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A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart

Logicman said:
The arguments themselves bust your pro-gay theology, apart from their motivation.
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The arguments have been easily dispatched and debunked... as I told you.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Claiming your view is the "biblican" view (whatever the hell that means) is not just extremely arrogant, but it seems to be your self anointing asauthority and thus emissary of God.

Such megalomania isn't really impressive to me. Ever clown under the sun thinks their view it's the view.
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It isn't arrogant, because I didn't just claim it on authority, I explained why it IS the biblical view.

Also I explained the greek Word paul uses "arsenokaitai" and gave an accurate exegesis of the text, if you have another definition of the Word lets here it, if you have another plausable exegesis of the text, lets here it.
 
RGacky3 said:
It isn't arrogant, because I didn't just claim it on authority, I explained why it IS the biblical view.
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It may be to you. But that really is your interpretation.

Also I explained the greek Word paul uses "arsenokaitai" and gave an accurate exegesis of the text, if you have another definition of the Word lets here it, if you have another plausable exegesis of the text, lets here it.
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You gave your opinion it wasn't accurate it was simply what you think. I posted a link two days ago, go back in the thread, find the link and read it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It may be to you. But that really is your interpretation.

You gave your opinion it wasn't accurate it was simply what you think. I posted a link two days ago, go back in the thread, find the link and read it.
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No it WAS accurate, that's what the Word "arsenokaitai" means, I'm not going to do Your Research for you, you're not logicman, Your better than that, I would have hoped that you would have had Your own arguments and you would have studied this yourself.

I gave the most accurate exegesis, if you have another exegesis lets here it ... I'm not going to do Your Research for you, I gave you my position, explain to me why it's wrong and what the actual exegesis is .... Common CLAX1911, you're better than this.
 
RGacky3 said:
No it WAS accurate, that's what the Word "arsenokaitai" means, I'm not going to do Your Research for you, you're not logicman, Your better than that, I would have hoped that you would have had Your own arguments and you would have studied this yourself.

I gave the most accurate exegesis, if you have another exegesis lets here it ... I'm not going to do Your Research for you, I gave you my position, explain to me why it's wrong and what the actual exegesis is .... Common CLAX1911, you're better than this.
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See the Bolden text above. You clearly already made up your mind. What good would it do me?
 
CLAX1911 said:
See the Bolden text above. You clearly already made up your mind. What good would it do me?
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To show that you have a good case for Your position ... I'll change my mind if given a more plausable position from scripture ... but if you can't defend Your position from scripture, and from the greek, then no one should hold Your position.
 
RGacky3 said:
To show that you have a good case for Your position
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I have a good case. Your opinion about it wouldn't really matter.
I'll change my mind if given a more plausable position from scripture
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I am going to have to call you out on this lie. You have already said that your opinion is the best exegesis, and that it was the biblican view. You are lying.
but if you can't defend Your position from scripture, and from the greek, then no one should hold Your position.
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I can. I just don't see the point in doing so with somebody who clearly has their mind made up. I don't feel the needto push boulders up mountains.

I know that this is some existential self indulgent crap you are doing. You want to prove your theology holds up against the fag's. Sorry to disappoint, I won't be your tool.

Look I have had this same exact discussion for nearly 15 years. You are one of the guilty playing a complacent hand in the suicide of these gay children. I don't know if you are simply unaware of this or id you are maliciously doing it, honestly I haven't come across a single person that has said anything different than you have. Same opinionated hateful crap, same twisting of scripture to justify your prejudice and same hypocritical statements that you have said.

RGakey3:"my opinion is the biblical reality"
Clax: "Than I see no real point in discussing this with you"
RGakey3 (and every other hateful little hypocrite):"I would be willing to change my opinion of you convince me"

You honestly don't see the irony in that?

No, you have shut down all possible discussion on this because you have such a need to be right that you have declared you're opinion, without a single shred of evidence, to be "The biblical view".

You just want to use me to flex your theological muscles.

You want my opinion, prove you deserve it, or go to hell.
 
CLAX1911 said:
1. I have a good case. Your opinion about it wouldn't really matter.

2. I am going to have to call you out on this lie. You have already said that your opinion is the best exegesis, and that it was the biblican view. You are lying. I can. I just don't see the point in doing so with somebody who clearly has their mind made up. I don't feel the needto push boulders up mountains.

3. I know that this is some existential self indulgent crap you are doing. You want to prove your theology holds up against the fag's. Sorry to disappoint, I won't be your tool.

Look I have had this same exact discussion for nearly 15 years. You are one of the guilty playing a complacent hand in the suicide of these gay children. I don't know if you are simply unaware of this or id you are maliciously doing it, honestly I haven't come across a single person that has said anything different than you have. Same opinionated hateful crap, same twisting of scripture to justify your prejudice and same hypocritical statements that you have said.

