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Vegitarians that don't eat meat because they don't want to kill an animal?

I will come clean...
I eat meat everyday.
If there's a bug in my meat I eat it too.
 
Do you have any peer reviewed studies that support your claims here?



Strong vegans are an anomoly and you have to eat unnaturally to get the protien you need. show me a vegan powerlifter and I'll show you a stronger omnivore power lifter.

Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.

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What sad is the arrogant views most vegans have. Drop us both on a desserted island and they'll stop being vegans pretty fast or die. It is not the natural state of man to not be omnivorous.

That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.


our entire society was built on and by omnivores it is the comfort off of thier backs that vegans and vegetarians can survive. It's an unnatural state.

You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.

I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.

Addicts like their "fix." I get it.
 
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.

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I guess steroids are vegan........


That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.


Sure there is, our bodies require good fats and other nutrients that come from meat.



You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.

I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.

Addicts like their "fix." I get it.


If having to eat steamed broccoli all my life, I wouldn't want to live longer.


Long term vegetarian diet changes human DNA raising risk of cancer and heart disease
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
 
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.

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That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.

You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.

I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.

Addicts like their "fix." I get it.

Barny was an omnivore for most of his life. Twice he was prevented from competing after blood tests showed steroid use. He claimed the steroids were treatment for an ear infection. Possible. But still disqualified.

Statistics show similar lifespans for both omnivores and vegans, at most a mean difference of 18 months in favor of vegans, but vegans show greater propensity for early deaths from pancreatic cancer and other pancreatic diseases, as well as from other diabetic complications. Steve Jobs was a vegan who died from pancreatic cancer at age 51. The benefit for vegans in lifespan is often ameliorated by lower quality end lives. Rather than quicker deaths, deaths that are prolonged.

There is no evidence linking dementia to diets rich in meat consumption. Apparently, insufficient amounts of specific proteins created by a compound produced by gut bacteria in ungulates shows a far greater link to causes of dementia and certain cancers. And introduction of those trace proteins is showing to be a quality therapy for halting some dementia problems, and even reversing the process. A specific gene found in some beef produces a compound that does appear to be linked to some inner organ cancers, like a specific stomach cancer, however, current research is conflicting. And cattle breeders are commencing programs to eliminate the offending gene. The only proven cause and effect favoring a vegan diet is slower progress of macular degeneration later in life among family members who suffer from macular degeneration.

There is anthropological justification for eating meat. Compared to gatherers, hunters found calories from meat to be far less expensive when measuring caloric expenditures. Evidence is beginning to show the genetic deviance which allowed mankind to consume grasses like wheat, did more harm that eating meat. The silent killer, diabetes is not linked to meat consumption, but it is linked to consumption of carbohydrates. As much as 70% of the human population may have historically suffered from undiagnosed forms of diabetes, keeping in mind diabetes as a disease is only a label for many other specific undiagnosed issues for humanity that are all similar symptomatically. Neither cancer or diabetes are one disease, but many with umbrella groupings because of similar symptoms. One of the reasons cures for both are elusive.

Ultimately, we know far too little about nutrition, the effects of specific foods, and combinations of different foods. All we have are estimated guesses based on observations. If a specific diet regimen pleases you, by all means carry on, but do not suggest what is good for you is good for all others. We don't know enough, nor do you, to make anyone's dietary theories an absolute. The Island of Sardinia is one of the pockets of relative longevity past age 100. As is often found with populations enjoying longevity past 100 years, they are meat eaters. No one is suggesting that their longevity is because they are meat eaters. They only suggest how little we know about diet and longevity. Most of the Sardinians living beyond 100, point to consumption of local wines as the source of their longevity, and active sex lives. The Dalai Lama makes a point of enjoying meat at least three times each week. He also enjoys a chocolate glazed donut occasionally.
 
I guess steroids are vegan........





Sure there is, our bodies require good fats and other nutrients that come from meat.






If having to eat steamed broccoli all my life, I wouldn't want to live longer.

Ugh -- I won't eat steamed broccoli either.

Honestly, though, I get more protein now (and my body absorbs it better) than I did years ago when I ate meat. I eat most of the things you eat -- just vegetarian versions. Tonight we're having lasagna, garlic bread, salad, corn on the cob and Italian cake for dessert. I don't go hungry.

And, I don't do broccoli.
 
Barny du Plessis. Mr. Universe 2014. Vegan.

