and makes it clear that it is unacceptable.
    No it doesn't.

    The Bible also lays out more generalized standards of sexual morality, which, even if homosexuality were never mentioned, homosexuality would clearly violate.
    Fail again.

    You are only fooling yourself by trying to claim that the Bible does not say what it very clearly does say. The Bible does not support your assertion that God approves of your sinful life choice.
    Your relative morality is irrelevant. Just thought you'd like to know.
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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Sick. Your ideology kills people who can't fit it's cookie cutter standards. Are you aware of that? Homosexual Christian teenagers take their lives all the time because they can not do the impossible. They can't change their sexuality. Nor can they live a life where they pretend that they are not gay. So in their shame and pity they kill themselves.

    If your idea of a moral high ground as Christian is to keep that tradition alive, shaming the "deviants". Churches might as well hand out noosed ropes and stools, because the path the send these people down is extremely dark and troubling.

    Christian 'Exorcism' Leads to Gay Teen's Suicide - Christian Piatt | God's Politics Blog | Sojourners

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    Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda's Anti-Gay Crackdown | Mother Jones

    And then you ask for respect for your beliefs.
    The indifference is disgusting. How on earth can these people say they follow Jesus's teachings of they would stand idle while their child kills themself.

    The only "christian" that responded here only did so to pass judgement and condemn people to hell. Those must be some mighty big cajones to usurp God's duty and make it your own.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Bible makes clear and explicit mention of it, and makes it clear that it is unacceptable.

    The Bible also lays out more generalized standards of sexual morality, which, even if homosexuality were never mentioned, homosexuality would clearly violate.

    You are only fooling yourself by trying to claim that the Bible does not say what it very clearly does say. The Bible does not support your assertion that God approves of your sinful life choice.

    It is funny. You are all for respecting religious beliefs until someone views the religion differently. Then it is all about your certitude about what the Bible says and how it should be interpreted.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Bible makes clear and explicit mention of it, and makes it clear that it is unacceptable.

    The Bible also lays out more generalized standards of sexual morality, which, even if homosexuality were never mentioned, homosexuality would clearly violate.


    Thank you doctor Cox.

    You are merely twisting interpretation to excuse your prejudice. That ship simply will not sail.

    You are only fooling yourself by trying to claim that the Bible does not say what it very clearly does say.
    And you are only fooling yourself when you say that the bible says something it clearly does not.
    The Bible does not support your assertion that God approves of your sinful life choice.
    That was never my assertion. But thanks for the false accusations it really damages your case.

    My only assertion in that homosexuality isn't sinful. So thank you.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    I don't know about anybody else but I sure am tired of these predators that have hijacked Christianity and the conservative party.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart | Wichita Eagle

    Very good read. I've yet to see a christian who could explain why shellfish and divorce are okay, but homosexuality is not.
    Probably that is because Divorce except in very particular circumstances is also contrary to what we teach.

    However, as for this standard trope , as you implicitly point out, people are excellent at designing excuses for doing what they want to do, including validating the choices of their children.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not the one I've chosen for myself, it's the one that applies to all mankind regardless of if they chose it. It's just simply the truth. If it was up to me I wouldn't want homosexual sex to be wrong or sinful. The God of the Bible, the One True God, says it's wrong and also says that sin is judged and without forgiveness people chose hell. The frivolous crap is rejecting Biblical truth and rationalizing in a deceptive way around the truth to believe that something that is wrong isn't.
    Nah, you chose it. And you choose to believe it applies to all people. Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system. Now you are free to choose to believe whatever you want, but I choose to believe that the god you envision is a very petty creature if he is so concerned with who people sleep with that he will allow them to live in a place of eternal suffering regardless of every other aspect of how they have lived their life. You are free to believe in such a petty creature, and conduct your life in accordance by it, but do not be surprised if others concern themselves with less frivolous crap.

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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This father is doing a massive disservice to their child as a Christian by supporting and even trying to "change" Biblical truth when they find out their child is struggling with the sin of homosexuality.

    People are weak, Christians included. Many do not want to stand for truth, which is why they rationalize why it's ok for them to get a divorce when it isn't Biblically merited or do any other kind of sin. The father is encouraging their child to live a life of sin and if their child isn't saved or forgiven of that (which would be the child's decision to repent) they will spend an eternity in hell for it. He does his child the ultimate disservice and harm by encouraging this and changing his view when it's convenient for him to do so rather than to stand up for what is true and encourage their child in holy living.
    Bull ****.....Jesus Christ spent his life living and preaching about things that most "Christians" do not preach today...let alone live up to. If so called "Christians" would simply emulate a Christ-llke life, the world would be a better place. Instead....they preach this kind of BS and hatred.
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    Re: A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    That's actually one of the best descriptors of relative morality that I have seen. Can I use it as my sig?
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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