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Some advice on mixing meds and herbs?

PleasantValley said:
There are 45 states where it is legal. Two others only require the user to be over 18.
In Texas it is fine.

I have found taking it any other way than swallowing a capsule is out of the question.
It tastes and smells like dead fish.

I tried once to sprinkle some on my chunky applesauce and I could not even put the spoon in my mouth.
I wound up throwing it all out.

I also only need 2 to 3 grams which is only 4 to 6 capsules. In most literature they said 7 grams was a normal dose.
I only take it to relive my constant pain and not to get high.

Thank you for a very informative post.
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For the taste problem, a 16 ounce glass of tea that is two ounces of juice will take away the bad taste. I prefer pink grapefruit, less calories than OJ.

I started out with the same amount you are using, but four years later, I used more than 28 grams per day, made into tea. ( so I didn't actually consumed that much kratom, as some is lost in the tea making process, but I don't know how much ), after several months, I never got a buzz, either, I took it just to feel normal.
 
44 people have died from using Kratom in the USA. It may be a herb, but that doesn't prevent it having psychoactive substances and side effects. There is no scientific evidence as to it's effectiveness, and no guarantee that the strengths attributed on the packaging are accurate. The risk of possible interactions are real.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/kratom
 
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OscarLevant said:
Not really, though I would agree with that sentiment for cannabis, but millions of people have never heard of Kratom.
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The subject of this thread is Kratom...doesn't matter whether millions have heard of it or not...pay attention...
 
Elvira said:
The subject of this thread is Kratom...doesn't matter whether millions have heard of it or not...pay attention...
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Sorry, I disagree.

And...there is no need for the patronizing tone here, as it is such a trivial, point.
 
OscarLevant said:
For the taste problem, a 16 ounce glass of tea that is two ounces of juice will take away the bad taste. I prefer pink grapefruit, less calories than OJ.

I started out with the same amount you are using, but four years later, I used more than 28 grams per day, made into tea. ( so I didn't actually consumed that much kratom, as some is lost in the tea making process, but I don't know how much ), after several months, I never got a buzz, either, I took it just to feel normal.
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Wow...it looks like it can sneak up on you.
28 grams is more than is in one bottle.
I think I will see how sticking to my paltry amount might be best.

You are more a man than I if you can have grapefruit in any form.
 
Manc Skipper said:
44 people have died from using Kratom in the USA. It may be a herb, but that doesn't prevent it having psychoactive substances and side effects. There is no scientific evidence as to it's effectiveness, and no guarantee that the strengths attributed on the packaging are accurate. The risk of possible interactions are real.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/kratom
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You have a point when you look at the crap being sold in head shops under the "kraytom" label.
However, I get mine from KraytomCapsules.com and they have strict quality control standards.

Beware of any negative info about kratom from a .GOV website.
They will say the head shop crap is all there is out there and use it exclusively for their boogie man.
They have a vested interest in making it illegal for their buddies in Big Pharma.

Those 44 RELATED deaths were over an 11 year period, and RELATED means drugs were used too.
Tylenol kills more people IN ONE YEAR than that.

Kraytom is an herb, but I am also not dumb enough to think herbs can't kill you as well.

TO YOUR POINT:

One of the videos on a kraytom website had people praising it because it is " all natural" (smiling faces and acoustic guitar music in the background).
Well, yes it is, but hemlock and monk's hood are also "all natural" and will kill you within a few minutes.
All medicines and most poisons were originally made from "all natural" sources.

I have just noticed almost all of the negative information about kraytom seems to come from or quote government sources, who are deeply invested to ban it.

They hate it because Big Pharma can not patent a plant.
...and most people already know Big Pharma has the government in their back pocket and say whatever they are told.
 
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Only one point:
I'd try my level best to leave the Hydrocodone behind.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Only one point:
I'd try my level best to leave the Hydrocodone behind.
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I have not had any in six days.

