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Vegitarians that don't eat meat because they don't want to kill an animal?

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Are they hypocrites? Someone posted that plants register reactions when being eaten by bugs, thus it would leed to believe that plants feel pain just like animals except they can't scream.

So, if true, are they hypocrites?
 
Only if the plant is Groot.
 
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Are they hypocrites? Someone posted that plants register reactions when being eaten by bugs, thus it would leed to believe that plants feel pain just like animals except they can't scream.

So, if true, are they hypocrites?

I don't know, but I went to google and you got me reading some pretty interesting stuff. Thanks!

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01...may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

The new research, he says, is in a field called plant neurobiology — which is something of a misnomer, because even scientists in the field don't argue that plants have neurons or brains.

"They have analagous structures," Pollan explains. "They have ways of taking all the sensory data they gather in their everyday lives ... integrate it and then behave in an appropriate way in response. And they do this without brains, which, in a way, is what's incredible about it, because we automatically assume you need a brain to process information."

And we assume you need ears to hear. But researchers, says Pollan, have played a recording of a caterpillar munching on a leaf to plants — and the plants react. They begin to secrete defensive chemicals — even though the plant isn't really threatened, Pollan says. "It is somehow hearing what is, to it, a terrifying sound of a caterpillar munching on its leaves."

Fascinating!
 
Are they hypocrites? Someone posted that plants register reactions when being eaten by bugs, thus it would leed to believe that plants feel pain just like animals except they can't scream.

So, if true, are they hypocrites?

I'm vegan and I don't think it's hypocritical to eat plants but not animal products. Plants do react to different stimuli but not "just like animals." My rule is -- if it runs away when I stab it with a fork, I won't eat it.
 
There is a difference between reacting to stimuli and consciously feeling pain. Plants certainly react to stimuli but there is no evidence they are sentient. Hell, insects probably aren’t sentient.

All living things react to their environment. And so do many of the machines we make. But suffering requires consciousness as far as we can tell.
 
Hypocrisy would not apply to the question as asked since plant based food can be harvested without killing the plant.
 
i'm currently not eating meat. i don't see a lot of alternatives to eating plant-based food. either way, our realm is a violent one. we're one of the few species on this planet that generally isn't at risk of being eaten on an average day.
 
Are they hypocrites? Someone posted that plants register reactions when being eaten by bugs, thus it would leed to believe that plants feel pain just like animals except they can't scream.

So, if true, are they hypocrites?

Not all vegetarians are motivated by sentimentality for animals. Some are motivated by health concerns. Some are motivated by distaste for meat, all kinds of meat including fish and dairy products. Some vegetarians allow animal by products in their diet, like dairy and unfertilized eggs. Some will not eat earth meats but will consume water meats. Some are motivated by religious reasons, more likely for those that are have beliefs of reincarnation. Some religions have beliefs of sacred animals, and won't ear their meats. Some prefer long pork to other animals. Yet long pork is frowned on by the balance of the dominant cultures. You are long pork, I am long pork.
 
Hypocrisy would not apply to the question as asked since plant based food can be harvested without killing the plant.


I can have leg of Lamb without killing the Lamb.
 
I'm vegan and I don't think it's hypocritical to eat plants but not animal products. Plants do react to different stimuli but not "just like animals." My rule is -- if it runs away when I stab it with a fork, I won't eat it.

Star fish and most fish in general can't scream. We're assuming the plants don't feel pain of some sort. Of course for this argument I'm also assuming they can feel pain but I thinking you get where I'm coming from.
 
I'm vegan and I don't think it's hypocritical to eat plants but not animal products. Plants do react to different stimuli but not "just like animals." My rule is -- if it runs away when I stab it with a fork, I won't eat it.

A steak doesn't run away and not having the ability to run away when alive seems to be a pretty arbitrary standard.
 
There is a difference between reacting to stimuli and consciously feeling pain. Plants certainly react to stimuli but there is no evidence they are sentient. Hell, insects probably aren’t sentient.

All living things react to their environment. And so do many of the machines we make. But suffering requires consciousness as far as we can tell.

Did you see the article I posted? Besides it being super interesting it shows that it's more than reacting to stimuli, that there actually are indications of pain reactions.
 
Hypocrisy would not apply to the question as asked since plant based food can be harvested without killing the plant.

Well, eating it kinda puts an end to the "not killing the plant" part.
 
i'm currently not eating meat. i don't see a lot of alternatives to eating plant-based food. either way, our realm is a violent one. we're one of the few species on this planet that generally isn't at risk of being eaten on an average day.

There have been advancements in making meat grown in labs.
 
There have been advancements in making meat grown in labs.

i've read a little about it, and it doesn't surprise me. i spent ten years of my career in research doing tissue culture work.
 
Are they hypocrites? Someone posted that plants register reactions when being eaten by bugs, thus it would leed to believe that plants feel pain just like animals except they can't scream.

So, if true, are they hypocrites?

I haven't eaten beef or pork in 30 years, it has nothing to do with killing animals.

Stop making stupid generalizations.
 
I haven't eaten beef or pork in 30 years, it has nothing to do with killing animals.

Stop making stupid generalizations.

My wife can't tell me what to do, what makes you think I'll hear you, screw off.
 
i've read a little about it, and it doesn't surprise me. i spent ten years of my career in research doing tissue culture work.

I dunno if I could do it. I mean, intellectually I can think that it's all fine and stuff but my instinctive gut response would be creeped out.
 
I haven't eaten beef or pork in 30 years, it has nothing to do with killing animals.

Stop making stupid generalizations.

Then it's not about you. It's pretty obvious the OP was about those who don't eat meat out of a moral ideology w/regard to killing animals for food.
 
This is a life choice for each individual.

I am not a vegetarian but I eat a lot of the things vegetarians eat.

I eat meat because it makes me feel good. A diet without meat no matter how you try to substitute the protein makes me feel sickly.

To feel good I need red meat at least once a week, poultry and fish each at least once a week. I need dairy and eggs too! But I also incorporate a lot of veggies and fruits into my diet. Most times the veggies and fruit by volume is much greater than the portion of meat.

I save the leg of lamb, prime rib, steaks etc for special holidays/birthdays etc. It isn't something we eat on a regular basis. Instead weekly a piece of sirloin will be turned into stew. A couple of chicken breasts will be turned into a stir fry full of veggies.
Yes I need meat to feel good.
 
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