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Vegitarians that don't eat meat because they don't want to kill an animal?

Fishking said:
Then it's not about you. It's pretty obvious the OP was about those who don't eat meat out of a moral ideology w/regard to killing animals for food.
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The OP was making stupid generalizations about vegitarians. Not all have any problems with animals dying.
 
lefty louie said:
Bring something real to the table, not just your hurt feelings.
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I did. I don't eat red meat, has nothing to do with animal suffering. I know plenty of vegetarians and vegans who are the same.

You made a stupid generalization, predictably, you got butthurt when posters here disagreed with you.
 
Fishking said:
Does it come with a coating of supplements that give me patience for those who don't deserve it?
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It would seem that you need it.:lamo
 
Fishking said:
I dunno if I could do it. I mean, intellectually I can think that it's all fine and stuff but my instinctive gut response would be creeped out.
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what would creep you out about it?
 
Helix said:
what would creep you out about it?
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Exactly, find a good veg restaurant, and go eat there, if its good, its good, you don't always need meat.
 
beefheart said:
Exactly, find a good veg restaurant, and go eat there, if its good, its good, you don't always need meat.
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some people might be a put off by lab grown meat. i was trying to figure out what the creep out point is specifically.
 
lefty louie said:
Star fish and most fish in general can't scream. We're assuming the plants don't feel pain of some sort. Of course for this argument I'm also assuming they can feel pain but I thinking you get where I'm coming from.
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"Screaming" isn't my test of whether or not to partake of the food -- trying to escape, is.

As far as plants "feeling pain," I don't think so, at least not on the same level as a creature with a beating heart, eyes, a brain, and the ability to live autonomously. At a cellular level, however, it would not surprise me that plants respond to stimuli - just by observing them we know that they take steps to rectify injuries, such as a tree forming a "scab" over a cut off limb as it grows.

It's fascinating to observe the way the rest of nature works, and, to be sure, we should respect all living things, but there is no real comparison between harvesting the grain from a dried stalk of wheat and slaughtering the newborn offspring of a dairy cow while its mother bawls to be reunited with her calf. No intelligent comparison that is.

Everyone has to make their own decision, of course, but I made mine years ago -- I will not lend by support, via my purchases, to an industry that raises animals for slaughter.

I'm healthier and happier as a result. While many around me stuff their faces with hormone-fed meats and mucus-laced milk that contains mucus, I consume vegetable sources of protein and avoid animal products and processed foods. I haven't been sick in years -- literally. I have more endurance, can run farther, and even lift more weight than I could in my teens.

Enjoy your steak if it makes you happy. I'll enjoy my health.
 
X Factor said:
Hypocrisy would not apply to the question as asked since plant based food can be harvested without killing the plant.
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Kinda like harvesting your extremities for food but keep you alive hoping to regenerate the harvested limbs?

On another note, corn is harvested in the fall and then the ground is plowed over and either replanted or another variety of plant is seeded. Corn is pretty much a one time shot. I toured a pineapple plantation in Costa Rica and learned that they get two growths from an initial planting of pineapple and then there is no more for that plant.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not all vegetarians are motivated by sentimentality for animals. Some are motivated by health concerns. Some are motivated by distaste for meat, all kinds of meat including fish and dairy products. Some vegetarians allow animal by products in their diet, like dairy and unfertilized eggs. Some will not eat earth meats but will consume water meats. Some are motivated by religious reasons, more likely for those that are have beliefs of reincarnation. Some religions have beliefs of sacred animals, and won't ear their meats. Some prefer long pork to other animals. Yet long pork is frowned on by the balance of the dominant cultures. You are long pork, I am long pork.
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Never had ‘long pork’ bacon?

Just long pork stew.


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Vegetarians can only survive because of the society created by people who eat meat.


Vegetarianism is not human nature and incompatible with the cycle of life on this planet.
 
HowardBThiname said:
"Screaming" isn't my test of whether or not to partake of the food -- trying to escape, is.

As far as plants "feeling pain," I don't think so, at least not on the same level as a creature with a beating heart, eyes, a brain, and the ability to live autonomously. At a cellular level, however, it would not surprise me that plants respond to stimuli - just by observing them we know that they take steps to rectify injuries, such as a tree forming a "scab" over a cut off limb as it grows.

It's fascinating to observe the way the rest of nature works, and, to be sure, we should respect all living things, but there is no real comparison between harvesting the grain from a dried stalk of wheat and slaughtering the newborn offspring of a dairy cow while its mother bawls to be reunited with her calf. No intelligent comparison that is.

Everyone has to make their own decision, of course, but I made mine years ago -- I will not lend by support, via my purchases, to an industry that raises animals for slaughter.

I'm healthier and happier as a result. While many around me stuff their faces with hormone-fed meats and mucus-laced milk that contains mucus, I consume vegetable sources of protein and avoid animal products and processed foods. I haven't been sick in years -- literally. I have more endurance, can run farther, and even lift more weight than I could in my teens.

Enjoy your steak if it makes you happy. I'll enjoy my health.
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Well isn't that convenient, a plant trying to escape? You need a better argument.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Vegetarians can only survive because of the society created by people who eat meat.


Vegetarianism is not human nature and incompatible with the cycle of life on this planet.
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That's incorrect.

Ancient societies have been both vegetarian or meat-eating, and the vegetarians of ancient Greece were quite prolific in architecture and design, and the development of infrastructure and a workable justice system.

The animal that most closely resembles the human in its physical digestive tract is the monkey, and, along with other primates, is mostly vegetarian.

Vegetarianism is natural to the human condition, and modern humans are realizing that it's the healthiest diet around.

A taste for meat, like a taste for alcohol, is habituating. Meat lovers don't want to give it up because they crave it. But, given the overwhelming health reasons not to eat meat -- there's just no logical way of defending the practice when other food is available.

Some of the world's greatest minds, like Da Vinci, were vegetarian, and today, Olympic athletes are showing the world how healthy and strong a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is.

Vegans and vegetarians not only live longer, they live better; they're less likely to suffer from cancer and heart disease.

If meat-eating was truly natural to the human body, those who ate meat would be stronger and healthier. But, that's not the case.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That's incorrect.

Ancient societies have been both vegetarian or meat-eating, and the vegetarians of ancient Greece were quite prolific in architecture and design, and the development of infrastructure and a workable justice system.

The animal that most closely resembles the human in its physical digestive tract is the monkey, and, along with other primates, is mostly vegetarian.

Vegetarianism is natural to the human condition, and modern humans are realizing that it's the healthiest diet around.

A taste for meat, like a taste for alcohol, is habituating. Meat lovers don't want to give it up because they crave it. But, given the overwhelming health reasons not to eat meat -- there's just no logical way of defending the practice when other food is available.

Some of the world's greatest minds, like Da Vinci, were vegetarian, and today, Olympic athletes are showing the world how healthy and strong a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is.

Vegans and vegetarians not only live longer, they live better; they're less likely to suffer from cancer and heart disease.

If meat-eating was truly natural to the human body, those who ate meat would be stronger and healthier. But, that's not the case.
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Do you have any peer reviewed studies that support your claims here?



Strong vegans are an anomoly and you have to eat unnaturally to get the protien you need. show me a vegan powerlifter and I'll show you a stronger omnivore power lifter.


What sad is the arrogant views most vegans have. Drop us both on a desserted island and they'll stop being vegans pretty fast or die. It is not the natural state of man to not be omnivorous.



our entire society was built on and by omnivores it is the comfort off of thier backs that vegans and vegetarians can survive. It's an unnatural state.
 
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