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What could she have done?

Lutherf said:
I don't mind feigning acquiescence as a way to distract your attacker but don't take it too far. Surviving means that you eliminated the threat. Just because you "survived" the rape or other assault doesn't mean the assailant is done with you.
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No offense, but thats spoken like someone that probably reasonably believes he has no concern of ever being the target of a violent sexual assault.
 
VanceMack said:
No offense, but thats spoken like someone that probably reasonably believes he has no concern of ever being the target of a violent sexual assault.
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Is it false? If they assaulted you once they could very well assault you again. If you're in a prison environment and you find yourself a victim of sexual assault you should consider eliminating them in the future. Do you think someone else is going to defend you or something? The guards are a lot of times the problem or lead to the problem, so don't count to that. You should get yourself a weapon and make sure it's on you. Period.
 
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VanceMack said:
Great sentiment. Now let me introduce you into this cool place we like to call 'the real world'....
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What I said is true. People like that in prison aren't going to just leave you alone.
 
Henrin said:
Is it false? If they assaulted you once they could very well assault you again. If you're in a prison environment and you find yourself a victim of sexual assault you should consider eliminating them in the future.
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I agree with the sentiment. And in prison there are certain tings you can do to minimize (not eliminate) risk. And I was only usig the instances of prison assault to bring the argument a little closer to home for men. But here are the real world statistics. Approx 321,500 people over the age of 12 will fall victim to a violent sexual assault every year. Thats one every 98 seconds. 1 in 10 of those rape victims annually are men. And while I completely agree with your sentiment re kill them all and let God sort them out, the reality is most wont be caught, let alone convicted.
 
Henrin said:
What I said is true. People like that in prison aren't going to just leave you alone.
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Depends on the circumstance. Sexual assault in prison isnt a given, but its also not uncommon. Sometimes its done just to break someone in...see how you respond. You WILL have to fight back..but maybe its in a day room or exercise room or work center or somewhere that is public and wont escalate to being dead. Because you can **** talk all you want...but if its one, its a group...and depending on how you respond you are likely to make yourself MORE of a target than make secure your safety.
 
VanceMack said:
I agree with the sentiment. And in prison there are certain tings you can do to minimize (not eliminate) risk. And I was only usig the instances of prison assault to bring the argument a little closer to home for men. But here are the real world statistics. Approx 321,500 people over the age of 12 will fall victim to a violent sexual assault every year. Thats one every 98 seconds. 1 in 10 of those rape victims annually are men. And while I completely agree with your sentiment re kill them all and let God sort them out, the reality is most wont be caught, let alone convicted.
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You're in prison with them in your situation. In that case you have to make sure your safety is taken care of one way or another. Everyone in there is a threat and people that have assaulted you are a target. It's up to the individual to decide how to deal with it and pretty much any way forward could fail and end up in another assault or death. I'm also fully aware of the statistics. If you take out the military and prisons those numbers go down a good bit too.
 
VanceMack said:
Depends on the circumstance. Sexual assault in prison isnt a given, but its also not uncommon. Sometimes its done just to break someone in...see how you respond. You WILL have to fight back..but maybe its in a day room or exercise room or work center or somewhere that is public and wont escalate to being dead. Because you can **** talk all you want...but if its one, its a group...and depending on how you respond you are likely to make yourself MORE of a target than make secure your safety.
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Again, no matter what you could be assaulted again. You have to decide for yourself how you will approach it. For me, I would hunt them down as that is just my style, but other people might find that unwise and maybe it is. :shrug:
 
Henrin said:
Again, no matter what you could be assaulted again. You have to decide for yourself how you will approach it. For me, I would hunt them down as that is just my style, but other people might find that unwise and maybe it is. :shrug:
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Ever actually BEEN in a prison?
 
I don't see where she could have done anything else except maybe have her hand on a canister of mace while walking alone in a parking garage. Don't know what the gun laws are in Sidney. Glad to see she got away.

Gosh as a parent and a grandparent this kind of stuff along with so many things makes your hair turn gray, constantly on your knees praying for their protection from evil.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=165

This article shows footage of a woman being stalked and attacked in Sydney. It's a quick, 20 second clip and doesn't show much but it does show the guy boxing her in and then attacking. She obviously does something (off camera) to get him to stop the attack but is there something she could have or should have done before the attack?
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Considering the quickness and the way it ended she didn't need to do anything. One it looks like they know each other as they enter together talking. It was about 1.5 seconds and he was booking it out of there.

I know Americans would want open carry for this, but one, whatever she did off camera needs to be shared to all women.

I know Americans won't accept this, but more sexual assaults are ended by a very legal that belong's in a purse. A can of hair spray in the eyes and he's useless for five six hours.

Years ago here, the British Columbia Justice Institute used to hold defense classes for women free of charge [they stopped because of a lack of interest]. The methods they taught were very simple and very, very effective. I know, I was employed as an attacker model. And yes I did get my ask kicked by a 95 lb woman.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Considering the quickness and the way it ended she didn't need to do anything. One it looks like they know each other as they enter together talking. It was about 1.5 seconds and he was booking it out of there.

I know Americans would want open carry for this, but one, whatever she did off camera needs to be shared to all women.

I know Americans won't accept this, but more sexual assaults are ended by a very legal that belong's in a purse. A can of hair spray in the eyes and he's useless for five six hours.

Years ago here, the British Columbia Justice Institute used to hold defense classes for women free of charge [they stopped because of a lack of interest]. The methods they taught were very simple and very, very effective. I know, I was employed as an attacker model. And yes I did get my ask kicked by a 95 lb woman.
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With this particular scenario I wouldn't focus on a gun as one of the best options. The attacker doesn't do anything which would warrant drawing on him until it's too late.

The primary thing to consider in this scenario is the importance of maintaining space. She's walking with the guy between her and the best escape route. That's problem #1. She heads deeper into the garage instead of heading out into more public space. That's problem #2.

She seems to have fended off the attack pretty well but I'm reasonably sure that she'd have preferred not being attacked at all.
 
Lutherf said:
With this particular scenario I wouldn't focus on a gun as one of the best options. The attacker doesn't do anything which would warrant drawing on him until it's too late.

The primary thing to consider in this scenario is the importance of maintaining space. She's walking with the guy between her and the best escape route. That's problem #1. She heads deeper into the garage instead of heading out into more public space. That's problem #2.

She seems to have fended off the attack pretty well but I'm reasonably sure that she'd have preferred not being attacked at all.
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Right on all counts

I distinctly got the impression they knew each other.
 
VanceMack said:
Unless you are Bille Jean Jack..an overt attack is likely to result in the woman getting her ass kicked as not. BUT...she probably would have a 50/50 shot. MOST perps arent expecting ANY response. I would be willing to bet thats why her attacker ran away.
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There have been studies that show any amount of resistance is actually better than nothing. Completed rapes are much less likely when someone actually fights back. I am looking for the study now.


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