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Not a lifetime vegan, and roided up. Doubt you look even close.

That's not accurate. You'd more likely be eating berries and leaves than anything else there. But, that's not my point -- I specifically said "if there is plenty of other food available," there's not really any justification for eating meat.

Sure there is, it tastes good, your body needs protein, if we didn't eat it we would have never evolved these brains and there is no reason not to eat it.

You were just shown that your claim is inaccurate.

I don't care if you eat meat. Statistically, you'll die sooner than a vegetarian will, and you'll be more likely to develop dementia, cancer and other diseases. But, it's your choice, after all.

Addicts like their "fix." I get it.

How polite, you certainly don't have an axe to grind. :roll:

Don't be mad that no one wants to eat your tofu bull**** that tastes like sadness. Bacon FTDUB!
 
Barny was an omnivore for most of his life. Twice he was prevented from competing after blood tests showed steroid use. He claimed the steroids were treatment for an ear infection. Possible. But still disqualified.

Statistics show similar lifespans for both omnivores and vegans, at most a mean difference of 18 months in favor of vegans, but vegans show greater propensity for early deaths from pancreatic cancer and other pancreatic diseases, as well as from other diabetic complications. Steve Jobs was a vegan who died from pancreatic cancer at age 51. The benefit for vegans in lifespan is often ameliorated by lower quality end lives. Rather than quicker deaths, deaths that are prolonged.

I don't think living longer is really worse than diabetes and heart disease. And sure, some vegans are going to get cancer, they still can't avoid all the environmental poisons and chemicals. But, by and large, they are healthier, smarter and stronger.

Plus, the biggie -- animals don't perish for them to eat. That one really tops all the rest.

There is no evidence linking dementia to diets rich in meat consumption.

Actually, there is:
"• The most important dietary link to AD appears to be meat consumption, with eggs and high-fat dairy also contributing. •"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27454859

Apparently, insufficient amounts of specific proteins created by a compound produced by gut bacteria in ungulates shows a far greater link to causes of dementia and certain cancers. And introduction of those trace proteins is showing to be a quality therapy for halting some dementia problems, and even reversing the process. A specific gene found in some beef produces a compound that does appear to be linked to some inner organ cancers, like a specific stomach cancer, however, current research is conflicting. And cattle breeders are commencing programs to eliminate the offending gene. The only proven cause and effect favoring a vegan diet is slower progress of macular degeneration later in life among family members who suffer from macular degeneration.

Not sure about the cattle-breeding thing, or macular degeneration, but many other diseases are linked to meat consumption, especially red meat consumption, often due to the saturated fat present in meat.

There is anthropological justification for eating meat. Compared to gatherers, hunters found calories from meat to be far less expensive when measuring caloric expenditures. Evidence is beginning to show the genetic deviance which allowed mankind to consume grasses like wheat, did more harm that eating meat.

You're getting off track into agricultural practices. Most hunter/gatherers survived on the animals they were lucky enough to kill, but their main source of food was berries, leaves and roots.

But let's be honest, what cave men did isn't really relevant to the topic of whether it's healthier to be a meat eater or a non-meat eater. Cave men also didn't bathe, they didn't have a developed language and they pretty much raped and killed whatever got in their path. There is also evidence some were cannibals. Should we do those things as well? "Cavemen did it so it's good" is not a legit argument.


The silent killer, diabetes is not linked to meat consumption, but it is linked to consumption of carbohydrates. As much as 70% of the human population may have historically suffered from undiagnosed forms of diabetes, keeping in mind diabetes as a disease is only a label for many other specific undiagnosed issues for humanity that are all similar symptomatically. Neither cancer or diabetes are one disease, but many with umbrella groupings because of similar symptoms. One of the reasons cures for both are elusive.

Correct, low-carb diets are better for diabetics. But, their pancreases are already compromised. A healthy individual has no need for that type of a diet.

U The Island of Sardinia is one of the pockets of relative longevity past age 100. As is often found with populations enjoying longevity past 100 years, they are meat eaters. No one is suggesting that their longevity is because they are meat eaters. They only suggest how little we know about diet and longevity. Most of the Sardinians living beyond 100, point to consumption of local wines as the source of their longevity, and active sex lives. The Dalai Lama makes a point of enjoying meat at least three times each week. He also enjoys a chocolate glazed donut occasionally.

I like chocolate donuts, too. But, only occasionally - -and only vegan ones.
 
