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hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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You offer a question, when I follow up to get some specifics so that we can better answer you, you don't fill in the blanks. So one can only assume you are not serious about this issue, so why not stop spinning our wheels. If you truly wanted help you'd have at least dug a little deeper.
 
lefty louie said:
I'm only an asshole on issues that aren't life ending.

This topic can be deadly and not knowing the OP I thought it was the least I could do to offer up a person to person conversation. The fact that you acknowledged my offer and he/she didn't tells me enough about the person.

Being human is not party specific, it crosses all walks and talks. Peace.
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ok ..glad i didnt contact you
 
hado117 said:
ok ..glad i didnt contact you
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See, I can be compassionate, but when I detect someone with a question that doesn't really want help I turn them off, you, are now effectively off. See how that works.
 
lefty louie said:
See, I can be compassionate, but when I detect someone with a question that doesn't really want help I turn them off, you, are now effectively off. See how that works.
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ok. seems like you quit a little too early though. some people have difficulty asking for help. I was sincere in asking but . I knoe this isnt the place to look for help . or compassion.
 
hado117 said:
ok. seems like you quit a little too early though. some people have difficulty asking for help. I was sincere in asking but . I knoe this isnt the place to look for help . or compassion.
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Nope, you blew it. However the answers you say you were looking for are all in the thread, best of luck to you, I can't help you if you don't want to grab the life preserver. Bye now, pulling into port, I'll notify the coast guard.
 
lefty louie said:
Nope, you blew it. However the answers you say you were looking for are all in the thread, best of luck to you, I can't help you if you don't want to grab the life preserver. Bye now, pulling into port, I'll notify the coast guard.
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I'll find something floating around in the water to grab on to. or just back float.
 
hado117 said:
why is it that people rarely see suicide as a logical answer?
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...because it is not.
No logic to it.

It is not the same thing as grabbing a bomb on a plane and jumping out with it.
That is honorable and logical to the one who chooses to do it.

Choosing to end your life over some drama is not logical and a waste of a life.
Drama will always be around.

I say this because i have been there.
So deep in despair ending it all seemed the best way to stop the helplessness.

Then God sent three little angels who showed me otherwise.
I heard kids voices outside and there were three small Hispanic kids gathered around my parked truck looking at the decals on the back window.
They were decals of all the South Park kids as they stand at the bus stop.
The little kids were trying to remember their names as they pointed to each one.

I took the personal meaning of this message God sent to me and put those thoughts away forever.
You are never really alone.
 
lefty louie said:
I'm only an asshole on issues that aren't life ending.

This topic can be deadly and not knowing the OP I thought it was the least I could do to offer up a person to person conversation. The fact that you acknowledged my offer and he/she didn't tells me enough about the person.

Being human is not party specific, it crosses all walks and talks. Peace.
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...and peace be to you as well.
 
hado117 said:
If you were trying to convince someone ,to not commit suicide, what argument would you use? or what advice?
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You do what you want but I am having a great time.

Maybe you could too.
 
hado117 said:
how can you have a great time , while someone is contemplating suicide?
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Somewhere someone around the world is contemplating suicide, thousands of others starving to death or worse, people are still being used as slaves, and you think you have problems. Man, you've got the world by the short hairs, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back in the game.

The problem some people have is they expect the world to stop because they stubbed their toe again. **** happens, get on with life, do what you'll do but stop standing in my light.

If you need real help, the numbers are listed, stop bitching about others having fun.
 
hado117 said:
update.. i'm going to tell the person that small frostys are selling for .50 cents at wendys. this might help. for a limited time only though
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Are you serous?
 
PleasantValley said:
...because it is not.
No logic to it.

It is not the same thing as grabbing a bomb on a plane and jumping out with it.
That is honorable and logical to the one who chooses to do it.

Choosing to end your life over some drama is not logical and a waste of a life.
Drama will always be around.

I say this because i have been there.
So deep in despair ending it all seemed the best way to stop the helplessness.

Then God sent three little angels who showed me otherwise.
I heard kids voices outside and there were three small Hispanic kids gathered around my parked truck looking at the decals on the back window.
They were decals of all the South Park kids as they stand at the bus stop.
The little kids were trying to remember their names as they pointed to each one.

I took the personal meaning of this message God sent to me and put those thoughts away forever.
You are never really alone.
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Cool story. I'm glad you got through that bad period in your life.

I have to disagree with you about suicide is never logical. In cases of relentless, incurable pain, it would make a lot of sense to me. Also, some diseases are long, painful death sentences. At some point on that path, suicide may make sense for some.

However, if it's just based on a temporary problem or a completely emotional response, no, it's not at all logical.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Cool story. I'm glad you got through that bad period in your life.

I have to disagree with you about suicide is never logical. In cases of relentless, incurable pain, it would make a lot of sense to me. Also, some diseases are long, painful death sentences. At some point on that path, suicide may make sense for some.

However, if it's just based on a temporary problem or a completely emotional response, no, it's not at all logical.
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We are in agreement on this too.
I could see a bullet to the head, on your own terms, would be better than some alternatives.

Rudyard Kipling saw that too...

"If you lie wounded on some of Afghanistan's plains,
and you see the women coming over to chop up your remains,
just roll over on your side and blow out your brains,
and go out like a soldier".
 
hado117 said:
how can you have a great time , while someone is contemplating suicide?
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I was talking about life, not a few minutes or hours or days I decide to devote to this hypothetical person I know who wants to leave. I would say that I love life and that I would hope that they could find something to love about life as well and there are people to see who can help but then I would say "but if you are not interested I understand...so long".

Did the communication take this time?
 
It sounds nasty, but I witnessed a fellow yelling at his sister as she held a shotgun in her mouth, "Damn you, you're creating another mess for someone else to clean up!" She put down the shotgun.

I'm certainly not saying this is a universal answer to the OP's question, but Louie was right. Without knowing the circumstances, no one can offer a realistic response. Each person is unique, each set of perceived problems unique. And scientists have suggested, at times, a neurological issue can cause suicide. It may not be a psychological or emotional issue.

On the other hand, there may be times when suicide is the rational choice. No one should try to stop an active serial killer from committing suicide.
 
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