I recently also learned about Tumeric (with black pepper).
It seems to be helping with the inflamation. That is where the pain comes from.
I found 180 tabs on-line and am not waking up all stiff and bent over.

I am sure i may be assassinated one day because both of these are from plants and I hope one day to just use only them exclusively.
As long as i don't go too public about this they may not kill me.
CT theory?
 
I would consult a professional herbalist about kratom, and your doctor about hydrocodone. I don't think many people here have expertise in either department.

The only thing I can offer is that one of the addiction centers in my county uses Kratom to help opiate addicts break the habit, and I think it's a valuable medicine. Unfortunately it seems like Big Media has made everyone believe that taking kratom is the same as taking an opiate, so that's probably why your doctor reacted the way he did and why the government in the U.S. is trying to ban it.

I've met people over the years who swear by kratom and say that it has saved their lives from debilitating pain and unending suffering. If your doctor is that much of a jerk then maybe you should keep your herbal activities private and go to a herbalist to find out more. That's what I would do, in your shoes. A professional herbalist who is licensed with the American Herbalist Guild (AGH) would know a lot. Back when I lived in the U.S. I would see an AGH herbalist who had 25 years experience and the stuff she knew blew my mind. She helped me and my family get through many a hard time. Anyway good luck!
 
PleasantValley said:
Wow...it looks like it can sneak up on you.
28 grams is more than is in one bottle.
I think I will see how sticking to my paltry amount might be best.

You are more a man than I if you can have grapefruit in any form.
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That, my friend, is the very definition of "insideous" that it "sneaks up on you".


Well, Kratom isn't really insidious, but just be aware that it can sneak up on you. DO NOT take it every day.

Why? Because, just like other drugs, your body will want more increased dosages to achieve the same result.


ANd, kicking the habit is harder than quitting cigarettes. I craved cigarettes after quitting, it wasn't easy fighting the craving, but it finally abated.

But, when I quit Kratom, I got physically ill, like I had the flu, and it lasted almost a week.

Get sick and see how easy it is to stay away. No easy feat, man.

I really had no choice, my supplier was in Wilmington NC, and the Hurricane put her out of business for a month, and I was out, and she couldn't sell me any, and other sources were thrice her prices, and I could no longer afford my habit. I said to myself, hell, now's a good time to quit.

So I did.

Kratom, like all medicines, opiates, has an analgesic properties, legit as medicine, just don't abuse it.


Say, for example, you are not addicted to kratom, and one day you get a fever. Rather than popping some Excedrins, which make you feel kind of icky though it brings the fever down, take some kratom, and it will do the same thing, but it has no acetametaphin to harm your liver and it will make you feel great.
 
Northern Light said:
I would consult a professional herbalist about kratom, and your doctor about hydrocodone. I don't think many people here have expertise in either department.

The only thing I can offer is that one of the addiction centers in my county uses Kratom to help opiate addicts break the habit, and I think it's a valuable medicine. Unfortunately it seems like Big Media has made everyone believe that taking kratom is the same as taking an opiate, so that's probably why your doctor reacted the way he did and why the government in the U.S. is trying to ban it.

I've met people over the years who swear by kratom and say that it has saved their lives from debilitating pain and unending suffering. If your doctor is that much of a jerk then maybe you should keep your herbal activities private and go to a herbalist to find out more. That's what I would do, in your shoes. A professional herbalist who is licensed with the American Herbalist Guild (AGH) would know a lot. Back when I lived in the U.S. I would see an AGH herbalist who had 25 years experience and the stuff she knew blew my mind. She helped me and my family get through many a hard time. Anyway good luck!
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Believe it nor not, Kratom is not really part of an Herbalists universe. They will actually know very little about it.

That has been my experience. The only people who seem to know about it, are those who sell a lot of it, that that is their main thing.
Some sell other botanicals, but not so much herbal remedies, just other substances than can give you a buzz, like kava kava, blue lotus, etc.
 
OscarLevant said:
That, my friend, is the very definition of "insideous" that it "sneaks up on you".