I don't think living longer is really worse than diabetes and heart disease. And sure, some vegans are going to get cancer, they still can't avoid all the environmental poisons and chemicals. But, by and large, they are healthier, smarter and stronger.

Plus, the biggie -- animals don't perish for them to eat. That one really tops all the rest.

I can go toe to toe with you, with easily verified facts based on scientific research, but it won't accomplish anything. You don't know what causes diabetes and you don't know what causes arterial heart disease. Cut the BS. No one knows. All we have are educated guesses.

I'm glad you are happy doing whatever you are doing. Do not proselytize to anyone else, you could be killing, murdering other people with your views.

Medical scientific research now disclaims the fault of saturated fats for the plaque on arterial walls. Instead they blame carbs and blood sugars. That still doesn't make them right because they are still of a mindset responding to symptoms not causes. And for all you really know, we are supposed to poison and destroy this planet as we evolve and push ourselves to the stars. My theory is as good as any other. You cannot prove otherwise, and I say you are holding us back from out destiny as a species. Prove I'm wrong if you can.

BTW, living longer with a low quality of life is criminal to oneself. Death with dignity is of greater value to the dying than endless pain and ignorance of the world around us.
 
I'm vegan and I don't think it's hypocritical to eat plants but not animal products. Plants do react to different stimuli but not "just like animals." My rule is -- if it runs away when I stab it with a fork, I won't eat it.

You cook really rare. Sorry just had to
 
what would creep you out about it?

It's not an intellectual type of thing. Just some weird instinctual aversion to the idea of eating meat that was grown in a lab. Maybe it's the unnatural aspect of it and then eating it? Dunno...it's why I said it was a gut-response.
 
A steak in its "original state" will most definitely run away if you poke it with a fork.

Right, which is why I also said that the ability to run away is an arbitrary standard.
 
It's not an intellectual type of thing. Just some weird instinctual aversion to the idea of eating meat that was grown in a lab. Maybe it's the unnatural aspect of it and then eating it? Dunno...it's why I said it was a gut-response.

fair enough.

i'd probably give it a shot. i've eaten many hamburgers made out of soybeans / mushrooms, and it's close enough. my guess is that the tissue culture variant will be, too, but i'm currently having a bit of a meat aversion, so i'll stick with Quorn and Morning Star for the time being.
 
I know vegetarians out there who do it for their health.
 
fair enough.

i'd probably give it a shot. i've eaten many hamburgers made out of soybeans / mushrooms, and it's close enough. my guess is that the tissue culture variant will be, too, but i'm currently having a bit of a meat aversion, so i'll stick with Quorn and Morning Star for the time being.

Those are good options. Quorn also makes a good turkey substitute. Roasts in the oven for just 50 minutes and tastes very close to turkey. Great for eating with taters and gravy or using leftovers for sandwiches. Try it, I think you'll like it.
 
I wonder how many animals are killed every year by trucks, that are carrying vegetables from where they are grown, to where vegetarians live?
 
Ugh -- I won't eat steamed broccoli either.

Honestly, though, I get more protein now (and my body absorbs it better) than I did years ago when I ate meat. I eat most of the things you eat -- just vegetarian versions. Tonight we're having lasagna, garlic bread, salad, corn on the cob and Italian cake for dessert. I don't go hungry.

And, I don't do broccoli.





Well your food is what my food eats. ;)
 
Those are good options. Quorn also makes a good turkey substitute. Roasts in the oven for just 50 minutes and tastes very close to turkey. Great for eating with taters and gravy or using leftovers for sandwiches. Try it, I think you'll like it.

i will. thanks for the recommendation.
 
fair enough.

i'd probably give it a shot. i've eaten many hamburgers made out of soybeans / mushrooms, and it's close enough. my guess is that the tissue culture variant will be, too, but i'm currently having a bit of a meat aversion, so i'll stick with Quorn and Morning Star for the time being.

I'm the opposite. This is more like me.

 
I wanted to give your post, Fishking, at least a dozen likes.
 
I'm the opposite. This is more like me.



i've only tried one kind of meatless bacon strips. it was probably the poorest meat substitute that i've had. it was like eating a ceramic two dimensional cartoon sculpture of bacon. maybe i just overcooked it.

as for lab grown bacon, i would probably eat it. for that matter, i could actually work in the lab. i'd most likely be a top candidate. i prefer my current job, but i'd do tissue culture again.
 
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