Do you have any peer reviewed studies that support your claims here?
Strong vegans are an anomoly and you have to eat unnaturally to get the protien you need. show me a vegan powerlifter and I'll show you a stronger omnivore power lifter.
What sad is the arrogant views most vegans have. Drop us both on a desserted island and they'll stop being vegans pretty fast or die. It is not the natural state of man to not be omnivorous.
our entire society was built on and by omnivores it is the comfort off of thier backs that vegans and vegetarians can survive. It's an unnatural state.
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.
That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.
You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.
I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.
Addicts like their "fix." I get it.
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.
That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.
You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.
I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.
Addicts like their "fix." I get it.
I guess steroids are vegan........
Sure there is, our bodies require good fats and other nutrients that come from meat.
If having to eat steamed broccoli all my life, I wouldn't want to live longer.
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.
That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.
You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.
I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.
Addicts like their "fix." I get it.
Barny was an omnivore for most of his life. Twice he was prevented from competing after blood tests showed steroid use. He claimed the steroids were treatment for an ear infection. Possible. But still disqualified.
Statistics show similar lifespans for both omnivores and vegans, at most a mean difference of 18 months in favor of vegans, but vegans show greater propensity for early deaths from pancreatic cancer and other pancreatic diseases, as well as from other diabetic complications. Steve Jobs was a vegan who died from pancreatic cancer at age 51. The benefit for vegans in lifespan is often ameliorated by lower quality end lives. Rather than quicker deaths, deaths that are prolonged.
There is no evidence linking dementia to diets rich in meat consumption.
Apparently, insufficient amounts of specific proteins created by a compound produced by gut bacteria in ungulates shows a far greater link to causes of dementia and certain cancers. And introduction of those trace proteins is showing to be a quality therapy for halting some dementia problems, and even reversing the process. A specific gene found in some beef produces a compound that does appear to be linked to some inner organ cancers, like a specific stomach cancer, however, current research is conflicting. And cattle breeders are commencing programs to eliminate the offending gene. The only proven cause and effect favoring a vegan diet is slower progress of macular degeneration later in life among family members who suffer from macular degeneration.
There is anthropological justification for eating meat. Compared to gatherers, hunters found calories from meat to be far less expensive when measuring caloric expenditures. Evidence is beginning to show the genetic deviance which allowed mankind to consume grasses like wheat, did more harm that eating meat.
The silent killer, diabetes is not linked to meat consumption, but it is linked to consumption of carbohydrates. As much as 70% of the human population may have historically suffered from undiagnosed forms of diabetes, keeping in mind diabetes as a disease is only a label for many other specific undiagnosed issues for humanity that are all similar symptomatically. Neither cancer or diabetes are one disease, but many with umbrella groupings because of similar symptoms. One of the reasons cures for both are elusive.
U The Island of Sardinia is one of the pockets of relative longevity past age 100. As is often found with populations enjoying longevity past 100 years, they are meat eaters. No one is suggesting that their longevity is because they are meat eaters. They only suggest how little we know about diet and longevity. Most of the Sardinians living beyond 100, point to consumption of local wines as the source of their longevity, and active sex lives. The Dalai Lama makes a point of enjoying meat at least three times each week. He also enjoys a chocolate glazed donut occasionally.
I don't think living longer is really worse than diabetes and heart disease. And sure, some vegans are going to get cancer, they still can't avoid all the environmental poisons and chemicals. But, by and large, they are healthier, smarter and stronger.
Plus, the biggie -- animals don't perish for them to eat. That one really tops all the rest.
I'm vegan and I don't think it's hypocritical to eat plants but not animal products. Plants do react to different stimuli but not "just like animals." My rule is -- if it runs away when I stab it with a fork, I won't eat it.
what would creep you out about it?
A steak in its "original state" will most definitely run away if you poke it with a fork.
The only cure for that is maturity.
It's not an intellectual type of thing. Just some weird instinctual aversion to the idea of eating meat that was grown in a lab. Maybe it's the unnatural aspect of it and then eating it? Dunno...it's why I said it was a gut-response.
I know vegetarians out there who do it for their health.
Right, which is why I also said that the ability to run away is an arbitrary standard.
fair enough.
i'd probably give it a shot. i've eaten many hamburgers made out of soybeans / mushrooms, and it's close enough. my guess is that the tissue culture variant will be, too, but i'm currently having a bit of a meat aversion, so i'll stick with Quorn and Morning Star for the time being.
I know vegetarians out there who do it for their health.
Ugh -- I won't eat steamed broccoli either.
Honestly, though, I get more protein now (and my body absorbs it better) than I did years ago when I ate meat. I eat most of the things you eat -- just vegetarian versions. Tonight we're having lasagna, garlic bread, salad, corn on the cob and Italian cake for dessert. I don't go hungry.
And, I don't do broccoli.
Those are good options. Quorn also makes a good turkey substitute. Roasts in the oven for just 50 minutes and tastes very close to turkey. Great for eating with taters and gravy or using leftovers for sandwiches. Try it, I think you'll like it.
fair enough.
i'd probably give it a shot. i've eaten many hamburgers made out of soybeans / mushrooms, and it's close enough. my guess is that the tissue culture variant will be, too, but i'm currently having a bit of a meat aversion, so i'll stick with Quorn and Morning Star for the time being.
I'm the opposite. This is more like me.
I do it for my health and also because I refuse to be a part of an industry that raises animals for slaughter.
But, that's just me.