Well, Kratom isn't really insidious, but just be aware that it can sneak up on you. DO NOT take it every day.

Why? Because, just like other drugs, your body will want more increased dosages to achieve the same result.


ANd, kicking the habit is harder than quitting cigarettes. I craved cigarettes after quitting, it wasn't easy fighting the craving, but it finally abated.

But, when I quit Kratom, I got physically ill, like I had the flu, and it lasted almost a week.

Get sick and see how easy it is to stay away. No easy feat, man.

I really had no choice, my supplier was in Wilmington NC, and the Hurricane put her out of business for a month, and I was out, and she couldn't sell me any, and other sources were thrice her prices, and I could no longer afford my habit. I said to myself, hell, now's a good time to quit.

So I did.

Kratom, like all medicines, opiates, has an analgesic properties, legit as medicine, just don't abuse it.


Say, for example, you are not addicted to kratom, and one day you get a fever. Rather than popping some Excedrins, which make you feel kind of icky though it brings the fever down, take some kratom, and it will do the same thing, but it has no acetametaphin to harm your liver and it will make you feel great.
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The survivalist in me could see the supply drying up if some legislation of natural disaster were to happen as in your case.
That is why i have ordered some 6 to 12 inch tall plants to nurture and grow, then put them out in the common area out in the jungle behind my house.
Chances are they will probably still be legal but no one can predict a natural disaster.
KratomCapsules.com gets them from all over, then processes them in their lad and measures/tests them for purity.
They are based in California, so i think as long as they are in business I am good.
But....if not, I will have a reserve supply and the plants to make more if the worst happens.

I know about being dope sick. The VA had me on that roller coaster when they were playing politics with my meds.
Thank God i am no longer using them for my health care.
Someone's bodily health should not be a political football.

I am listening and heeding your experienced warnings and taking them all to heart.
Thank you.
 
PleasantValley said:
The survivalist in me could see the supply drying up if some legislation of natural disaster were to happen as in your case.
That is why i have ordered some 6 to 12 inch tall plants to nurture and grow, then put them out in the common area out in the jungle behind my house.
Chances are they will probably still be legal but no one can predict a natural disaster.
KratomCapsules.com gets them from all over, then processes them in their lad and measures/tests them for purity.
They are based in California, so i think as long as they are in business I am good.
But....if not, I will have a reserve supply and the plants to make more if the worst happens.

I know about being dope sick. The VA had me on that roller coaster when they were playing politics with my meds.
Thank God i am no longer using them for my health care.
Someone's bodily health should not be a political football.

I am listening and heeding your experienced warnings and taking them all to heart.
Thank you.
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Bad news on the plant front.

Kratom takes about seven years to reach a stage of maturity where the alkaloids in the plant will have any effect.

But, worse than that, the plant only grows effectively as an analgesic agent in the very tropical regions. All of the kratom we buy comes
from southeast asia. Unless, of course, you live in SE Asia, or perhaps the Congo or the Amazon. Not seeing anywhere in the US that would
come close to it, though, for such a plant's needs. On the other hand, I don't have a green thumb, better do some research on this, to be certain.
 
OscarLevant said:
Bad news on the plant front.

Kratom takes about seven years to reach a stage of maturity where the alkaloids in the plant will have any effect.

But, worse than that, the plant only grows effectively as an analgesic agent in the very tropical regions. All of the kratom we buy comes
from southeast asia. Unless, of course, you live in SE Asia, or perhaps the Congo or the Amazon. Not seeing anywhere in the US that would
come close to it, though, for such a plant's needs. On the other hand, I don't have a green thumb, better do some research on this, to be certain.
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I did the research and am going to give it a shot.
I will keep the plants indoors and they say they provide instructions to keep them alive for 30 days guaranteed.
I am also building a humidity house to keep them in till they get bigger.
Then move them out to a climate controlled greenhouse.
Once they are big and healthy, I move them out to the common area in the jungle.

That is the plan anyway.
 