RGakey3:"my opinion is the biblical reality"
Clax: "Than I see no real point in discussing this with you"
RGakey3 (and every other hateful little hypocrite):"I would be willing to change my opinion of you convince me"

You honestly don't see the irony in that?

No, you have shut down all possible discussion on this because you have such a need to be right that you have declared you're opinion, without a single shred of evidence, to be "The biblical view".

You just want to use me to flex your theological muscles.

You want my opinion, prove you deserve it, or go to hell.
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1. Then present Your case.

2. Of coarse it's the best I've seen, (if it wasn't I'd have another exegesis), and of coarse it's the biblical, if it is shown to not be I'd change it ... but so far there is no other plausable one I've seen.

3. I'm not trying to flex my theological muscles, I gave an argument on a forum called "debate politics" on the actual scripture in Romans and what it means based on the origional greek and context .... you think Your position is biblical and the proper exegesis of the text, give an argument, I gave mine.

I don't know why you're avoiding giving a plausable definition of the Word and a plausable exegesis if you believe Your position is actually a plausable interpretation.

I'm not the one being hateful, I'm just interperating the text.
 
RGacky3 said:
1. Then present Your case.

2. Of coarse it's the best I've seen, (if it wasn't I'd have another exegesis), and of coarse it's the biblical, if it is shown to not be I'd change it ... but so far there is no other plausable one I've seen.

3. I'm not trying to flex my theological muscles, I gave an argument on a forum called "debate politics" on the actual scripture in Romans and what it means based on the origional greek and context .... you think Your position is biblical and the proper exegesis of the text, give an argument, I gave mine.

I don't know why you're avoiding giving a plausable definition of the Word and a plausable exegesis if you believe Your position is actually a plausable interpretation.

I'm not the one being hateful, I'm just interperating the text.
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1 ) No.

2 ) You clearly don't care what anybody else thinks, so quit pretendingyou want to have a discussion with me.

3 ) Prove you deserve it.

I don't have to give you anything. I wasn't here to debate with you your opinions in the bible. I simply wish to speak to other young gay people in the world who believe your hatred and corruption, and let them know that this, "the bible clearly supports my bigotry" shtick is just the opinion of bigots.

You want to debate theology with me? Pffft, not interested.

Good on this father for supporting his son verses the Klan church. If only more parents would d this perhaps it would rid our nation of this cancer.
 
CLAX1911 said:
1 ) No.

2 ) You clearly don't care what anybody else thinks, so quit pretendingyou want to have a discussion with me.

3 ) Prove you deserve it.

I don't have to give you anything. I wasn't here to debate with you your opinions in the bible. I simply wish to speak to other young gay people in the world who believe your hatred and corruption, and let them know that this, "the bible clearly supports my bigotry" shtick is just the opinion of bigots.

You want to debate theology with me? Pffft, not interested.

Good on this father for supporting his son verses the Klan church. If only more parents would d this perhaps it would rid our nation of this cancer.
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It isn't the "opinion" of bigots, it's the ACTUAL TEXT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT .... if you don't like it then just say you don't like what's written in the New testament.

The fact that you can't defend Your position is Your own problem.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes you are. You are effectively telling every gay person that they are not good enough. That is extremely hateful.

Through the prism of your hatred.
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I'm not telling gay People anything, Paul is the one that wrote the text, not me.

Again, it's not through my prism of hatred, it's what the actual greek text says.
 
RGacky3 said:
It isn't the "opinion" of bigots, it's the ACTUAL TEXT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
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meh, common defense, completely unfounded, and yes it absolutely is the opinion of bigotry.
if you don't like it then just say you don't like what's written in the New testament.
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I don't have any issue with what it says, just your manipulations and perversions of it to support your own hatred.

The fact that you can't defend Your position is Your own problem.
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I don't need to, my opinion, stands on it's own. You screaming proves that you can't defend yours.
 
CLAX1911 said:
meh, common defense, completely unfounded, and yes it absolutely is the opinion of bigotry.I don't have any issue with what it says, just your manipulations and perversions of it to support your own hatred.

I don't need to, my opinion, stands on it's own. You screaming proves that you can't defend yours.
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Ok buddy, I already posted the text, I posted the greek Word and it's definition, the text says what it says and you haven't given any other exegesis ....¨

I thought better of you when it came to being honest With scripture and actually being able to have a serious discussion, I Guess I was wrong.
 
RGacky3 said:
I'm not telling gay People anything
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Yes you are by your crude interpretations bent through the prism of hate.
Paul is the one that wrote the text, not me.
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Yes and the text doesn't support your hatred.

[QUOTE}Again, it's not through my prism of hatred[/QUOTE]How would you know? Your entire world is skewed that same prism. You have no way of seeing without it.
it's what the actual greek text says.
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I know you think that but failure to provide a tiny scrap of evidence for it, means you are just repeating the same hogwash you were manipulating in the first place.
 
