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If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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What's the reason for offing themselves?
 
While I wait for your reply...

There are many reasons why someone would want to end it all and usually it's the false impression of their situation. "nobody loves me, nobody cares" I lost my job and am in debt, I'm not stimulated by anything anymore, why live?

People would be surprised at how many people do love and care for them, but often they don't show it for their own reasons. Debt, declare bankruptcy and take a free course in finances so you don't walk down the same path again.

Once you give some background I and others can better answer you. In the mean time, if this is you we are talking about, send me a PM and I'll give you my phone number, talking to someone is a great help.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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Depends. Are we are talking about someone who is wanting to end their life due to illness or disease that is severely affecting their quality of life in a negative way or are we talking about teenage Jane who is upset her boyfriend broke up with her and has started to date her best friend?
 
I would tell them that suicide is most definitely a permanent solution to a temporary problem, no matter how big it may appear at the time...this too shall pass...
 
I would reach out for professional help. For advice and for that person.
 
First if someone tells you they are thinking about take them very seriously.
If you feel comfortable to talk with them do it. Take time to listen Try to get them to speak with a suicide hotline. Contact 911 if you feel they are a immediate threat to themselves.

Good Luck!
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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Call a helpline or some professional who knows how to deal with that.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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I can not even start to say anything, as it is a very personal thing.
You would have to know them well to have any real impact.

However, most who say they will are just crying to someone to listen to them, as i would imagine they might feel betrayed or ignored.
being a good ear and actually listening to them might help.
Few people any more have actual listening skills.
Navy Management School taught me how and I use them every day.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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i generally tell them that if i had done it when i was struggling, i would have lost the coolest 3/4 of my life and basically everything that i have accomplished since then. i would do this after letting them tell me all about the crisis that they are going through. also, i would strongly recommend that they see someone who is professionally trained to deal with this kind of issue. sure, i've been there, but that's not enough. if you're that close to making a permanent decision like suicide, you must see a professional. must.
 
Step one? Call the pros. 911, self help, etc.


After that's done...if it was someone I really cared about, its be road trip time. I'd take a few personal days, and take them camping. Non negotiable. One of two places I know, either in the Saluda Valley, in the smokies, or this lake I know in upstate, in the aderondaks. And i'd show them just how beautiful life is, the world, everything. Most of our emotional problems comes from a disconnect from a disconnect from the every day miracles that surround us every day. We get so focused on things that ultimately don't matter, like jobs, dating, the ever present e social life, etc...that we forget to look up, and around. Getting out into the real words, taking down some bush to find a spot and a time in place that is religious in its beauty is, I have found, a good way to reconnect, to reground ourselves. To rediscover our wonder. A curious person with wonder in their heart won't kill themselves.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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not me. although. ive been there. and i dont say that lightly. someone might ask the question , whats the point ? why go on? for what purpose? i didnt have an answer
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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it seems the answer is to contact trained people. that answer is thought provoking, why doesnt an average person know why someone shouldnt commit suicide? and what does it mean to be qualified to council someone in suicide prevention? is the answer a secret that only trained people know? maybe there is no answer, except that experts want there services to be used.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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update.. i'm going to tell the person that small frostys are selling for .50 cents at wendys. this might help. for a limited time only though
 
lefty louie said:
While I wait for your reply...

There are many reasons why someone would want to end it all and usually it's the false impression of their situation. "nobody loves me, nobody cares" I lost my job and am in debt, I'm not stimulated by anything anymore, why live?

People would be surprised at how many people do love and care for them, but often they don't show it for their own reasons. Debt, declare bankruptcy and take a free course in finances so you don't walk down the same path again.

Once you give some background I and others can better answer you. In the mean time, if this is you we are talking about, send me a PM and I'll give you my phone number, talking to someone is a great help.
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I like your willingness to personally help, Lefty.
 
I would let them know that suicide is a valid choice and I would NOT jump to calling 911 because that is a kneejerk reaction we are taught to do but it is not necessarily always productive or beneficial. Depending on where you live, the system treats suicidal people like **** and just traumatizes them further.

Most people think about suicide sometime in their lives but it's a taboo subject so we never really realize this. It comes part and parcel with the mortal coil, suffering, and trying to come up with ways to end suffering. It's escapism, basically.

What I would stress is that suicide is a permanent solution to an often temporary problem. Maybe you can't see your way through the suffering or see the solutions, but it doesn't mean there aren't any. I find what suicidal people need more than anything is help reconnecting with the sense of possibilities because feeling like you want to end your life arises from a perceived dead end which in almost every case is not real.

If we're talking someone biochemically depressed... maybe medication is needed, or better diet, or better supplement support. Because my son is autistic I have learned a lot about the genetics of how the body creates, uses and disposes of neurotransmitters. Sometimes a person just needs one key biological support and their entire outlook changes.
 
Northern Light said:
I would let them know that suicide is a valid choice and I would NOT jump to calling 911 because that is a kneejerk reaction we are taught to do but it is not necessarily always productive or beneficial. Depending on where you live, the system treats suicidal people like **** and just traumatizes them further.

Most people think about suicide sometime in their lives but it's a taboo subject so we never really realize this. It comes part and parcel with the mortal coil, suffering, and trying to come up with ways to end suffering. It's escapism, basically.

What I would stress is that suicide is a permanent solution to an often temporary problem. Maybe you can't see your way through the suffering or see the solutions, but it doesn't mean there aren't any. I find what suicidal people need more than anything is help reconnecting with the sense of possibilities because feeling like you want to end your life arises from a perceived dead end which in almost every case is not real.

If we're talking someone biochemically depressed... maybe medication is needed, or better diet, or better supplement support. Because my son is autistic I have learned a lot about the genetics of how the body creates, uses and disposes of neurotransmitters. Sometimes a person just needs one key biological support and their entire outlook changes.
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I think for some the problem is that life is temporary anyway. so suicide is an end to suffering , a permanent end to temporary life. why is it wrong to end suffering.
 
hado117 said:
I think for some the problem is that life is temporary anyway. so suicide is an end to suffering , a permanent end to temporary life. why is it wrong to end suffering.
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because it's almost always a horrible mistake.
 
Elvira said:
I would tell them that suicide is most definitely a permanent solution to a temporary problem, no matter how big it may appear at the time...this too shall pass...
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Not true. Terminal diseases are terminal.
 
Usually suicide isn’t the best option. But sometimes it is. Circumstances in which suicide is the least horrible option are almost always medical in nature, though. I think suicide is a very rational course of action if you have something like Alzheimer’s or other degenerative neurological diseases. But it is a very irrational course of action for things like being fired or breaking up.
 
hado117 said:
I think for some the problem is that life is temporary anyway. so suicide is an end to suffering , a permanent end to temporary life. why is it wrong to end suffering.
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I don't look at it as right or wrong... more like, is this practical.
 
PleasantValley said:
I like your willingness to personally help, Lefty.
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I'm only an asshole on issues that aren't life ending.

This topic can be deadly and not knowing the OP I thought it was the least I could do to offer up a person to person conversation. The fact that you acknowledged my offer and he/she didn't tells me enough about the person.

Being human is not party specific, it crosses all walks and talks. Peace.
 
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