PleasantValley said:
I did the research and am going to give it a shot.
I will keep the plants indoors and they say they provide instructions to keep them alive for 30 days guaranteed.
I am also building a humidity house to keep them in till they get bigger.
Then move them out to a climate controlled greenhouse.
Once they are big and healthy, I move them out to the common area in the jungle.

That is the plan anyway.
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Well, if that does work, you will be rich, someday, as long as it is legal, because of the simple fact that you'd be the only producer in the US.


There is a rather large demand for Kratom, though no where nears as large for Cannabis. But it's large enough, that I'm wondering why
others have not tried it, as you are trying it.

For me, the only thing that is logical is that they did try, and fail.


If they succeed in the Greenhouse, but not in the real world outsdide of it, why not just keep them in the greenhouse, all you are after is a product, it wont matter if it's grown outside of a greenhouse, will it?

But, I don't know about such things.

But, don't mean to be Debbie Downer for you on this, I am rooting for your success, you sound like you got the tools and knowledge, so if anyone can do it, you will . Keep us posted, and why not create a blog on your journey? I believe many would follow it, if you did one, once the word got out.


It is a problem, one that the market would love for someone to solve, that is certain. That kratom is only available from SE asia, is a growing problem.
 
OscarLevant said:
Well, if that does work, you will be rich, someday, as long as it is legal, because of the simple fact that you'd be the only producer in the US.


There is a rather large demand for Kratom, though no where nears as large for Cannabis. But it's large enough, that I'm wondering why
others have not tried it, as you are trying it.

For me, the only thing that is logical is that they did try, and fail.


If they succeed in the Greenhouse, but not in the real world outsdide of it, why not just keep them in the greenhouse, all you are after is a product, it wont matter if it's grown outside of a greenhouse, will it?

But, I don't know about such things.

But, don't mean to be Debbie Downer for you on this, I am rooting for your success, you sound like you got the tools and knowledge, so if anyone can do it, you will . Keep us posted, and why not create a blog on your journey? I believe many would follow it, if you did one, once the word got out.


It is a problem, one that the market would love for someone to solve, that is certain. That kratom is only available from SE asia, is a growing problem.
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Well, I am getting my plants from a lady in Arizona.
Personally i think I have a better chance here in East Texas.
The soil is good and there are no winters to speak of.
If you went behind my house you would think you were in a Tarzan movie.
My wife won't even go back there.

If these few plants work out until April, I will order much much more and make my own nursery.
My advantage is i do not use any of it to get high like i have read on some websites.

Maybe I can grow a heartier strain here in Texas that is even more powerful than what they get in SE Asia?
Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass!
 
OscarLevant said:
Believe it nor not, Kratom is not really part of an Herbalists universe. They will actually know very little about it.

That has been my experience. The only people who seem to know about it, are those who sell a lot of it, that that is their main thing.
Some sell other botanicals, but not so much herbal remedies, just other substances than can give you a buzz, like kava kava, blue lotus, etc.
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Google tells me it comes from SE Asia... so why not find an herbalist who has some specialty in that part of the world?
 
OscarLevant said:
For the taste problem, a 16 ounce glass of tea that is two ounces of juice will take away the bad taste. I prefer pink grapefruit, less calories than OJ.

I started out with the same amount you are using, but four years later, I used more than 28 grams per day, made into tea. ( so I didn't actually consumed that much kratom, as some is lost in the tea making process, but I don't know how much ), after several months, I never got a buzz, either, I took it just to feel normal.
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You have to be careful with grapefruit juice and medications I believe. Going by memory grapefruit juice increases the absorption rate of some medications
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You have to be careful with grapefruit juice and medications I believe. Going by memory grapefruit juice increases the absorption rate of some medications
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Citrus fruit is thought of as a kickstarter for Kratom, giving it a boost, or so I've heard.
 
Northern Light said:
Google tells me it comes from SE Asia... so why not find an herbalist who has some specialty in that part of the world?
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You can try, but I believe you will still find the point I raised in my comment you just replied to, holds.