RGacky3 said:
Ok buddy
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I am not your buddy.
I already posted the text, I posted the greek Word and it's definition,
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You mean your opinion on the Greek word's definition. Why should I trust somebody who sees and interprets text through the prism of hatred?
the text says what it says
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Indeed it does.
and you haven't given any other exegesis ....¨
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Prove you deserve it.

I thought better of you when it came to being honest With scripture and actually being able to have a serious discussion, I Guess I was wrong.
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Well you ought not approach things with the "my way or the highway" attitude. Why would anybody discuss their beliefs and scripture with you if you come right out of the box claiming that your view is the biblical view?

You want to be butthurt, be butthurt with yourself.

The respect of a hater of homosexuals means nothing to me. The real shame is that I thought you were different, you are now in the category with logicman it's a crying shame.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes you are by your crude interpretations bent through the prism of hate. Yes and the text doesn't support your hatred.

[QUOTE}Again, it's not through my prism of hatred
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How would you know? Your entire world is skewed that same prism. You have no way of seeing without it.I know you think that but failure to provide a tiny scrap of evidence for it, means you are just repeating the same hogwash you were manipulating in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Romans 1:
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

I don't know how to interperate that other than condemning same sex Activity ....

1. Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes (greek=malekoi), sodomites (greek=arsenoikotai), 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

Those Words, Malekoi and Arsenoikotokai, refer to homosexuals, the former refering to passive, and the latter reffering to all kinds, these are teh way those Words are CONSTANTLY used ... if you have another definition let's here it, if not ... then the plain and consistant Reading of the scripture stands.

THe same goes for 1 Timothy 1:8-10 . the Word Arsenoikotai is used ... and that Word's definition is always translated as homosexual.
 
CLAX1911 said:
1.You mean your opinion on the Greek word's definition. Why should I trust somebody who sees and interprets text through the prism of hatred? Indeed it does.

2. Prove you deserve it.

3. Well you ought not approach things with the "my way or the highway" attitude. Why would anybody discuss their beliefs and scripture with you if you come right out of the box claiming that your view is the biblical view?

You want to be butthurt, be butthurt with yourself.

The respect of a hater of homosexuals means nothing to me. The real shame is that I thought you were different, you are now in the category with logicman it's a crying shame.
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1. YOu don't have to trust me, try any lexicon, try any Dictionary.

2. It's not about me, it's about you having the respect for the scripture to try and interperate it accurately.

3. No I approach Things With "the scriptures way or the high way" ....

I'm not a hater of homosexuals.
 
RGacky3 said:
Romans 1:
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

I don't know how to interperate that other than condemning same sex Activity.
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*Sigh

I already explained it but I will try again.
Homosexuals don't have any natural sex with the opposite sex. I know you have invented some biblical view and projected it onto Paul, but that is malarkey.

1. Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes (greek=malekoi), sodomites (greek=arsenoikotai), 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

Those Words, Malekoi and Arsenoikotokai, refer to homosexuals,
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only in your opinion.
the former refering to passive, and the latter reffering to all kinds, these are teh way those Words are CONSTANTLY used
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I already read your opinion repeating yourself just proves you are belligerent and demand that everybody accept it.
If you have another definition let's here it
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why? AndI already have. You just ignored it. Why should I continue to play your game when you are so belligerent.
if not
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Not now,cc not ever. I don't consort with you demonic types. I thought I made that plainly clear.
then the plain and consistant Reading of the scripture stands.
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Sadly you can't see it, viewing it through the prism of hatred.

THe same goes for 1 Timothy 1:8-10 . the Word Arsenoikotai is used ... and that Word's definition is always translated as homosexual.
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According to you. Who are you?
 
RGacky3 said:
1. YOu don't have to trust me, try any lexicon, try any Dictionary.
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I posted what I trust, you ignored it.

2. It's not about me, it's about you having the respect for the scripture to try and interperate it accurately.
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I have respect for scripture. I just don't have respect for your interpretation of it. Being that you are just another sinner that is nothing special. I don't know why I should trust you.

3. No I approach Things With "the scriptures way or the high way"
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Your opinion of what the scriptures say. How many times do we have to go through this? I don't buy your dictation.

I'm not a hater of homosexuals.
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Boy I sure wish I could believe that. But your need to twist scripture to suit your prejudice says otherwise.
 
Sykes said:
A Christian family, a gay son – and a Wichita father’s change of heart | Wichita Eagle

Very good read. I've yet to see a christian who could explain why shellfish and divorce are okay, but homosexuality is not.



If one of my daughters turned out to be gay, it would be the same in my mind as if she turned out to be left-handed. I would only hope that she wasn't exposed to too much hate from ignorant assholes. That's about it.
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If only all Christians would leave churches that demand you abandon your children.

What a worthless pox on humanity these groups have become.
 
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