Kratom is not considered an "herb" in the Herbalist's universe, though it technically is an herb, that's the point. SE Asia, I don't know, but I doubt even they will have a view that disputes the point I'm raising here.

In other words,

You wont find Kratom for sale in any Herbalist shop, not in America, though you will find it for sale in headshops where it is legal.

I suspect it's true in Asia, as well, ( though I haven't researched it for asia ).

The truth is in the keywords you should use in google.

If you want kratom, you will have more luck using "botanicals", than "herbs", for finding kratom dealers.

Under kratom/botanicals, you'll often find not only kratom, but other mind modifying mood effecting plants, such as kava kava, blue lotus, etc, but you won't find herbalists ( usually ) selling them.

Kratom, though it has analgesic properties, it does give you a buzz. Most herbalists I know are not into selling stuff that gets you high, they just want to help you with ailments, clear thinking, energy, internal plumbing, resistance to blisters, etc., that sort of thing. The "botanicals" people want to give you a light mellow buzz, but legally.


However, and this with a capital H, the big reason herbalists are not selling Kratom or recommending it, is that it is addictive, not just psychologically, but physically, i.e, you take it for a while, try and quit, and you get sick and crave it making it hard to break the habit.

If you really want some Kratom, note that in shops it's expensive, and many sites it's expensive, but you can purchase it for more or less than $100 per kilo ( about 2lbs) if you google "kratom wholesale" and other variants, as powder.

Where it gets expensive is in smaller quantities, pill form, higher concentrates, etc.
 
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OscarLevant said:
Citrus fruit is thought of as a kickstarter for Kratom, giving it a boost, or so I've heard.
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Grapefruit juice would do it, OJ not from what I have read. I can not remember why,
 
OscarLevant said:
You can try, but I believe you will still find the point I raised in my comment you just replied to, holds.

Kratom is not considered an "herb" in the Herbalist's universe, though it technically is an herb, that's the point. SE Asia, I don't know, but I doubt even they will have a view that disputes the point I'm raising here.

In other words,

You wont find Kratom for sale in any Herbalist shop, not in America, though you will find it for sale in headshops where it is legal.

I suspect it's true in Asia, as well, ( though I haven't researched it for asia ).

The truth is in the keywords you should use in google.

If you want kratom, you will have more luck using "botanicals", than "herbs", for finding kratom dealers.

Under kratom/botanicals, you'll often find not only kratom, but other mind modifying mood effecting plants, such as kava kava, blue lotus, etc, but you won't find herbalists ( usually ) selling them.

Kratom, though it has analgesic properties, it does give you a buzz. Most herbalists I know are not into selling stuff that gets you high, they just want to help you with ailments, clear thinking, energy, internal plumbing, resistance to blisters, etc., that sort of thing. The "botanicals" people want to give you a light mellow buzz, but legally.


However, and this with a capital H, the big reason herbalists are not selling Kratom or recommending it, is that it is addictive, not just psychologically, but physically, i.e, you take it for a while, try and quit, and you get sick and crave it making it hard to break the habit.

If you really want some Kratom, note that in shops it's expensive, and many sites it's expensive, but you can purchase it for more or less than $100 per kilo ( about 2lbs) if you google "kratom wholesale" and other variants, as powder.

Where it gets expensive is in smaller quantities, pill form, higher concentrates, etc.
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Are you an herbalist?
 
PleasantValley said:
I have not had any in six days.

I recently also learned about Tumeric (with black pepper).
It seems to be helping with the inflamation. That is where the pain comes from.
I found 180 tabs on-line and am not waking up all stiff and bent over.

I am sure i may be assassinated one day because both of these are from plants and I hope one day to just use only them exclusively.
As long as i don't go too public about this they may not kill me.
CT theory?
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Add ginger to that too. The black pepper makes the anti inflammatory ingredient in turmeric more 'bio available''.. i.e. it lets your body absorb it better. Cayenne and cinnamon help too
 
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